Falcons decide not to tag Kaleb McGary, nor pursue Lamar Jackson per sources

[Vandy]

12 hours ago, Snafu said:

He was an elite run blocker and average pass blocker for 1 season...his contract season.

Lol.. What does that (contract year) mean to you, exactly? That’s such a bull crapola TAFT false narrative….do you guys really believe a player isn’t giving it his all except in his “contact year”? What about Kaleb’s character makes you believe that nonsense about him? Or that he’ll let up and quit trying so hard once he gets paid?

 

[Snafu]

52 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Lol.. What does that (contract year) mean to you, exactly? That’s such a bull crapola TAFT false narrative….do you guys really believe a player isn’t giving it his all except in his “contact year”? What about Kaleb’s character makes you believe that nonsense about him? Or that he’ll let up and quit trying so hard once he gets paid?

 

If you really presume that some players don't go all out in and push themselves harder in contract years than they did in the years before, only to let up after they get paid, then the conversation isn't even worth having.

It has nothing to do w/ character but rather with the human condition. As humans, when our *** is on the line, we push ourselves harder. And for some, once they have been handed a certain level of security, they ease off.

 

Do I think McGary has poor character? No.

Do I know that McGary and Lindstrom were taken in the same draft class and one hit the ground running by being a well above average RG for his entire NFL Tenure and is now considered probably the best RG in the NFL, while one took 5 years to even become an average player? Yes.

Do I find it troubling that McGary requires routine TE help and is still subpar in pass pro despite having the benefit of playing beside Lindstrom? Yes

 

 

If you want to drop $13-18M on McGary, that's your right, but I hope the rest of the Organization has moved past wanting to make these Dimitroff-esque roster moves.

[RazorWing]

My fear is. A team that is already a complete team that needs a qb. Will step up and get him. I'm thinking the 49ers. He will be lethal in Kyle Shanahans offense. They will became an unstoppable juggernaut.

[falconidae]

17 minutes ago, RazorWing said:

My fear is. A team that is already a complete team that needs a qb. Will step up and get him. I'm thinking the 49ers. He will be lethal in Kyle Shanahans offense. They will became an unstoppable juggernaut.

49ers can't trade for him, before the draft, they don't have a first rounder this year.

[Vandy]

1 hour ago, Snafu said:

If you really presume that some players don't go all out in and push themselves harder in contract years than they did in the years before, only to let up after they get paid, then the conversation isn't even worth having.

It has nothing to do w/ character but rather with the human condition. As humans, when our *** is on the line, we push ourselves harder. And for some, once they have been handed a certain level of security, they ease off.

 

Do I think McGary has poor character? No.

Do I know that McGary and Lindstrom were taken in the same draft class and one hit the ground running by being a well above average RG for his entire NFL Tenure and is now considered probably the best RG in the NFL, while one took 5 years to even become an average player? Yes.

Do I find it troubling that McGary requires routine TE help and is still subpar in pass pro despite having the benefit of playing beside Lindstrom? Yes

 

 

If you want to drop $13-18M on McGary, that's your right, but I hope the rest of the Organization has moved past wanting to make these Dimitroff-esque roster moves.

That’s fair, thanks for clarifying. FYI, I believe a random few players do, but nothing I’ve seen/heard about McGary indicates he’s one of them. You certainly haven’t offered anything compelling indicating he is other than a broad-stroke generalization of players in general. We’ll just agree to disagree on that one. 
 

FWIW, I don’t want to overpay for McGary either. Neither of us knows for sure, but my belief is last year was when everything clicked in for him. Not because of his contract year, but due to his natural progression as a player.

Where we differ most is my belief he’s more than just an “average player”, but instead a Top 5 RT in NFL, and as key to our OL as Lindstrom and Mathews are. I’d go $15M per, if he wants more than that, then I’d let him walk away in peace. 
 

As far as Dimitroff-esque contracts, he made some mistakes, they all do, but by far best GM in team history who by all rights should have a (arguably 2) ring. We can only hope TF ends up as good a GM as TD was. And the jury is still very much out on that one for Me. 

Selah

[Snafu]

6 minutes ago, Vandy said:

That’s fair, thanks for clarifying. 
 

FWIW, I don’t want to overpay for McGary either. Neither of us knows for sure, but my belief is last year was when everything clicked in for him. Not because of his contract year, but due to his natural progression as a player.

Where we differ most is my belief he’s more than just an “average player”, but instead a Top 5 RT in NFL, and as key to our OL as Lindstrom and Mathews are. I’d go $15M per, if he wants more than that, then I’d let him go in peace. 

Selah

I think we can both agree that he's a fantastic run blocker, but I don't believe AS actually wants to run the ball as much as we have been forced into lately. I'd like to keep him at around the $10M/Year mark, but I don't see him staying for that.

 

Either way, that's the beauty of the NFL. Different ppl interpret things in different ways. Good thing none of what we think matters a single bit.

[ChickenBiscuit]

6 hours ago, Snafu said:

If you really presume that some players don't go all out in and push themselves harder in contract years than they did in the years before, only to let up after they get paid, then the conversation isn't even worth having.

It has nothing to do w/ character but rather with the human condition. As humans, when our *** is on the line, we push ourselves harder. And for some, once they have been handed a certain level of security, they ease off.

 

Do I think McGary has poor character? No.

Do I know that McGary and Lindstrom were taken in the same draft class and one hit the ground running by being a well above average RG for his entire NFL Tenure and is now considered probably the best RG in the NFL, while one took 5 years to even become an average player? Yes.

Do I find it troubling that McGary requires routine TE help and is still subpar in pass pro despite having the benefit of playing beside Lindstrom? Yes

 

 

If you want to drop $13-18M on McGary, that's your right, but I hope the rest of the Organization has moved past wanting to make these Dimitroff-esque roster moves.

Tbf Lindstrom was rated pretty highly coming out of college, more so than any other guard IIRC. McGary was a first round talent, but I remember his scouting reports stating he was more of a rough prospect. I don’t think many expected him to be Lindstrom’s equal right out of the gate.

[ChickenBiscuit]

8 hours ago, Falcons_Frenzy said:

Because TF believes he isn't worth the price. Solid? More like mediocre.

If you needed a standard car and I had one for sale but it was $10,000 overpriced would you still want to buy it? If so, hit me up. 

That analogy doesn’t work. Tackles aren’t like cars, they aren’t made in factories and you can’t find a reliable one on every corner. Sounds good but your logic is backwards.

[Akod2017]

7 minutes ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

That analogy doesn’t work. Tackles aren’t like cars, they aren’t made in factories and you can’t find a reliable one on every corner. Sounds good but your logic is backwards.

As Snafu said we had little choice but to run more than AS wanted last year. Does McGary’s weakness hurt more with an adequate QB? Did playing next to the best RG in football help significantly? How many tackles in a passing league are not excelling because they profile better at run blocking? Are any trade, FA, or draft targets for a discount?

All questions the team really needs to answer to avoid repeating our salary cap history. 

[Tru2Atlanta404]

7 hours ago, Snafu said:

If you really presume that some players don't go all out in and push themselves harder in contract years than they did in the years before, only to let up after they get paid, then the conversation isn't even worth having.

It has nothing to do w/ character but rather with the human condition. As humans, when our *** is on the line, we push ourselves harder. And for some, once they have been handed a certain level of security, they ease off.

 

Do I think McGary has poor character? No.

Do I know that McGary and Lindstrom were taken in the same draft class and one hit the ground running by being a well above average RG for his entire NFL Tenure and is now considered probably the best RG in the NFL, while one took 5 years to even become an average player? Yes.

Do I find it troubling that McGary requires routine TE help and is still subpar in pass pro despite having the benefit of playing beside Lindstrom? Yes

 

 

If you want to drop $13-18M on McGary, that's your right, but I hope the rest of the Organization has moved past wanting to make these Dimitroff-esque roster moves.

Preach 

[Herr Doktor]

8 hours ago, Snafu said:

If you really presume that some players don't go all out in and push themselves harder in contract years than they did in the years before, only to let up after they get paid, then the conversation isn't even worth having.

It has nothing to do w/ character but rather with the human condition. As humans, when our *** is on the line, we push ourselves harder. And for some, once they have been handed a certain level of security, they ease off.

 

Do I think McGary has poor character? No.

Do I know that McGary and Lindstrom were taken in the same draft class and one hit the ground running by being a well above average RG for his entire NFL Tenure and is now considered probably the best RG in the NFL, while one took 5 years to even become an average player? Yes.

Do I find it troubling that McGary requires routine TE help and is still subpar in pass pro despite having the benefit of playing beside Lindstrom? Yes

 

 

If you want to drop $13-18M on McGary, that's your right, but I hope the rest of the Organization has moved past wanting to make these Dimitroff-esque roster moves.

Outstanding take. 

[Vandy]

1 hour ago, Akod2017 said:

As Snafu said we had little choice but to run more than AS wanted last year. Does McGary’s weakness hurt more with an adequate QB? Did playing next to the best RG in football help significantly? How many tackles in a passing league are not excelling because they profile better at run blocking? Are any trade, FA, or draft targets for a discount?

All questions the team really needs to answer to avoid repeating our salary cap history. 

Kinda silly you guys insinuating falcons ran ball more last season because of McGary’s supposed “weakness” in pass blocking. 
 

My bet is if falcons let kaleb walk you and other fans will be whining mid-season just how bad our RT play is post KM

[Vandy]

2 hours ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

That analogy doesn’t work. Tackles aren’t like cars, they aren’t made in factories and you can’t find a reliable one on every corner. Sounds good but your logic is backwards.

Yeah, a whole lotta backwards logic going on in here. 

[Falcons_Frenzy]

4 hours ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

That analogy doesn’t work. Tackles aren’t like cars, they aren’t made in factories and you can’t find a reliable one on every corner. Sounds good but your logic is backwards.

Ok, so we know you want to overpay for McGary and give Lamar a fully guaranteed contract. Good luck with that.

[Snafu]

2 hours ago, Vandy said:

Kinda silly you guys insinuating falcons ran ball more last season because of McGary’s supposed “weakness” in pass blocking. 
 

My bet is if falcons let kaleb walk you and other fans will be whining mid-season just how bad our RT play is post KM

The insinuation of running more than AS wants isn’t based on McGary’s play. It’s based on QB and WR play.

We are saying that relatively poor QB and WR play forced AS’s hand into running a lot more than he wanted, which played into McGary’s strengths and masked some of his deficiencies.

[ShowTimePrimeTime]

Can't pay him and Lindstrom. I'd rather pay Lindstrom and draft a RT.

[Akod2017]

2 hours ago, Vandy said:

Kinda silly you guys insinuating falcons ran ball more last season because of McGary’s supposed “weakness” in pass blocking. 
 

My bet is if falcons let kaleb walk you and other fans will be whining mid-season just how bad our RT play is post KM

WTH are you talking about. 
 

Mariota=run the ball more

 

Understand?

[Knight of God]

He can be replaced for cheap. Hey, isn't there an OT in the first? I thought that's what we like. Cheap cheap cheap. Bargains. 

[ChickenBiscuit]

10 hours ago, Falcons_Frenzy said:

Ok, so we know you want to overpay for McGary and give Lamar a fully guaranteed contract. Good luck with that.

Is your brain bleeding? When did I ever say that? I said he’s a great player and I wouldn’t care either way if he was signed or not signed. I also said if he wants a DW level contract then it’s too much along with two picks. I’d rather do the contract or the picks but not both. 

[ChickenBiscuit]

8 hours ago, Knight of God said:

He can be replaced for cheap. Hey, isn't there an OT in the first? I thought that's what we like. Cheap cheap cheap. Bargains. 

We’ve got a pretty premium first round pick. I’d rather we use it to pick BPA on defense then draft a tackle just so we don’t have to pay McGary. 

[Falcons_Frenzy]

15 minutes ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

Is your brain bleeding? When did I ever say that? I said he’s a great player and I wouldn’t care either way if he was signed or not signed. I also said if he wants a DW level contract then it’s too much along with two picks. I’d rather do the contract or the picks but not both. 

Ok, then just shut up about both because neither is happening. If you're going to take a side then take one. Nothing worse than an armchair GM standing on the fence waiting for the chips to fall to see what the hindsight 20/20 decision was. 

[DirtyBird757]

20 hours ago, falconidae said:

49ers can't trade for him, before the draft, they don't have a first rounder this year.

they don't have that money either

[falconidae]

41 minutes ago, Falcons_Frenzy said:

Ok, then just shut up about both because neither is happening. If you're going to take a side then take one. Nothing worse than an armchair GM standing on the fence waiting for the chips to fall to see what the hindsight 20/20 decision was. 

What are you talking about?  Mr. Biscuit has very definite opinions of what he wants to have happen. I think you have severely misunderstood one of his posts.

[ChickenBiscuit]

12 minutes ago, Falcons_Frenzy said:

Ok, then just shut up about both because neither is happening. If you're going to take a side then take one. Nothing worse than an armchair GM standing on the fence waiting for the chips to fall to see what the hindsight 20/20 decision was. 

Lol dude im gonna keep speaking my mind and you can cry about it in a corner for all I care, you have no control over anything. Gather your last two brain cells and hop off my ****. 

[Vandy]

13 hours ago, Akod2017 said:

WTH are you talking about. 
 

Mariota=run the ball more

 

Understand?

You know exactly what I’m talking about. 
 

And yes, Mariotta was a major part of reason why. But not all, Smith comes from a run oriented philosophical background (which I love, BTW). We’ll definitely pass more in future, we’d be crazy not to with weapons Pitts and London, plus as last year proved being one dimensional can only take you so far. But my money is on we’ll always be a run-1st oriented team, which was my point on McGary.