TheRisen999 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) Looks like Washington is going to tag Payne. It’s an entirely different position but maybe we are a real contender to sign Jessie Bates. Edited February 26 by TheRisen999 Killing Floor, ShmevinShmarris, labradford and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconus Prime Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 So my question would be is Daron and the 16th overall pic be worth our 8th overall? ShoNuff and TheRisen999 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminafalcon Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 He isn’t tagged till he is tagged. Could be a bluff by Washington to pressure him into a team friendly long term deal. FalconJim and Lionzblade 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriMeTiiMe Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Just sign Hargrave and call it a day if Payne gets tagged. Go big or go home. Yannick, Hargrave, Pratt and Bates in free agency. Fix the defense. youngbloodz, Bunchy Carter, Mister pudding and 10 others 9 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Don’t be surprised or disappointed if we don’t sign either one. Diesel_Bird, xianshino, papachaz and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconofShadows Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 6 minutes ago, etherdome said: Don’t be surprised or disappointed if we don’t sign either one. This people forget this isn't madden where you just give the player allot of money and they sign with you. Most people have preferences money isn't the only thing every player is after. It's entirely possible we don get any of the "top stars" of FA and instead get a bunch of 6-10m a years players and fill out he roster with talent but just lacking superstar talen FalconJim, Thiccolas Cage, PokerSteve and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllStarHandyMan Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 22 minutes ago, Falconus Prime said: So my question would be is Daron and the 16th overall pic be worth our 8th overall? yea that is enough to move me but I would want to try and get a little more but ill let the #8 go for that. TheRisen999 and Falconus Prime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don™ Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, PriMeTiiMe said: Just sign Hargrave and call it a day if Payne gets tagged. Go big or go home. Yannick, Hargrave, Pratt and Bates in free agency. Fix the defense. Lionzblade, TheTrue7, Thiccolas Cage and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don™ Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, PriMeTiiMe said: Just sign Hargrave and call it a day if Payne gets tagged. Go big or go home. Yannick, Hargrave, Pratt and Bates in free agency. Fix the defense. Go all defense in FA with proven guys. The good defenses have proven talent at key positions while others develop around them. Right now, we have Grady and AJT and waiting for others to get there. Then it opens up the draft to be anything really. TheRisen999, Kaptain Krazy, papachaz and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing Floor Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Bates would be a good get. We haven’t had a mannish safety in many years, our safety room has been so bad for the better part of a decade that people think Grant is decent by comparison, let that sink in. As far as giving #8 for a 16 or so, the Falcons have been going “shiny object” in the first round lately. If we’re looking at a fresh superstar edge in the draft I would prefer that. But if we are going flash again in 1st I’d prefer to spend that pick to get a contributing vet. It really depends where Terry’s mind is. Pacific_Falcon, TheRisen999 and Lionzblade 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 WAS wants Payne long term. Young is the one I have read they are conflicted on, and may not offer the fifth year to him, so gotta think with big money invested in 3 other DLman he could be had in a trade. He is a baller, just needs to prove to be healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 I wanted us to draft Bates a few years back, so I would be beyond psyched if we land him. I’m not as crazy about Payne as most. I think people are getting a little too fixated on the sack number he put up this past season. He never came even remotely close to that level of production as a pass rusher until his contract year. I fully get that he’s been very solid as a run stopper before that, but I just don’t think giving up draft capital & tons of cap room for him is really something I’d be comfortable with at this point. You don’t give up so much for a run stuffing DT, and I’d need to know this wasn’t a one year flash in terms of pass rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, FalconofShadows said: This people forget this isn't madden where you just give the player allot of money and they sign with you. Most people have preferences money isn't the only thing every player is after. It's entirely possible we don get any of the "top stars" of FA and instead get a bunch of 6-10m a years players and fill out he roster with talent but just lacking superstar talen AS and TF have no excuse for just filling the roster with average talent with the amount of cap money they have to spend. Not every player is just about the money. I believe the Falcons are not that ugly of a team for a star FA after the regime change and steady improvements to the roster. There are probably a lot of great edge players who would love to play for Ryan Neilsen. The big thing is this team NEEDS a superstar(s) on defense, meaning a more dynamic and impactful player than Grady Jarrett or A.J. It's an integral aspect of that "identity" the Falcons are searching for and still don't have. You have to have headline-grabbers to be somebody in the NFL now days. I'm positive we're going to get at least one elite defensive FA, and I'm hoping we get two "splash" defenders with this cap surplus. The defense has to have players who can raise the level of play across the whole unit. A defense offenses HATE to play against. A defense that is painful to play against. The team needs to have that to win more "big" games. Just having good overall talent will mean we're still just an average team just trying to make the playoffs but no threat to get to the SB. I think Blank, AS and TF have their sights set higher than that. Hard2BaBirdWachr, Kaptain Krazy, FalconJim and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 10 minutes ago, k-train said: I wanted us to draft Bates a few years back, so I would be beyond psyched if we land him. I’m not as crazy about Payne as most. I think people are getting a little too fixated on the sack number he put up this past season. He never came even remotely close to that level of production as a pass rusher until his contract year. I fully get that he’s been very solid as a run stopper before that, but I just don’t think giving up draft capital & tons of cap room for him is really something I’d be comfortable with at this point. You don’t give up so much for a run stuffing DT, and I’d need to know this wasn’t a one year flash in terms of pass rush. I hear you on Payne. Funny to me how nobody cares Payne showed up on a contract year, buts it’s a big red flag with McGary k-train, PokerSteve, TheRisen999 and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRisen999 Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Falconus Prime said: So my question would be is Daron and the 16th overall pic be worth our 8th overall? How old is Daron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 minute ago, TheRisen999 said: How old is Daron? He's 25. Still a spring chicken. Diesel_Bird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRisen999 Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 40 minutes ago, 1989Fan said: I hear you on Payne. Funny to me how nobody cares Payne showed up on a contract year, buts it’s a big red flag with McGary Good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRisen999 Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 13 minutes ago, PokerSteve said: He's 25. Still a spring chicken. Yea I might be ok with that trade PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirds233 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, FalconofShadows said: This people forget this isn't madden where you just give the player allot of money and they sign with you. Most people have preferences money isn't the only thing every player is after. It's entirely possible we don get any of the "top stars" of FA and instead get a bunch of 6-10m a years players and fill out he roster with talent but just lacking superstar talen This. On top of that, there’s so many ways to manipulate the cap now that you don’t even need to be a team with a ton of cap space to sign these top guys. You won’t be able to over spend like another team could, but you could still pull it off. FalconofShadows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, 1989Fan said: I hear you on Payne. Funny to me how nobody cares Payne showed up on a contract year, buts it’s a big red flag with McGary Exactly. I actually made the same point in a thread about McGary a few weeks ago. Another thing to consider with Payne is whether or not he could have that same sorta impact & production on a line not loaded with talent like Washington’s. I get that an argument can be made that his presence helps the other players in that front 4 maximize their own potential, but they’re all really good to begin with. I’m just not convinced he’ll have the same sorta impact he’s had thus far if he’s playing for a team with less talent. 1989Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRisen999 Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 3 hours ago, Aluminafalcon said: He isn’t tagged till he is tagged. Could be a bluff by Washington to pressure him into a team friendly long term deal. Thing is he doesn’t have a reason to do that. He’s in high demand so it would be in his best interest to try them. Teams will give up a lot and be willing to pay him if he forces a trade and Payne knows they don’t want to trade him.. the ball is in his court, either way that guy is about to get paid. PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsCreek Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Bates to me is an absolute no brainier (as long as as it's not way overpriced). He brings a veteran leadership, and comes from a team that has been deep into the playoffs 2 straight years. Also seems to have a connection with some of the guys on the team currently (Pitts, AJ, Hayward). If Payne gets tagged/signs long term I'd honestly make a pitch for Young, with all the cap they are going to have tied up it's going to be hard signing him to a long term deal (also depends on where they go at QB but it never hurts to ask) TheRisen999, PokerSteve and Lionzblade 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirds233 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 3 hours ago, Falconus Prime said: So my question would be is Daron and the 16th overall pic be worth our 8th overall? I would say absolutely. A better way to look at it, is if Payne was there at #8, would you take him while also getting a 1st 8 picks later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconofShadows Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, PokerSteve said: AS and TF have no excuse for just filling the roster with average talent with the amount of cap money they have to spend. Not every player is just about the money. I believe the Falcons are not that ugly of a team for a star FA after the regime change and steady improvements to the roster. There are probably a lot of great edge players who would love to play for Ryan Neilsen. The big thing is this team NEEDS a superstar(s) on defense, meaning a more dynamic and impactful player than Grady Jarrett or A.J. It's an integral aspect of that "identity" the Falcons are searching for and still don't have. You have to have headline-grabbers to be somebody in the NFL now days. I'm positive we're going to get at least one elite defensive FA, and I'm hoping we get two "splash" defenders with this cap surplus. The defense has to have players who can raise the level of play across the whole unit. A defense offenses HATE to play against. A defense that is painful to play against. The team needs to have that to win more "big" games. Just having good overall talent will mean we're still just an average team just trying to make the playoffs but no threat to get to the SB. I think Blank, AS and TF have their sights set higher than that. Just because the teams needs it doesn't mean the players will justdo it. There's could be multitudes of reasons why a player doesn't want to sign. Someone may not want to live in Georgia or not on east coast entirely. Some people may take a cut in pay to go to a contender. You never know. Not saying I don't want a top player but I'd rather let the team suprise me then get let down again. PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaptain Krazy Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2021 offseason - "yeah, it stinks right now, but TF is cleaning house and we'll have money to spend in the future." 2022 offseason - "yeah, it stinks right now because of all the bad TD decisions, but just wait until TF has money to spend, then things will be different. " 2023 offseason - "Now, don't get too excited about having all this cap space, that doesn't guarantee Atlanta will be able to bring in top talent." I get that it's not Madden, but at some point, the Falcons will need to acquire talent that can win games now, not just theoretical wins in the vague future. It's only overpaying when players doesn't produce the way the team needed them to. dyrtysouth2000, Lionzblade, papachaz and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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