gazoo Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I’ve not been sold on Tyree being worth a top 10 pick. But since we didn’t cut Casey Hayward, are actively hosting CBs, and thinking it’s possible coaches feel Dee Alford is ready to take it to the next level, it could mean we have something else in mind with our 1st pick. We will still draft a CB, maybe just not at 8. AS an Nielson are former lineman. Everything about this team seems to reflect a lineman’s attitude of power, playing to the whistle and strength up front. Why I think it could be Tyree. 6’6’, 271lbs with 35 5/8” long arms…..this is a really good start for an edge defender for what Nielson was doing in NO. His combine score was #2 for all edge players. He is really strong with a very good bull rush. He’s simply not going to get pushed around. We know he’s still got work to do to develop other pass rush moves, but this guy can play in a 4-3 front, a 3-4 front, he’s versatile and can move inside. This guys versatility is a really, really good fit for us. Another thing is we really don’t have a big DE to kick out with Grady and Onyemata. Ade is big, but he's not starter level. Grady has never played next to a wrecking ball like Onyemata, and Onyemata has never played next to a guy as talented as Grady. Grady will be freed up like never before to get to the QB and you add another top line DE with Grady and Onyemata and we likely can get to the QB plenty just rushing 4. In a 3-4 set you’ve got Kaden Elliss, AK47 and Carter. I still think CB is likely to be our top pick, but if TF feels Tyree is an excellent fit here, can help our pass rush from the DL, and still has upside with Nielson developing his natural gifts, it’s possible we grab him. NanoLedgerS, HASHBROWN3, Diesel_Bird and 11 others 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconofShadows Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I'd be fine with it but do t hink he makes it to 8. Sadly Van Ness will In play andhe should be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister pudding Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Tyree will be great. These aren't coverage sacks and can defend the run Mid-Nite-Toker, MD-FalconFan13, Killing Floor and 9 others 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampyMux12 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Tyree Wilson feels like this year's Trayvon Walker. He's going early... dirtybirds233, PokerSteve and Thiccolas Cage 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I don't like Tyree by himself, however I do think Nielsen can put him in the best spot to succeed. A few things I agree with regarding your assessment: 1. Nielsen can put some work in with him. 2. He would immediately be our most imposing, not biggest, Edge rusher. A few things I disagree with regarding your assessment: 1. Hayward is coming off an injury and on the last year of his deal. Mike Hughes is a ST player. Regardless of Alford taking it to the next level, this doesn't rule out CB at all. 2. Ta'Quon Graham played edge on occasion last year so you'll definitely see him in that spot as the big DE, especially in Base Flyin' In DC, TheRisen999, The Don™ and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artys Arryn Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 If Wilson is gone, LVN is not a bad consolation prize. Especially if Neilson is the dline guru he's supposed to be. gazoo and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, gazoo said: I’ve not been sold on Tyree being worth a top 10 pick. But since we didn’t cut Casey Hayward, are actively hosting CBs, and thinking it’s possible coaches feel Dee Alford is ready to take it to the next level, it could mean we have something else in mind with our 1st pick. AS an Nielson are former lineman. Everything about this team seems to reflect a lineman’s attitude of power, playing to the whistle and strength up front. Why I think it could be Tyree. 6’6’, 271lbs with 35 5/8” long arms…..this is a really good start for an edge defender for what Nielson was doing in NO. His combine score was #2 for all edge players. He is really strong with a very good bull rush. He’s simply not going to get pushed around. We know he’s still got work to do to develop other pass rush moves, but this guy can play in a 4-3 front, a 3-4 front, he’s versatile and can move inside. This guys versatility is a really, really good fit for us. Another thing is we really don’t have a big DE to kick out with Grady and Onyemata. Ade big, but he's not starter level IMO. Grady has never played next to a wrecking ball like Onemata, Grady will be freed up like never before to get to the QB and you add another top line DE with Grady and Onemata and we likely can get to the QB plenty just rushing 4. In a 3-4 set you’ve got Kaden Elliss and Carter. I still think CB is likely to be our top pick, but if TF feels Tyree is an excellent fit here, can help our pass rush from the DL, and still has upside with Nielson developing his natural gifts, it’s possible we grab him. Both he and Keion White best fit that ‘Cam Jordan mold’ I think our new DC wants. duckhoa, TheRisen999, gazoo and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, Vandy said: Both he and Keion White best fit the ‘Cam Jordan mold’ I think our new DC wants. I would agree with this. I did some research all the way back to 2017 when Nielsen joined the Saints and he always had a 6' 4" or above 270 lbs player on the edge. From Cam to Hendrickson to Granderson. However I do think Gonzalez and Keion is more beneficial than Tyree and Deonte Banks/Cam Smith. Of course that's all based on availability. Vandy and gazoo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 18 minutes ago, ATLFalcons11 said: I don't like Tyree by himself, however I do think Nielsen can put him in the best spot to succeed. A few things I agree with regarding your assessment: 1. Nielsen can put some work in with him. 2. He would immediately be our most imposing, not biggest, Edge rusher. A few things I disagree with regarding your assessment: 1. Hayward is coming off an injury and on the last year of his deal. Mike Hughes is a ST player. Regardless of Alford taking it to the next level, this doesn't rule out CB at all. 2. Ta'Quon Graham played edge on occasion last year so you'll definitely see him in that spot as the big DE, especially in Base Great point about Graham being versatile as well. I’m very high on Graham and think we’ll see the best he has this year. Grady was having a special year until TQ got hurt. There is a good reason for that, TQ is strong as an ox and was creating problems in the backfield. TQ had 8 QB hits (near sacks) in 11 games compared to Ebiketies 11 QB hits in 16 games. These QB hits show both players were very close to many more sacks. And that was with a secondary that was decimated by injury. TQ was really ballin when he went down. You put that monster on the edge with Grady and Onyemata and Elliss,Ebiketie or Carter and man could we bring pressure with just 4. ATLFalcons11, ATLskinjob, HASHBROWN3 and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 7 minutes ago, Vandy said: Both he and Keion White best fit the ‘Cam Jordan mold’ I think our new DC wants. As a former DL himself, and seeing how he used his DL in NO, I would agree. If you have a stout front it gives you way more options on what you are doing in the secondary. PokerSteve, Vandy and HASHBROWN3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconzfan4ever Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Wilson looks really slow off the snap to me on a lot of plays Tru2Atlanta404, ChickenBiscuit, flrybranch and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HASHBROWN3 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Love the upside to Tyree too. 8 is just an excellent spot for us. We’re going to get a good player. gazoo and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spongebob Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 NO has been picking long DEs. You could be on to something gazoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flrybranch Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Wilson at 8 worries me. He is big, strong and plays with effort. He is also the last to move on the line on most plays and it seems a lot of his big plays came from overpowering OT and OG that will never see an NFL roster. I think he will be a good to really good NFL player, just not sure he is worth the risk at 8. The Don™, TheeTKOBeatz, gazoo and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 6 minutes ago, falconzfan4ever said: Wilson looks really slow off the snap to me on a lot of plays If you are going off those highlights, he’s maintaining his gap against the run on many of those snaps, once he sees it’s a pass he takes off. So he’s not just teeing off most of those clips. That sack at 2:30 shows his burst PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconzfan4ever Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, gazoo said: If you are going off those highlights, he’s maintaining his gap against the run on many of those snaps, once he sees it’s a pass he takes off. So he’s not just teeing off most of those clips. That sack at 2:30 shows his burst That's a good point. Personally I really like Lukas Van Ness. Great size and speed, and his ability to convert speed to power jumps off the screen. Non-stop motor too, what he lacks is refined pass rush moves. I think he'd be a great prospect for Nielsen to coach up. ChickenBiscuit, Artys Arryn, gazoo and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalFalconFan Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 38 minutes ago, gazoo said: I’ve not been sold on Tyree being worth a top 10 pick. But since we didn’t cut Casey Hayward, are actively hosting CBs, and thinking it’s possible coaches feel Dee Alford is ready to take it to the next level, it could mean we have something else in mind with our 1st pick. AS an Nielson are former lineman. Everything about this team seems to reflect a lineman’s attitude of power, playing to the whistle and strength up front. Why I think it could be Tyree. 6’6’, 271lbs with 35 5/8” long arms…..this is a really good start for an edge defender for what Nielson was doing in NO. His combine score was #2 for all edge players. He is really strong with a very good bull rush. He’s simply not going to get pushed around. We know he’s still got work to do to develop other pass rush moves, but this guy can play in a 4-3 front, a 3-4 front, he’s versatile and can move inside. This guys versatility is a really, really good fit for us. Another thing is we really don’t have a big DE to kick out with Grady and Onyemata. Ade is big, but he's not starter level. Grady has never played next to a wrecking ball like Onemata, Grady will be freed up like never before to get to the QB and you add another top line DE with Grady and Onemata and we likely can get to the QB plenty just rushing 4. In a 3-4 set you’ve got Kaden Elliss and Carter. I still think CB is likely to be our top pick, but if TF feels Tyree is an excellent fit here, can help our pass rush from the DL, and still has upside with Nielson developing his natural gifts, it’s possible we grab him. Logical deduction. And I would be PERFECTLY FINE with that guy being drafted. There certainly does seem to be a premium on SIZE to these team builders of ours. Makes sense. gazoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 40 minutes ago, ATLFalcons11 said: I did some research all the way back to 2017 when Nielsen joined the Saints and he always had a 6' 4" or above 270 lbs player on the edge. From Cam to Hendrickson to Granderson. I think some of this has to do with stopping the run up front. Smaller DEs can really struggle in this area. Even Khalil Mack was a bit of a liability against the run in Buffalo, and he’s 6’3”, 267lbs. Nielson wants big boys on that line to impose our will on them. PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 We could very well take him but there's no way that we've made that call this soon and what we do in FA certainly is not an indicator of what we're going to do. Fontenot has been clear. These are separate matters. RING OF HONOR and celtiksage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RING OF HONOR Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 55 minutes ago, Vandy said: Both he and Keion White best fit the ‘Cam Jordan mold’ I think our new DC wants. I like White.....good size too....I see he's projected in the 2nd .....what do y'all think PokerSteve and Vandy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1221 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, gazoo said: I’ve not been sold on Tyree being worth a top 10 pick. But since we didn’t cut Casey Hayward, are actively hosting CBs, and thinking it’s possible coaches feel Dee Alford is ready to take it to the next level, it could mean we have something else in mind with our 1st pick. We will still draft a CB, maybe just not at 8. AS an Nielson are former lineman. Everything about this team seems to reflect a lineman’s attitude of power, playing to the whistle and strength up front. Why I think it could be Tyree. 6’6’, 271lbs with 35 5/8” long arms…..this is a really good start for an edge defender for what Nielson was doing in NO. His combine score was #2 for all edge players. He is really strong with a very good bull rush. He’s simply not going to get pushed around. We know he’s still got work to do to develop other pass rush moves, but this guy can play in a 4-3 front, a 3-4 front, he’s versatile and can move inside. This guys versatility is a really, really good fit for us. Another thing is we really don’t have a big DE to kick out with Grady and Onyemata. Ade is big, but he's not starter level. Grady has never played next to a wrecking ball like Onyemata, and Onyemata has never played next to a guy as talented as Grady. Grady will be freed up like never before to get to the QB and you add another top line DE with Grady and Onyemata and we likely can get to the QB plenty just rushing 4. In a 3-4 set you’ve got Kaden Elliss, AK47 and Carter. I still think CB is likely to be our top pick, but if TF feels Tyree is an excellent fit here, can help our pass rush from the DL, and still has upside with Nielson developing his natural gifts, it’s possible we grab him. Don't forget about Skoronski. You know we guys on here have been clamoring for a great offensive line for years. How easily we forget. FalconsFanSC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, hjerry said: We could very well take him but there's no way that we've made that call this soon and what we do in FA certainly is not an indicator of what we're going to do. Fontenot has been clear. These are separate matters. You don’t think we have our draft board set up yet? It doesn’t mean things couldn’t change, but it does mean they know exactly who they’ll take if he’s available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, SavedByGrace1221 said: Don't forget about Skoronski. You know we guys on here have been clamoring for a great offensive line for years. How easily we forget. If they think he can play LT at an elite level and that Matthews only has a couple more years left, he’s also a possibility. He’d start at LG until Matthews retires. SavedByGrace1221 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, gazoo said: You don’t think we have our draft board set up yet? It doesn’t mean things couldn’t change, but it does mean they know exactly who they’ll take if he’s available. No The final draft board won't be made until they have finished with all private visits, ie, the last two weeks before the draft Deciding on a pick this early is what bad GMs do celtiksage and duckhoa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 10 minutes ago, RING OF HONOR said: I like White.....good size too....I see he's projected in the 2nd .....what do y'all think Me thinks it’s looking like a late 1st/early 2nd perhaps…so if true, we’d likely have to trade up ….or better yet, trade down…for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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