Knight of God Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Get Dalvin Tomlinson and David Oneymata 1989Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 FA equals overpay if your shopping in week 1 it’s how it rolls.The not overpaying line is fantasy for us we are overpaying because we are a bad team. In demand FA aren’t coming to the Falcons for a discount there coming to secure there futures and hopefully do some winning while doing so. Malachore, Herr Doktor and Lionzblade 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel 25:17 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, Vandy said: I hear you, we’d have to change offense more toward what he did with Ryan. But he’d have to make changes for just about any backup if Ridder went down. Good point! Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 For the last week I've been thinking of one player to step into the DL and give Grady the push up the middle QB's hate DeForest Buckner. I don't know what his contact is, or what the trade cost would be, but what a beast. 6'7, 295 pounds, 8 sacks last year. Seems like someone that would fit in with a 4-3 defense. RetroRoq and Lionzblade 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjacob25 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, H2O said: For the last week I've been thinking of one player to step into the DL and give Grady the push up the middle QB's hate DeForest Buckner. I don't know what his contact is, or what the trade cost would be, but what a beast. 6'7, 295 pounds, 8 sacks last year. Seems like someone that would fit in with a 4-3 defense. I read somewhere that he might be a cap casualty! He would be a really nice get! Herr Doktor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel 25:17 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Aluminafalcon said: We wouldn’t really. You can still run rpo with qb not running the ball. Darnold is fast enough to handle bootlegs. There are ways to establish backside pressure besides zone reads. A pro offense is based around concepts you want to establish not specific plays. You can design around whatever your priorities no matter what personnel you have I hear what you’re saying. My thing is, Darnold has never been an RPO type. Not saying he can’t do it, but it’s not as easy as just draw up the plays and he can do it because he is a QB. With that said, he is a better passer than anyway we have had since Ryan. Vandy and Stryka 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryka Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said: The whole type of QB that Art likes is athletic. Not sure Darnold fits this bill. He’s not a bad athlete. He’s just a bad QB and he had no familiarity with the scheme. It’s a big NO for me. k-train, Ezekiel 25:17 and Lionzblade 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImElPresidente Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I wouldn't consider Sam Darnold to be a marquee FA!!😂😂 Vandy, Herr Doktor and Lionzblade 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I listed Darnold (along with 4 other QBs) on my free agent wishlist. The reasoning: 1. He's still young, so he does actually have some upside left. Dude got thrown to the wolves in New York (that is a TON on pressure placed on any rookie QB) with bats!t crazy Adam Gase calling the shots. He was 100% set up to fail there, and no fault of his own, really. Carolina was (is?) a similar type of mess, and then he got hurt, so kinda hard to put a lot of that on him either. He also handled that whole situation there with a heck of a lot more class than like Baker Mayfield. 2. He has actual NFL starting experience. As a backup, that's kind of a big deal since a rookie doesn't have that. 3. Despite what most think, he's actually a bit more more mobile than you'd think. He's plenty capable of running Smith's scheme. Perhaps not to the level of someone with top-notch mobility, buy definitely serviceable."At USC, Darnold excelled at extending plays with his legs – either passing on the run and tucking the ball himself. Now, with a couple of practices against NFL players, many are starting to remember Darnold was one of the best mobile quarterbacks in all of college football."https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/06/jets-sam-darnold-mobile-quarterback-usc/ 4. He shouldn't cost too much. 5. Arthur Smith took a chance on another former top 10 pick bust of a QB in Ryan Tannehill as a backup QB, and that paid off pretty well. Obviously the ideal scenario is that Ridder excels... but should he get hurt or never fully pan out, I think kicking the tires on Darnold for a hopeful Tannehll-esque career resurrection isn't the worst thing. I know it's easy to clown on Darnold, but look... last year I had Geno Smith on my free agent wishlist & darn near everyone who replied to that thread clowned me big time for that. I knew Geno showed a glimmer of what he was capable of when he filled in the year before when Wilson was injured... nothing mind-blowing, but solid enough to win some games. Yet folks still wanted to get sooooo wrapped up in the past & tell me how stupid I was for mentioning him. Darnold is similar IMO. He went 4-2 with a trash Panthers team. For his entire NFL career thus far, he's never been in a situation that gave him any real chance for success. Better coaching, and a bit of maturity could do him wonders. I think that could potentially be found as the backup QB here. I fully understand that maybe that light just never fully comes on for him, but I think there's still enough there to take the chance... especially since we're talking about a backup role, not a starter. Fernando C., RetroRoq, theProf and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando C. Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 5 hours ago, Knight of God said: Get Dalvin Tomlinson and David Oneymata + Bates or Poyer and go Gonzalez or Witherspoon at 8th... you got yourself a D.... Geaux_Falcons and Knight of God 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 11 hours ago, theProf said: 9. Jamel Dean, CB Best team fit: Atlanta Falcons A 26-year-old defender who plays a premium position, Dean will have multiple options on the market. The Titans are a potential landing spot, too, but I like the idea of pairing him with A.J. Terrell in Atlanta to give the Falcons two corners with press-man ability and backfield vision in zone looks. Dean is long at 6-foot-1, can disrupt throwing windows and creates on-the-ball production. He had double-digit pass breakups in each of his first three pro seasons, with two interceptions last year. I wonder if the front office would be good with tying up such a big chunk of the cap in the CB position. The other option is the top of the draft where you get a rookie contract for next 4 years. If we go pass rusher top of draft we are going to need a veteran CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 32 minutes ago, gazoo said: I wonder if the front office would be good with tying up such a big chunk of the cap in the CB position. The other option is the top of the draft where you get a rookie contract for next 4 years. If we go pass rusher top of draft we are going to need a veteran CB. I just can't see it. Dean is projected by Spotrac to have a market value of something like $16M/yr. With AJ due to be paid soon & so many other needs, I can't see them committing so much cap space to CB2. I think it's super likely that we go CB early in the draft, but don't really do much at the position via free agency. gazoo and Lionzblade 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 53 minutes ago, Fernando C. said: + Bates or Poyer and go Gonzalez or Witherspoon at 8th... you got yourself a D.... Bates and Poyer look more and more like they will be tagged. I don't know what's up with Taylor Rapp but look into him. You'll like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_Frenzy Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Do you guys think there would be a drop off with TJ Edwards going from a stacked defense surrounded by talent to having just Grady and AJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhawksfan Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I am on the Ridder train. He's my guy until he isn't As for his back up... go as cheap as possible. Only really good teams need to spend on a back up QB We have so many other needs where money and draft picks are better spent Herr Doktor and gazoo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustMe Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 15 hours ago, Killing Floor said: Same. He’s not half the quarterback that Mariota is. Please no. But any other name on that list in OP is ok. Never thought I'd hear the words half the quarterback Mariota is... that's a scary thought. dyrtysouth2000, gazoo, Killing Floor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 27 minutes ago, ItsJustMe said: Never thought I'd hear the words half the quarterback Mariota is... that's a scary thought. Terrifying. Lionzblade and ItsJustMe 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theProf Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 14 hours ago, Knight of God said: Get Dalvin Tomlinson and David Oneymata Appears that Vikes might try to re-sign Tomlinson. Vikings, Dalvin Tomlinson Extend Contract Negotiating Window By Eric Strack | Feb 22, 202300: Earlier this week, we thought (DT) Dalvin Tomlinson became a free agent. That’s because his contract was scheduled to void on Monday, which would have replaced his future services, as a Minnesota Viking, with a $7.5 million dead cap penalty. But on Wednesday morning, Field Yates (ESPN) is reporting that the Vikings and Tomlinson reached an agreement to extend that deadline from February 20 to March 15, allowing the two sides to continue extension talks without that $7.5 million in dead cap hitting the books. @FieldYates Vikings DT Dalvin Tomlinson’s deal was set to void in recent days, which would have pushed $7.5M of dead money onto their 2023 cap. The team & Tomlinson agreed to move the void date to 3/15. This buys more time for a possible extension that avoids all $7.5M hitting the 2023 cap. This news makes me believe that Tomlinson is more likely to sign an extension in Minnesota, than he is to leave for free agency. If signing Dalvin Tomlinson wasn’t Kwesi Adofo-Mansah’s priority, there would have been no point in extending the void deadline. Dead cap money doesn’t just go away, even if the Vikings bring Tomlinson back. It does, however, allow Kwesi to push $5 million of that penalty into the future. https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/vikings-dalvin-tomlinson-void-date/ gazoo, Herr Doktor and Knight of God 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 28 minutes ago, theProf said: Appears that Vikes might try to re-sign Tomlinson. Vikings, Dalvin Tomlinson Extend Contract Negotiating Window By Eric Strack | Feb 22, 202300: Earlier this week, we thought (DT) Dalvin Tomlinson became a free agent. That’s because his contract was scheduled to void on Monday, which would have replaced his future services, as a Minnesota Viking, with a $7.5 million dead cap penalty. But on Wednesday morning, Field Yates (ESPN) is reporting that the Vikings and Tomlinson reached an agreement to extend that deadline from February 20 to March 15, allowing the two sides to continue extension talks without that $7.5 million in dead cap hitting the books. @FieldYates Vikings DT Dalvin Tomlinson’s deal was set to void in recent days, which would have pushed $7.5M of dead money onto their 2023 cap. The team & Tomlinson agreed to move the void date to 3/15. This buys more time for a possible extension that avoids all $7.5M hitting the 2023 cap. This news makes me believe that Tomlinson is more likely to sign an extension in Minnesota, than he is to leave for free agency. If signing Dalvin Tomlinson wasn’t Kwesi Adofo-Mansah’s priority, there would have been no point in extending the void deadline. Dead cap money doesn’t just go away, even if the Vikings bring Tomlinson back. It does, however, allow Kwesi to push $5 million of that penalty into the future. https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/vikings-dalvin-tomlinson-void-date/ FA is thinning out. But honestly. I get the feeling that Font was not going take massive splashes in FA. Oh, we will overpay someone for sure, maybe a couple of someone's. But, overall, FA was always going to be a OG, WR, LB sort of off season. Then fill in gaps as FA progresses. gazoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theProf Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 10 hours ago, gazoo said: I wonder if the front office would be good with tying up such a big chunk of the cap in the CB position. The other option is the top of the draft where you get a rookie contract for next 4 years. If we go pass rusher top of draft we are going to need a veteran CB. I think going CB with the Falcons 1st round pick would be a wise choice. Just like last year, when Atlanta had the choice of the #1 WR on its draft board, the Falcons should have the choice of the #1 CB on its board this year. Atlanta still has Casey Heyward signed for another year at a net cost of only $5 million. Heyward could start the 2023 season, until the draft pick is ready to start. Atlanta needs to get a proven EDGE in Free Agency, and then could draft another EDGE in the second or third round. I think many would want the Falcons to draft an EDGE with its first pick, but going CB with the first pick makes more sense to me. gazoo, gritsnsausage and Vandy 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 41 minutes ago, Herr Doktor said: FA is thinning out. But honestly. I get the feeling that Font was not going take massive splashes in FA. Oh, we will overpay someone for sure, maybe a couple of someone's. But, overall, FA was always going to be a OG, WR, LB sort of off season. Then fill in gaps as FA progresses. Yeah, in no way do I foresee a spending binge. Maybe one or two higher end pieces but otherwise signings that will be like last year, bargain players who came in and played well for relatively cheap 1 year contracts. We might sign second level FAs for longer than 1 year, but I do t see a big spending binge coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, theProf said: I think going CB with the Falcons 1st round pick would be a wise choice. Just like last year, when Atlanta had the choice of the #1 WR on its draft board, the Falcons should have the choice of the #1 CB on its board this year. Atlanta still has Casey Heyward signed for another year at a net cost of only $5 million. Heyward could start the 2023 season, until the draft pick is ready to start. Atlanta need to get a proven EDGE in Free Agency, and then could draft another EDGE in the second or third round. I think many would want the Falcons to draft an EDGE with its first pick, but going CB with the first pick makes more sense to me. Yeah, I see CB as much more bang for the buck and pick up where we are. I just don’t see a dominant edge up that high. Good players for sure, but you want all pro potential at 8. I also agree with your position that we sign a FA edge, that’s where even if we do overspend a bit, I’d be ok. I don’t think we are as far off as some may think, we get one proven edge to mix in the with group, another dominating DT, we should be good along the front for this season. I’d love to do more up front but we have too many other positions to fill to allow. theProf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Don’t the Falcons have to spend 90% of that money they have by rule from the nfl?I thought I red that somewhere. Man there are so many options for us.For me I don’t mind if they spend if they can add there own guys like Lindstrom and alike and hit key spots on the defense I think they should spend. **** if the opportunity is there to land Lamar Jackson I think that still isn’t off the table either. But make no mistake this team has to add proven talent in FA this fill holes bit won’t cut it.We’ve seen what it looks like the last few years and we’ve hovered below 500.That’s not going to cut it for this FO this is the year they have to take a big step.Under 500 and last in the division isn’t going to cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana Bandit Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 54 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: Don’t the Falcons have to spend 90% of that money they have by rule from the nfl?I thought I red that somewhere. Man there are so many options for us.For me I don’t mind if they spend if they can add there own guys like Lindstrom and alike and hit key spots on the defense I think they should spend. **** if the opportunity is there to land Lamar Jackson I think that still isn’t off the table either. But make no mistake this team has to add proven talent in FA this fill holes bit won’t cut it.We’ve seen what it looks like the last few years and we’ve hovered below 500.That’s not going to cut it for this FO this is the year they have to take a big step.Under 500 and last in the division isn’t going to cut it. They have to spend so much of the cap, but they don't have to give out multi-year contracts. I expect a bunch of 1 or 2 year deals with the second year to have an easy out for the Falcons so they can target better pieces next offseason. We can get a few pieces this offseason, but it won't be an automatic high caliber roster-reload this year. after 2-3 seasons we'll either have a good roster, or we'll be looking to start the rebuild again. Edited February 23 by Banana Bandit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 14 hours ago, gazoo said: I wonder if the front office would be good with tying up such a big chunk of the cap in the CB position. The other option is the top of the draft where you get a rookie contract for next 4 years. If we go pass rusher top of draft we are going to need a veteran CB. Front load dean, back load AJ. I want a pass rusher in free agency as much as anyone but you gotta take what's there. The makings of an elite secondary could be had in free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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