Banana Bandit Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 It's odd for the man that publicly took slings and arrows for Mariota for 14+ weeks won't commit to Ridder. Either Ridder stinks next year and we're in a position to draft a QB He's okay, shows some developable traits continues to grow throughout the season and gets a year 3. he's amazing. Or he's just a middle of the pack QB and the Falcons use their cap space to continue to build their roster for the arrival of a Rookie QB that can come into a comfortable situation. We'd have more data on this potentially if he didn't continue to start ButtPass after said event. oSI7ENT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
408Falcon Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 minutes ago, Banana Bandit said: It's odd for the man that publicly took slings and arrows for Mariota for 14+ weeks won't commit to Ridder. Either Ridder stinks next year and we're in a position to draft a QB He's okay, shows some developable traits continues to grow throughout the season and gets a year 3. he's amazing. Or he's just a middle of the pack QB and the Falcons use their cap space to continue to build their roster for the arrival of a Rookie QB that can come into a comfortable situation. We'd have more data on this potentially if he didn't continue to start ButtPass after said event. QB is extremely important, but we have so much more we need to build. If he can be a game manager and we vamp up our defense, I think the organization will be satisfied. I think he can perform above being just a game manager, especially if we do get some weapons. But we need D badly. He'll be better than Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer in my belief. They won by not turning the ball over. Banana Bandit, Lionzblade and PokerSteve 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, dirtybirds233 said: Again - no there isn't. I'll repeat myself, the only smoke is from sportswriters saying Atlanta is a likely destination given the cap space and draft capital. When reports start coming out about the Falcons being interested that aren't just someone's opinion, then we can talk about smoke. oSI7ENT and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana Bandit Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, 408Falcon said: QB is extremely important, but we have so much more we need to build. If he can be a game manager and we vamp up our defense, I think the organization will be satisfied. I think he can perform above being just a game manager, especially if we do get some weapons. But we need D badly. He'll be better than Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer in my belief. They won by not turning the ball over. If he can be a game manager while we build our team through FA and the draft the next 2-3 years, that's perfect. Anything else is just icing on the cake. People don't realize how depleted this roster was this past season. We're in the long game now. PokerSteve and oSI7ENT 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
408Falcon Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Banana Bandit said: If he can be a game manager while we build our team through FA and the draft the next 2-3 years, that's perfect. Anything else is just icing on the cake. People don't realize how depleted this roster was this past season. We're in the long game now. Spot on man Banana Bandit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 42 minutes ago, FalconofShadows said: Somebody really wants Jackson and seemingly won't accept any other outcome ... man people really wanna relive the Mike Vick Experience You're wrong, and an epic fail on your part to try and put words in my mouth. I reserve the right to come up with my own conclusions based on what is going on. I'll do me, and you can do you boo! Lionzblade, oSI7ENT and PokerSteve 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, 408Falcon said: Spot on man Right, because we were in the long game last year, when we darn near gave the world to DW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
408Falcon Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Boise Falcon Fan said: Right, because we were in the long game last year, when we darn near gave the world to DW... I'm hoping everyone learned from that. Skin doc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana Bandit Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: Right, because we were in the long game last year, when we darn near gave the world to DW... Arthur blank needs to stay out of the kitchen. His meddling and public adorations for players inarguably changed the way the Falcons played, and the contracts TD had to hand out that ruined this team for years. Arthur Smith was literally the Brutus to TD's Julius Caesar. And it triggered both the short term rise, and the long drastic fall, of the Falcons. Edited February 9 by Banana Bandit tbhawksfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, Banana Bandit said: Arthur blank needs to stay out of the kitchen. His meddling and public adorations for players inarguably changed the way the Falcons played, and the contracts TD had to hand out that ruined this team for years. Arthur Smith was literally the Brutus to TD's Julius Caesar. And it triggered both the short term rise rise, and the long drastic fall, of the Falcons. That may be true, but billionaire's will do what billionaire's do. Why? Because they can... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 6 minutes ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: Right, because we were in the long game last year, when we darn near gave the world to DW... 5 minutes ago, 408Falcon said: I'm hoping everyone learned from that. I learned that Arthur Blank has some Jekyll and Hyde in his DNA. 😆 408Falcon and tbhawksfan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana Bandit Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 1 minute ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: That may be true, but billionaire's will do what billionaire's do. Why? Because they can... It's true. Tony Resller has ruined the Atlanta Hawks in one offseason as testament to your statement. Edited February 9 by Banana Bandit tbhawksfan and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 11 minutes ago, Banana Bandit said: If he can be a game manager while we build our team through FA and the draft the next 2-3 years, that's perfect. Anything else is just icing on the cake. People don't realize how depleted this roster was this past season. We're in the long game now. Some of us realized it. Others were talking playoffs and Superbowl. Lmao Lionzblade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 18 minutes ago, Banana Bandit said: It's odd for the man that publicly took slings and arrows for Mariota for 14+ weeks won't commit to Ridder. Commit to Ridder publicly. We have no idea what they've told Ridder. My guess is that they told him that he has a chance to compete for the starting job in 2023 and that he'll have a leg up because he's been in the system. Why is that odd? Huge difference between backing your QB during the season and not giving away your plans during the offseason. There's a great value, particularly with a top ten pick, in not letting on what you're doing with your QB before the draft. PokerSteve, Lionzblade and wnyfalconfan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana Bandit Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, FalconFanSince1969 said: Some of us realized it. Otherwise were talking playoffs and Superbowl. Lmao I'm not going to lie. Initially when AS got hired, I thought it was going to be a 3 year rebuild and started buying into the hype at the end of last year that it was finally year 3, we'd have money, and we'd fix it. I recently came to the realization that it's going to be more like a 5-6 year rebuild to be a real contender. Unless we get really really lucky through draft, free agency, and UFA. By the time we're ready to contend, Arthur Smith will probably be fired, we'll look for a coach to pair with whatever rookie quarterback we draft at that time. But hopefully the offensive and defensive lines/linebackers will be very good at that point. oSI7ENT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana Bandit Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, falconidae said: Commit to Ridder publicly. We have no idea what they've told Ridder. My guess is that they told him that he has a chance to compete for the starting job in 2023 and that he'll have a leg up because he's been in the system. Why is that odd? Huge difference between backing your QB during the season and not giving away your plans during the offseason. There's a great value, particularly with a top ten pick, in not letting on what you're doing with your QB before the draft. It's Odd because Arthur Smith if nothing else is all about Loyalty. He has his previous boss's son on our roster out of loyalty alone. It's all over his coaching staff and Free agent in-season pickups. So it strikes me as odd when that same level doesn't get applied to who is at this point right now, our starter at Quarterback for next year. Edited February 9 by Banana Bandit oSI7ENT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSI7ENT Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 10 minutes ago, Banana Bandit said: I'm not going to lie. Initially when AS got hired, I thought it was going to be a 3 year rebuild and started buying into the hype at the end of last year that it was finally year 3, we'd have money, and we'd fix it. I recently came to the realization that it's going to be more like a 5-6 year rebuild to be a real contender. Unless we get really really lucky through draft, free agency, and UFA. By the time we're ready to contend, Arthur Smith will probably be fired, we'll look for a coach to pair with whatever rookie quarterback we draft at that time. But hopefully the offensive and defensive lines/linebackers will be very good at that point. name ONE rookie head coach in the modern NFL era that got five years to rebuild before producing a winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana Bandit Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jetpac said: name ONE rookie head coach in the modern NFL era that got five years to rebuild before producing a winner Rebuilds can take place through multiple coaching staffs. Bad teams don't automatically get good, sometimes it takes multiple coaching staffs, and the draft picks of multiple GMs to culminate together into a finished product. I never said AS would get 5 years to produce a winner, I said it would take the Falcons at minimum a 5 year rebuild (in which we are year 3 now) to produce a legitimate contender. Arthur Smith or not. Edited February 9 by Banana Bandit oSI7ENT and Lionzblade 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSI7ENT Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 7 minutes ago, Banana Bandit said: Rebuilds can take place through multiple coaching staffs. Bad teams don't automatically get good, sometimes it takes multiple coaching staffs, and the draft picks of multiple GMs to culminate together into a finished product. I never said AS would get 5 years to produce a winner, I said it would take the Falcons at minimum a 5 year rebuild (in which we are year 3 now) to produce a legitimate contender. Arthur Smith or not. I gotcha. Banana Bandit and Lionzblade 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oSI7ENT Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 (edited) Here’s the thing, there’s nothing wrong with these conversations. I’m all for what’s better the team, if Ridder is the guy I’m 100% on board. I think he can grow in to a solid starter. If we choose to go another route i’m interested to see where they go. Edited February 9 by jetpac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, jetpac said: Here’s the thing, there’s nothing wrong with these conversations. I’m all for what better the team is Ridder is the guy. I’m 100% on board I think he can grow in to a solid starter. If we choose to go another route i’m interested to see where they go. The ridder crowd can't accept the fact that some people might not have all that much faith in a 3rd round QB that didn't exactly light it up in 4 starts. They get real mad if you challenge how they think. oSI7ENT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconcheff Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 9 hours ago, Arturo.Zise said: Gotta keep other teams thinking we might be gong QB at 8 if there is one there. Trade down currency becomes stronger. This. End thread. midas_whale and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjcorner Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, Banana Bandit said: It's odd for the man that publicly took slings and arrows for Mariota for 14+ weeks won't commit to Ridder. Either Ridder stinks next year and we're in a position to draft a QB He's okay, shows some developable traits continues to grow throughout the season and gets a year 3. he's amazing. Or he's just a middle of the pack QB and the Falcons use their cap space to continue to build their roster for the arrival of a Rookie QB that can come into a comfortable situation. We'd have more data on this potentially if he didn't continue to start ButtPass after said event. Because during the season you have the squad you riding with for the most part, especially at as critical a position as QB. In the offseason, noone's job should be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconofShadows Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: You're wrong, and an epic fail on your part to try and put words in my mouth. I reserve the right to come up with my own conclusions based on what is going on. I'll do me, and you can do you boo! Will Do boo boo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.11 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 9 hours ago, jetpac said: It’s possible. But why blow smoke for Ridder? I’d assume it be easier to just say he’s the guy. No? Because it creates the impression that the Falcons may still draft/acquire a QB, which they likely will, but we just don't know in what round. No one knows if the FO will draft a QB, and that's exactly how they want it to be. PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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