Spts1 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 15 hours ago, mc said: The easiest reason to be noncommittal is draft leverage. Makes teams have to consider Falcons may go for a qb. If we commit to Ridder, maybe we lose a DE or CB because a team traded up knowing we favor defense if we plan to go with Ridder. The last time the Falcons had draft leverage, they drafted a tight end at 4 and definitely let it be known that qb wasn't a option. Its was Pitts, Pitts, Pitts. Everybody under them knew what they were doing, including TATF. oSI7ENT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 4 minutes ago, Spts1 said: The last time the Falcons had draft leverage, they drafted a tight end at 4 and definitely let it be known that qb wasn't a option. Its was Pitts, Pitts, Pitts. Everybody under them knew what they were doing, including TATF. Don't forget the Panthers draft right behind us. So someone trading up may think they're leapfrogging Carolina at minimum, and dodging any possibility of us taking a QB. falconidae and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spts1 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 2 minutes ago, Drunken Minotaur Zebra said: Don't forget the Panthers draft right behind us. So someone trading up may think they're leapfrogging Carolina at minimum, and dodging any possibility of us taking a QB. From HISTORY, Smith is not drafting a quarterback. If anything, he will go into free agency and get one. He doesn't want to develop a quarterback because he has always been in WIN NOW mode. Any noncommital vibes coming out of Flowery Branch is related to free agency, not the draft. This is my OPINION based on Smith's history with the Falcons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, PokerSteve said: The ridder-hater crowd can't accept the fact that some people might not have all that much doubt about a QB taken in the 3rd round that did pretty well in his 4 starts. They get real mad if you challenge their ridder trolling. lmfao. I want ridder to succeed as much as you. I'm just not blinded by the fact that the odds really aren't in his favor. oSI7ENT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpg428gggg Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 I just came here for the memes and was not disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.11 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 23 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: The ridder crowd can't accept the fact that some people might not have all that much faith in a 3rd round QB that didn't exactly light it up in 4 starts. They get real mad if you challenge how they think. Lol and you don't? PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSI7ENT Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 51 minutes ago, Spts1 said: The last time the Falcons had draft leverage, they drafted a tight end at 4 and definitely let it be known that qb wasn't a option. Its was Pitts, Pitts, Pitts. Everybody under them knew what they were doing, including TATF. It’s the AS is smart and TF can do no wrong logic TAFT sticks to whenever a QB is brought up. It’s literally the same thing that happened when DJ Shockley was on the roster and we had a chance to draft a QB (which turned out to be Ryan). The point is, where there’s smoke; there’s fire. I believe the Falcons make a move for another QB. Spts1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunchy Carter Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 43 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: I want ridder to succeed as much as you. I'm just not blinded by the fact that the odds really aren't in his favor. The odds aren't really in ANY NFL'ers favor. The ratio of players who enter the NFL (draft, UDFA) to the amount who make a roster is laughable. Let alone the ratio of players who become STARTERS and then go on to have success. So, if you're basing your doubt of Ridder on the probability of his success...you must doubt all players. TheTrue7, Doctor Kildare, Drunken Minotaur Zebra and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSI7ENT Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Spts1 said: From HISTORY, Smith is not drafting a quarterback. If anything, he will go into free agency and get one. He doesn't want to develop a quarterback because he has always been in WIN NOW mode. Any noncommital vibes coming out of Flowery Branch is related to free agency, not the draft. This is my OPINION based on Smith's history with the Falcons. Wait a min. TAFT said AS was using last year to get ready for this season. TAFT said anybody that thought otherwise was crazy and that everyone that knows football knows he was just prepping Ridder to be ready for this season without us being in cap **** (which has now turned to 2024 btw - that’s the new narrative. 2025 for some on here). Now all of a sudden he has always been in Win Now mode? So…. I’m confused. Now AS doesn’t want to develop a QB?!?! So wait a min. What is he doing with Ridder then? This logic doesn’t work. Edited February 10 by jetpac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swayzee Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Drunken Minotaur Zebra said: I'll eat crow if I'm wrong (but for the good of the team, I would hope not) however I believe Ridder's natural leadership ability, winning attitude, and physical attributes will quickly put him in the middle of the pack of NFL QBs. ****, Mariota was I believe 15th in QBR like 5-6 games into the season. If Ridder can put up Mariota numbers but with fewer turnovers then he will automatically be in the top 20. As will I if he becomes the QB that I think we all hope he could be. I just don't think a coach that needs to win will put his eggs in the basket of a player that showed very very little in all but 1/2 of 1 game against dudes that play special teams. Time will tell! Boring *** place if everyone had the same opinion, so I appreciate the banter! falconsd56, Drunken Minotaur Zebra, PokerSteve and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spts1 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 3 minutes ago, jetpac said: Wait a min. TAFT said AS was using last year to get ready for this season. TAFT said anybody that thought otherwise was crazy and that everyone that knows football knows he was just prepping Ridder to be ready for this season without us being in cap **** (which has now turned to 2024 btw - that’s the new narrative. 2025 for some on here). Now all of a sudden he has always been in Win Now mode? So…. I’m confused. What has HISTORY shown you about Smith? When he became the GM/head coach, his first move was to keep Matt Ryan in a draft stacked with potential franchise qbs. He then signed Mariota and drafted a tight end. Somewhere along that line, he was on board with attempting to sign Deshaun Watson. There are holes EVERYWHERE on the roster during his whole tenure as GM/head coach. You tell me is he trying to develop players or win now? Not what the board believes, but what he is actually doing? oSI7ENT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.11 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 54 minutes ago, Spts1 said: The last time the Falcons had draft leverage, they drafted a tight end at 4 and definitely let it be known that qb wasn't a option. Its was Pitts, Pitts, Pitts. Everybody under them knew what they were doing, including TATF. Yeah, that's not true. At all. Fields was available. Mac Jones was available. I wanted Pitts, but I had no idea how the FO evaluates players and whether or not they were ready then to start the transition from Ryan to the next franchise QB. Just now, jetpac said: It’s the AS is smart and TF can do no wrong logic TAFT sticks to whenever a QB is brought up. It’s literally the same thing that happened when DJ Shockley was on the roster and we had a chance to draft a QB (which turned out to be Ryan). The point is, where there’s smoke; there’s fire. I believe the Falcons make a move for another QB. Of course they will. I don't think that's as controversial of an issue as you're making it out to be. The question is who that QB will be. oSI7ENT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSI7ENT Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, Spts1 said: What has HISTORY shown you about Smith? When he became the GM/head coach, his first move was to keep Matt Ryan in a draft stacked with potential franchise qbs. He then signed Mariota and drafted a tight end. Somewhere along that line, he was on board with attempting to sign Deshaun Watson. There are holes EVERYWHERE on the roster during his whole tenure as GM/head coach. You tell me is he trying to develop players or win now? Not what the board believes, but what he is actually doing? Spts1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swayzee Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 3 minutes ago, Spts1 said: What has HISTORY shown you about Smith? When he became the GM/head coach, his first move was to keep Matt Ryan in a draft stacked with potential franchise qbs. He then signed Mariota and drafted a tight end. Somewhere along that line, he was on board with attempting to sign Deshaun Watson. There are holes EVERYWHERE on the roster during his whole tenure as GM/head coach. You tell me is he trying to develop players or win now? Not what the board believes, but what he is actually doing? They were taking Lance at 4. Not sure why this keeps getting lost in the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spts1 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, Swayzee said: They were taking Lance at 4. Not sure why this keeps getting lost in the equation. When was that a option? Article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Swayzee said: Nobody hates Ridder, at least I don't think anyone hates Ridder over a ridiculously small sample size, although I am sure there ae a few that truly do. Not sure where the draft position comes into play either as that is 100% completely irrelevant to the discussion. I personally just don't have faith in him to be the starting QB for a team that 100% needs to win in 23'. The issue that some have is that this team needs W's. Say we go into the season and Ridder struggles in games that matter, just like he did in every game in 22' that "mattered". Again, I am sure you are aware of what Desmond Ridders look like if you simply take the 2nd half of the Tampa game out of the mix. So from the glass is half-empty crowd is that sample size enough to potentially throw away another season? No, not to me it is not, and why I want all options explored and NOTHING given to Ridder, because I don't think his play warrants being given anything. Again, Arthur Smith chose Mariota time and time again when he had so many chances to make the change and if you take away the 2nd half of the Tampa game, you think this is even a discussion this offseason? Ridder haters, Ridder doubters, whatever you want to call yourselves is just semantics. You admit his four games are a "ridiculously small sample size," but with true hypocrisy, you then use that to say Ridder will probably not be able to perform in big games because he struggled in the first two games of that ridiculously small sample size. There is no doubt they're going to bring in at least one more QB and very little doubt in my mind there will be competition between every QB in camp for the starter slot. Smith did not make any commitments to Ridder, so nothing is going to be "given" to him before the off-season even starts. If, as Blank declared the other day, the FO and HC are happy with Ridder and heavy competition for QB1 doesn't materialize, I and many others around here feel Ridder with more reps and time with this offensive unit can do a good job running the show. He has a good arm, he has good feet and he's a good leader. No superstar QB needed in an offense that incorporates only a couple dozen pass plays a game anyway. Not saying the Falcons couldn't do better than Ridder, just saying they could spend a whole lot more money and not necessarily get a whole lot more production, or more "W's" as you put it. This team still needs far more than a superstar QB. Godzilla1985, rounz and Bunchy Carter 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swayzee Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Spts1 said: When was that a option? Article? There was another from Jeramiah (sp?) that said the exact same thing. oSI7ENT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, Mr.11 said: Lol and you don't? I'm not out here taking personal shots at people. There are plenty on your side that are tho. Not saying you personally. oSI7ENT and Mr.11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMERICAN NIGHTMARE Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, PokerSteve said: Ridder haters, Ridder doubters, whatever you want to call yourselves is just semantics. You admit his four games are a "ridiculously small sample size," but with true hypocrisy, you then use that to say Ridder will probably not be able to perform in big games because he struggled in the first two games of that ridiculously small sample size. There is no doubt they're going to bring in at least one more QB and very little doubt in my mind there will be competition between every QB in camp for the starter slot. Smith did not make any commitments to Ridder, so nothing is going to be "given" to him before the off-season even starts. If, as Blank declared the other day, the FO and HC are happy with Ridder and heavy competition for QB1 doesn't materialize, I and many others around here feel Ridder with more reps and time with this offensive unit can do a good job running the show. He has a good arm, he has good feet and he's a good leader. No superstar QB needed in an offense that incorporates only a couple dozen pass plays a game anyway. Not saying the Falcons couldn't do better than Ridder, just saying they could spend a whole lot more money and not necessarily get a whole lot more production, or more "W's" as you put it. This team still needs far more than a superstar QB. They were already writing him off in the first half of the Saints game. PokerSteve, Drunken Minotaur Zebra and Godzilla1985 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSI7ENT Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 FWIW I had two sources on the team at that time and Lance was def the choice. Pitts was BPA. Drunken Minotaur Zebra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spts1 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 3 hours ago, Swayzee said: There was another from Jeramiah (sp?) that said the exact same thing. Matt Ryan had a larger cap hit AFTER his restructure BEFORE the 2021 draft, than before. They told the league right then and there what their plans were in the 2021 draft because you can't play games with your intent when it comes to the raw numbers. They made it HARDER to trade Ryan when they restructured and they wasn't sitting Ryan with those kinds of numbers. They told the league right then they were riding with Ryan and not drafting a quarterback. No team wanted to bite on Matt Ryan after the restructure because the Falcons kept kicking money down the road. Ryan was restructuring with the Falcons, but he wasn't giving money back. Frank Reich convinced ownership that Carson Wentz was the problem. The Colts are STILL in salary cap trouble because of Ryan's contract, and thats AFTER they restructed him once. The whole time that the Colts were taking their hit, the Falcons took the biggest hit ever in 2023 for a player not on the roster. That was never the intention. The Watson fiasco pushed Ryan out. Its been a mess. Before the restructure in 2021 with the Falcons: 2022: $41.6 million cap hit ($26.5 million dead money) 2023: $36.6 million cap hit ($8.6 million dead money) After the restructure: 2022: $48.6 million cap hit ($40.5 million dead money) 2023: $43.6 million cap hit ($15.6 million dead money) https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2021/3/16/22334829/matt-ryans-contract-could-impact-falcons-2021-nfl-draft-plans-quarterback After a 2022 restructure with the Colts: The Colts had to do the Falcon thing and restructured in 2022, kicking the money down the road YET AGAIN ( Ryan isn't giving any money back) to 2023. The Colts, today, don't know what to do with him. The restructure brings Ryan’s cap hit in 2022 down from $24.7 million to $18.7 million. Conversely, it will raise his cap hit in 2023 from $28.7 million to $35.7 million. https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/24/indianapolis-colts-salary-cap-update-matt-ryan-contract-restructure/ Where the Colts stand today: The Indianapolis Colts have some big decisions to make this offseason, and one of them surrounds quarterback Matt Ryan’s massive contract. What the Colts will do with Ryan remains a mystery this early in the offseason, and it will be one of the toughest decisions general manager Chris Ballard faces over the next few months. https://coltswire.usatoday.com/lists/indianapolis-colts-matt-ryan-contract-options-release-salary-cap-2023/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 3 hours ago, Swayzee said: There was another from Jeramiah (sp?) that said the exact same thing. That proves nothing. Dude is wrong about most things. https://sportsnaut.com/report-julio-jones-isnt-going-anywhere-despite-social-media-scare/amp/ Godzilla1985 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swayzee Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Vandy said: That proves nothing. Dude is wrong about most things. https://sportsnaut.com/report-julio-jones-isnt-going-anywhere-despite-social-media-scare/amp/ That Jeramiah guy said the same exact thing post draft. Edited February 10 by Swayzee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, Swayzee said: That Jeramiah guy said the same exact thing post draft. They’re all the same, bro….it’s all exaggerated supposition. No GM is going to tell them what they’re thinking. falconidae 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 43 minutes ago, Swayzee said: That Jeramiah guy said the same exact thing post draft. https://www.49erswebzone.com/news/amp-147101/ Seems pretty happy for a guy that just lost his choice for a QB. But, oh yeah, that Jeremiah guy said something. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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