primetime Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) If we don’t plan to trade for Lamar (FTR I don’t want us to) then I don’t see why we didn’t tag RT Kaleb. This is exactly what the tag is for - one more year look to see if he’s truely worth the money on an extension. The only thing we have going for us as a team is our run offence of which Kaleb is a huge part. Also gives us a year to draft or trade for his replacement (I’m assuming he is not already on the roster - no I’m not buying Mayfield as our eventual RT). With the money we have this year the Tag should have been a no brainer. Now we probably lose him and have to either draft his replacement (prefer to spend on D), trade for a player (this will cost and likely result in loss of run game production) or develop from existing players (not seeing this) Edited March 10 by primetime red falcon and Killing Floor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 He is 28 now and wasnt that nimble to begin with. I could see it but i think the longer they wait with him the least favorable for the team obviously. I really think they can find someone else. He was mediocre first few seasons now elite? I think its the system, henny looked better dalman also improved. Even the journeymen guys looked decent. PokerSteve, Mid-Nite-Toker, Chitown2ATL_Falcon and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 Just now, red falcon said: He is 28 now and wasnt that nimble to begin with. I could see it but i think the longer they wait with him the least favorable for the team obviously. I really think they can find someone else. He was mediocre first few seasons now elite? I think its the system, henny looked better dalman also improved. Even the journeymen guys looked decent. I hear you but decent won’t help us make playoffs. Our elite run offence was all we had last year and it was good for around 7 wins. Just maintain this and add some defensive pieces and better pass play thru Ridder and we could be playoff bound. But if our run game drops then we are no chance. Chitown2ATL_Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Just now, primetime said: I hear you but decent won’t help us make playoffs. Our elite run offence was all we had last year and it was good for around 7 wins. Just maintain this and add some defensive pieces and better pass play thru Ridder and we could be playoff bound. But if our run game drops then we are no chance. I definitely understand. You think the run gm falls due to one guy though? If it fell due to one guy i think it would be linstrom. Mid-Nite-Toker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 5 minutes ago, red falcon said: He is 28 now and wasnt that nimble to begin with. I could see it but i think the longer they wait with him the least favorable for the team obviously. I really think they can find someone else. He was mediocre first few seasons now elite? I think its the system, henny looked better dalman also improved. Even the journeymen guys looked decent. Our journeyman looked atrocious though. 9 minutes ago, primetime said: If we don’t plan to trade for Lamar (FTR I don’t want us to) then I don’t see why we didn’t tag RT Kaleb. This is exactly what the tag is for - one more year look to see if he’s truely worth the money on an extension. The only thing we have going for us as a team is our run offence of which Kaleb is a huge part. Also gives us a year to draft or trade for his replacement (I’m assuming he is not already on the roster - no I’m not buying Mayfield as our eventual RT). With the money we have this year the Tag should have been a no brainer. Now we probably lose him and have to either draft his replacement (prefer to spend on D), trade for a player (this will cost and likely result in loss of run game production) or develop from existing players (not seeing this) My guess is they already think they know what they have with him and don't need another year. They'll either like him enough to extend him or not like him and let him walk. primetime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Not to mention it picking up when pitts comes back. There should be less in the box, plus they need another wr threat. The offense needs balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 minute ago, Lornoth said: Our journeyman looked atrocious though. Who besides Mayfield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Just now, red falcon said: Who besides Mayfield? Everybody at LG besides Henn. They were all liabilities. primetime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Aurthers specialty is supposed to be OL. It would make sense that he believes he can coach someone up instead of overpaying for a talent he inherited. red falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 Just now, red falcon said: I definitely understand. You think the run gm falls due to one guy though? If it fell due to one guy i think it would be linstrom. There is a reason Kaleb graded so highly in PFF - he was a beast in run plays. I understand if we didn’t have the cash but we have more than enough in a pretty weak FA class. You get better by trading for better players than you currently have on your roster and not by letting good players go. I’m 100% not saying we should sign him long term - I’m saying play it safe and us the tag for another suck and see season. Continuity on the Oline is massive for our sustained success and Ridders development Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 minute ago, Lornoth said: Everybody at LG besides Henn. They were all liabilities. Wilkerson was decent also. The kid that played one gm Edoga or something like that wasnt atrocious either. ZoneOne01, Mid-Nite-Toker and primetime 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 Just now, red falcon said: Wilkerson was decent also. The kid that played one gm Edoga or something like that wasnt atrocious either. Wilkinson was ok but proved he couldn’t stay healthy. LG was an issue all year (maybe Henn is the answer) however I don’t want to add another issue to it by needing to find a RT also. Easy way to kill Ridder before he even gets going. Really thought this was a no brainer tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Just now, red falcon said: Wilkerson was decent also. The kid that played one gm Edoga or something like that wasnt atrocious either. You're misremembering. primetime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 minute ago, primetime said: Wilkinson was ok but proved he couldn’t stay healthy. LG was an issue all year (maybe Henn is the answer) however I don’t want to add another issue to it by needing to find a RT also. Easy way to kill Ridder before he even gets going. Really thought this was a no brainer tbh If it were a no brainer why havent they done it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, Lornoth said: You're misremembering. We had a top 5 rushing offense. Multiple guys plugged in at different times and was still highly effective. Not to mention a defense that stayed on the field forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 minute ago, red falcon said: We had a top 5 rushing offense. Multiple guys plugged in at different times and was still highly effective. Not to mention a defense that stayed on the field forever. And that was due to our LG journeyman? We literally had to run to the right almost all year because LG was so bad. And that's not even talking their pass blocking which was even worse. When Henny looks like an allstar it should tell you how bad the others were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 17 minutes ago, red falcon said: If it were a no brainer why havent they done it yet? Lol I have no idea hence the point of my post. I’m searching for some clarity myself because I don’t see the negatives in our current situation - only a win win for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachore Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 The declined his 5th year and decided not to tag him this year. It's because he isn't very good. Dirtier Bird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therawest Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 42 minutes ago, primetime said: If we don’t plan to trade for Lamar (FTR I don’t want us to) then I don’t see why we didn’t tag RT Kaleb. This is exactly what the tag is for - one more year look to see if he’s truely worth the money on an extension. The only thing we have going for us as a team is our run offence of which Kaleb is a huge part. Also gives us a year to draft or trade for his replacement (I’m assuming he is not already on the roster - no I’m not buying Mayfield as our eventual RT). With the money we have this year the Tag should have been a no brainer. Now we probably lose him and have to either draft his replacement (prefer to spend on D), trade for a player (this will cost and likely result in loss of run game production) or develop from existing players (not seeing this) We can also sign another free agent. Guy from San Fran comes to mind. Also, they may be confident they can sign a reasonable long term extension. Chris Lindstrom deal is probably holding things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 27 minutes ago, Lornoth said: And that was due to our LG journeyman? We literally had to run to the right almost all year because LG was so bad. And that's not even talking their pass blocking which was even worse. When Henny looks like an allstar it should tell you how bad the others were. They ran more to the left then you are acknowledging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 49 minutes ago, primetime said: I hear you but decent won’t help us make playoffs. Our elite run offence was all we had last year and it was good for around 7 wins. Just maintain this and add some defensive pieces and better pass play thru Ridder and we could be playoff bound. But if our run game drops then we are no chance. If they let McGary walk, then you can be sure they've made a thorough evaluation of what they would get from him at what he would cost and decided they can get just as good of production from some other RT for a significant savings. Even if it were just reasonably close, they would keep McGary for the continuity. But, they don't believe McGary has enough value for the dollars to keep him, pure and simple. Just because they have a lot of cap money, they're not just going to throw money at players they feel are replaceable. GANDI and red falcon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 5 minutes ago, red falcon said: They ran more to the left then you are acknowledging. A highlight video proves nothing. Though, if you really want to use it as your evidence, count the number of times Allg runs to the left of the center in this video. There's very few and half of them are when Henn was in there. Or even better, dissect the LG position specifically and dissect how he was used in those plays. It shows you what confidence AS has in our player there. Rewatch the games. LG was a mess without Henn in there. Wilkinson was below average in both aspects of the game and anyone else got punked on every game. Of course our run game can still be good with a player or two not being stars, but after all this time I would think the 'we don't need a good OL due to scheme' narrative would have sunken into Atlanta fans' heads as a myth. red falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 7 minutes ago, Lornoth said: A highlight video proves nothing. Though, if you really want to use it as your evidence, count the number of times Allg runs to the left of the center in this video. There's very few and half of them are when Henn was in there. Or even better, dissect the LG position specifically and dissect how he was used in those plays. It shows you what confidence AS has in our player there. Rewatch the games. LG was a mess without Henn in there. Wilkinson was below average in both aspects of the game and anyone else got punked on every game. Of course our run game can still be good with a player or two not being stars, but after all this time I would think the 'we don't need a good OL due to scheme' narrative would have sunken into Atlanta fans' heads as a myth. If you say so man. We will agree to disagree. I hope the running gm continues to grow next season along with the pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrthoPTSD Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Just being prudent with the money. They also want to get more athletic and not have to protect a RT on pure drop backs. I enjoyed the running game, but it doesnt win... anything. We got to have some balance on offense. This board is going to have a meltdown when they see how fast this cash goes. red falcon and Chitown2ATL_Falcon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirds233 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Because the tag would've cost over $18M. That's nearly 10% of the total cap for a guy that can't pass block 4 years into his career. red falcon, Dirtier Bird and Chitown2ATL_Falcon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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