What is considered quarterback purgatory may be evolving in the NFL Falcons may be on the cutting edge of an ever-changing landscape with Desmond Ridder

[Moist Words]

6 minutes ago, Freddies 3rd Cuz said:

Okay but what changes the cerebral part? What I'm saying is QB's from all ages have been playing the position in a different way for several years now. Kids are football

smarter and better coached. There's so much more to offseason now at all ages. Kids are being groomed and specialized at specific positions. In a lot of cases the most athletic kids who can run and throw are being taught the position. It just adds so much more to the position. It's the new trend and it's here to stay. 

You're born fast or slow, insane vertical jump or an inch off the ground, or on and on and on. If you're on the plus side of that you got a chance if you're physically gifted enough. Physical traits alone can get you through in other positions through college and even up into the NFL.

 

 

 

The amount of information a QB processes and the speed at which they do it at and the stress they're placed under as they do that with the physical blessings to boot........there's only a select few people born with the mental and physical ability to play that position. I don't see that changing. The fact that professionals fail at selecting dudes year after year after year kinda tells me that this is true.

 

 

There may exist a reality where the hardest position in football becomes like RB, but I just don't think this is the one and no amount of coaching changes it. At least in my opinion.

[Lornoth]

4 minutes ago, Freddies 3rd Cuz said:

 Brock Purdy
Jimmy Grappolo

these guys can run extend plays and beat you from the pocket. 

Bro what.

[Freddies 3rd Cuz]

1 hour ago, Summerhill said:

The QB on a rookie contract has been a valuable asset for a long time.

What I think is one of the more interesting things going on which I can’t find one way to explain is it overall seems there are a lot more pretty good QBs these days. There are barely any truly bad QBs, if there are any at all. These days QB purgatory is spending a ton of money on a QB who is only pretty good when someone like Taylor Heinecke is pretty good for next to nothing and barely anyone even wants him. 

Well said SH

[Kaptain Krazy]

4 hours ago, Serge said:

Oh yeah, cutting edge, no one's ever thought of trying to save money at quarterback by starting a guy on a rookie contract.

"Cutting Edge" 

The Seahawks were winning a Super Bowl nearly a decade ago with a rookie QB and a stacked Defense. The Steelers were winning a Super Bowl nearly a generation ago with a rookie QB and a stacked Defense.

Gotta love the (F)alcoholic 🤣

[Freddies 3rd Cuz]

2 minutes ago, Lornoth said:

Bro what.

Sorry bro my bad🧐

[EveryFalconsPlayerCombined]

5 hours ago, gazoo said:

"Cheap QBs achieved at an unprecedented level in 2022"

So with the running QB craze the 40 yard dash enthusiasts kept promising us "the league is changing, pocket QBs are a thing of the past"

So will those same running quarterback crazed fans suggest the league is changing again to cheap QBs like Ridder? The article suggests Ridder may be on the cutting edge of this new trend.

Having a QB on a rookie contract also allows you to spend more money on pass rushers, CBs and linemen. Sarkisian told me friend shortly after leaving the team that the Falcons real issue was having too much money tied up in too few players. I believe there is merit to that argument.

 

I mean the whole reason many Falcon fans wanted a QB in 2021 was because he’d be on a rookie deal. We’re having the same convo 3 years later. Not good.

[autigerfan]

19 hours ago, Tim Mazetti said:

Draft around Ridder for a couple seasons if he can hold his performance last PS and the final four last season.......... Let's GO!......And build a D and OL.

He doesn't have 2 seasons to show in my mind.  He has to be the guy this year or the seat gets mighty hot for TF and AS. 

[autigerfan]

20 hours ago, gazoo said:

What is considered quarterback purgatory may be evolving in the NFL

Falcons may be on the cutting edge of an ever-changing landscape with Desmond Ridder

The Falcoholic- (this is just part of the story, here is link for full article https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2023/3/2/23619021/what-is-considered-quarterback-purgatory-may-be-evolving-in-the-nfl-desmond-ridder-falcons 

Quarterback purgatory is a place few NFL teams seek to find themselves. In the past, this undesirable province was reserved for teams lacking high-level quarterbacks that could reliably lead them to perennial playoff contention. Yet times may be changing.

In the future, limbo may be reserved mainly for teams that lack salary-cap flexibility at the position. The Atlanta Falcons are in a position to avoid such a fate if they commit to Desmond Ridder as their starter moving forward.

Cheap QBs achieved at an unprecedented level in 2022

Notably, the 2022 NFL season saw a number of teams make deep postseason runs with quarterbacks on rookie contracts. Three of the final four teams (Cincinnati Bengals, Philadelphia Eagles, and San Francisco 49ers) competing in the conference championship games had starting quarterbacks on rookie deals. There were nine teams that made the postseason in 2022 helmed by a quarterback on a rookie deal or a comparably cheap veteran such as the Seattle Seahawks with Geno Smith. That’s more than the combined total of the two previous years, which saw four teams each year reach the postseason with such an advantage.

It suggests a new, developing trend in the NFL that is a stark change from the past. Then, it was mainly established quarterbacks making top dollar that were regularly putting their teams in playoff contention and guiding deep postseason runs. Yet, one could claim that 2022 represented an anomaly as opposed to a sign of things to come. 

Time will of course tell, but I lean towards this trend continuing. One only has to observe the current quarterback landscape in the NFL to see plenty of disadvantaged teams that are currently paying a premium for their quarterbacks.

When looking at the quarterbacks set to have the highest cap hits in the league in 2023, teams like the Kansas City Chiefs and Buffalo Bills appear to be the outliers since they aren’t complaining about having to pay Patrick Mahomes ($49.3 million) and Josh Allen ($39.8 million).

Essentially, unless you have an elite QB in their prime a large contract for a QB is a liability rather than an asset.  Case in point for the Packers and Broncos.  Maximize the window of young cheap QBs before you actually have to pay them. 

[g-dawg]

I only see 2 potential franchise QBs in the 2023 draft - Bryce Young and CJ Stroud - neither slam-dunk stars but you can at least see their potential to be.   I know many are hoping Will Levis can turn into Josh Allen but just too much of a stretch to me.   Anthony Richardson couldn't complete more than 53% in college - where the passing windows are much bigger.

On a rebuilding team where there are literally holes at every single position group on the team w/ the exception of PlaceKicker and maybe Running Back - I'm good w/ experimenting for a year and seeing what Desmond Ridder has - or doesn't have.   If Rid's a bust, then sobeit.    If he's a bust and the Falcons are a bad team again - then you  have arguably two stud QBs in 2024 draft in Caleb Williams and Drake Maye - or go get one in the open market of free agency.

Now if Young or Stroud fell in your lap, I would pull the trigger but wouldn't angle up for one of them.    If Falcons were "A QB away" from SB contention - then I would consider it - but naw - just gonna roll w/ Ridder for now - maybe take another developmental  QB on Day 3.

[FalconFanSince1969]

7 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

I only see 2 potential franchise QBs in the 2023 draft - Bryce Young and CJ Stroud - neither slam-dunk stars but you can at least see their potential to be.   I know many are hoping Will Levis can turn into Josh Allen but just too much of a stretch to me.   Anthony Richardson couldn't complete more than 53% in college - where the passing windows are much bigger.

On a rebuilding team where there are literally holes at every single position group on the team w/ the exception of PlaceKicker and maybe Running Back - I'm good w/ experimenting for a year and seeing what Desmond Ridder has - or doesn't have.   If Rid's a bust, then sobeit.    If he's a bust and the Falcons are a bad team again - then you  have arguably two stud QBs in 2024 draft in Caleb Williams and Drake Maye - or go get one in the open market of free agency.

Now if Young or Stroud fell in your lap, I would pull the trigger but wouldn't angle up for one of them.    If Falcons were "A QB away" from SB contention - then I would consider it - but naw - just gonna roll w/ Ridder for now - maybe take another developmental  QB on Day 3.

I think Richardson is going to make a lot of people look real silly. 

[g-dawg]

Just now, FalconFanSince1969 said:

I think Richardson is going to make a lot of people look real silly. 

you mean the people that believe in him or the ones that don't?

[FalconFanSince1969]

1 minute ago, g-dawg said:

you mean the people that believe in him or the ones that don't?

The ones that don't.... I also think young is a bust waiting to happen tho. If I'm a gm I'm having a hard time drafting a QB that makes Kyler Murray look big. 

[g-dawg]

4 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

The ones that don't.... I also think young is a bust waiting to happen tho. If I'm a gm I'm having a hard time drafting a QB that makes Kyler Murray look big. 

What have you seen from Anthony Richardson that indicates to you he will be great at the next level?

He is not an accurate thrower of the ball - that rarely improves at the next level.

[FalconFanSince1969]

14 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

What have you seen from Anthony Richardson that indicates to you he will be great at the next level?

He is not an accurate thrower of the ball - that rarely improves at the next level.

I don't care about his college stats. Dude had zero help as a 21 year old sophomore. He is by all accounts a leader of men that is willing to put in the work to get better and that is way more important than his one season starting as a sophomore.. that Florida team doesnt have a single other offensive skill player going in the top 3-4 rounds. It's not like he's playing with all Americas like young has his whole career

 

 

 

 

 

[g-dawg]

8 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

I don't care about his college stats. Dude had zero help as a 21 year old sophomore. He is by all accounts a leader of men that is willing to put in the work to get better and that is way more important than his one season starting as a sophomore.. that Florida team doesnt have a single other offensive skill player going in the top 3-4 rounds. It's not like he's playing with all Americas like young has his whole career

 

 

 

 

 

so you just think "ferry dust" will land on Anthony Richardson in the NFL and he will become a MORE ACCURATE thrower in  SMALLER WINDOWS while reading more complex defenses w/ more defensive speed?

 

Got it!

[FalconFanSince1969]

5 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

so you just think "ferry dust" will land on Anthony Richardson in the NFL and he will become a MORE ACCURATE thrower in  SMALLER WINDOWS while reading more complex defenses w/ more defensive speed?

 

Got it!

So you're saying a player cannot develop past the age of 21? Got it. I'll let Josh Allen know that what he is doing isn't real. 

 

You're judging dude based on 13 games in college. It'd be different if he was a 4 year starter and didn't get any better. 

[Aluminafalcon]

36 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

I think Richardson is going to make a lot of people look real silly. 

That’s not really a prediction. Half the experts think he is the next cam newton half the experts think he will never develop into a real qb. No matter what happens a lot of people will look silly

[g-dawg]

18 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

So you're saying a player cannot develop past the age of 21? Got it. I'll let Josh Allen know that what he is doing isn't real. 

 

You're judging dude based on 13 games in college. It'd be different if he was a 4 year starter and didn't get any better. 

everyone uses JOSH ALLEN - he is literally the one exception to the rule - but go ahead - use the 1-out-of-100.

[g-dawg]

23 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

So you're saying a player cannot develop past the age of 21? Got it. I'll let Josh Allen know that what he is doing isn't real. 

 

You're judging dude based on 13 games in college. It'd be different if he was a 4 year starter and didn't get any better. 

he got worse from his limited play in 2021 to starter in 2022.    Of course it's possible for him to develop - he has size/strength - some team will take the gamble - but it's a HUGE GAMBLE.   By all accounts,  he's a class individual and is mature for his age.

I'm not rooting against the kid but taking him in the top 10 - or top 5 - he's a "roll of the dice" pick - he will either make a GM or get the GM fired if he is drafted in the top 5.

 

Career Stats

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STATS
2022
2021
2020

 

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
176	327	53.8	2,549	7.8	17	9	78	131.0
38	64	59.4	529	8.3	6	5	75	144.1
1	2	50.0	27	13.5	1	1	27	228.4

[FalconFanSince1969]

15 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

he got worse from his limited play in 2021 to starter in 2022.    Of course it's possible for him to develop - he has size/strength - some team will take the gamble - but it's a HUGE GAMBLE.   By all accounts,  he's a class individual and is mature for his age.

I'm not rooting against the kid but taking him in the top 10 - or top 5 - he's a "roll of the dice" pick - he will either make a GM or get the GM fired if he is drafted in the top 5.

 

Career Stats

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STATS
2022
2021
2020

 

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
176	327	53.8	2,549	7.8	17	9	78	131.0
38	64	59.4	529	8.3	6	5	75	144.1
1	2	50.0	27	13.5	1	1	27	228.4

Nearly every QB drafted is a roll of the dice pick for one reason or another tho. If I'm going to roll the dice it's gonna be on a guy with the most upside. Just imo

 

[JDaveG]

15 hours ago, Moist Words said:

You're born fast or slow, insane vertical jump or an inch off the ground, or on and on and on. If you're on the plus side of that you got a chance if you're physically gifted enough. Physical traits alone can get you through in other positions through college and even up into the NFL.

 

 

 

The amount of information a QB processes and the speed at which they do it at and the stress they're placed under as they do that with the physical blessings to boot........there's only a select few people born with the mental and physical ability to play that position. I don't see that changing. The fact that professionals fail at selecting dudes year after year after year kinda tells me that this is true.

 

 

There may exist a reality where the hardest position in football becomes like RB, but I just don't think this is the one and no amount of coaching changes it. At least in my opinion.

This.  It's why I say every year people vastly overrate the physical attributes of a QB.  A guy with marginal arm strength and mid-range speed, but who can process information at an elite level, will always beat a guy with a rocket arm and 4.3 speed that holds the ball too long.

I watched Brian Urlacher run down Mike Vick for a sack in the backfield.  Everyone at the NFL level can run.  Only an elite few can find the open man before the rush gets home.  It's one reason I have a lot of optimism for Ridder.  People like to complain about his arm and his alleged inaccuracy and the fact that even though he runs a 4.5 he doesn't play that fast.  All that doesn't matter.  Can he get the ball to the open man?

[g-dawg]

12 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

Nearly every QB drafted is a roll of the dice pick for one reason or another tho. If I'm going to roll the dice it's gonna be on a guy with the most upside. Just imo

 

yeah but being able to throw the ball accurate is kinda important.    This isn't the 1970's with the wishbone offense and run the ball 75% of the time.

Anthony Richardson is closer to Felipe Franks as a prospect than Josh Allen.

[Serge]

3 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

This.  It's why I say every year people vastly overrate the physical attributes of a QB.  A guy with marginal arm strength and mid-range speed, but who can process information at an elite level, will always beat a guy with a rocket arm and 4.3 speed that holds the ball too long.

I watched Brian Urlacher run down Mike Vick for a sack in the backfield.  Everyone at the NFL level can run.  Only an elite few can find the open man before the rush gets home.  It's one reason I have a lot of optimism for Ridder.  People like to complain about his arm and his alleged inaccuracy and the fact that even though he runs a 4.5 he doesn't play that fast.  All that doesn't matter.  Can he get the ball to the open man?

That's why I'd rather give Ridder another year or two on the bench before asking him to be the guy. If he wasn't an obvious future NFL starter in college, he's probably not going to play faster if he's still adjusting to NFL speed and trying to learn a pro offense. Cincinnati was way more talented than most of the teams they were playing against when he had his one big season there as a passer. He didn't project as a guy that was going to pick up an NFL offense and start running it at a high level by his second year in the league. If he did, we'd have probably taken him where we took Troy Andersen.

[JDaveG]

11 minutes ago, Serge said:

That's why I'd rather give Ridder another year or two on the bench before asking him to be the guy. If he wasn't an obvious future NFL starter in college, he's probably not going to play faster if he's still adjusting to NFL speed and trying to learn a pro offense. Cincinnati was way more talented than most of the teams they were playing against when he had his one big season there as a passer. He didn't project as a guy that was going to pick up an NFL offense and start running it at a high level by his second year in the league. If he did, we'd have probably taken him where we took Troy Andersen.

K

[Dr Long Shot]

If Ridder sucks next year we'll be looking for a QB and picking top 10 again, if he's good we might battle our way to the playoffs in a bad division. Could go either way. Nothing particularly "genius" about any of this. We hung on to our franchise QB until he basically requested a trade and then drafted the QB we felt offered the best value in the 3rd round of the draft. If there had been a fantastic prospect in the first round safe bet we would have drafted that guy, but it was a pretty "weak" QB draft as far as prospects so would have been ******* stupid to reach with the 5 pick. Not the first team to do something like that.