Did Thomas Dimitroff Not Know The Atlanta Falcons As GM?

[Lethal]

1 minute ago, Bunchy Carter said:

Exactly right

In his defense it’s hard to carve out 11 mins to watch a video when 100% of his mins are dedicated to crying online.

[Bunchy Carter]

18 hours ago, Dr Long Shot said:

Biggest mistake wasn't the Julio trade but the second mega extension instead of flipping him for what could gave been a 1st and a 2nd or maybe even a couple of 1sts.

For clarity's sake. Video guy never said ANYTHING about picking Julio being a mistake. That's some sort of weird narrative that's taken place in this thread when the guy LITERALLY said the exact opposite.

[Lethal]

3 minutes ago, Bunchy Carter said:

For clarity's sake. Video guy never said ANYTHING about picking Julio being a mistake. That's some sort of weird narrative that's taken place in this thread when the guy LITERALLY said the exact opposite.

“It’s not my fault I didn’t watch the whole video and I rushed to judgement, the guy should have gotten to his point quicker”

Amazing 😂 

[Bunchy Carter]

22 hours ago, The Falcon Jedi Knight said:

I mean ... this is kind of stupid hindsight analysis. Could saving those draft picks have built a better team? I think Cleveland got like 5 draft picks from that trade up and not one of them ever did squat for Cleveland. We can argue that Julio Jones actually elevated the Falcons, and I will go on record to say that we would not have made the Superbowl without him. I applaud Dimitroff for that move today just like I did back in 2011. It was a gutsy ballsy move that this franchise had never done before in its history, and in my estimation looking back it paid off. To be honest, we probably could have needed a few more clutch plays from our QB position, and maybe some better Offensive Coordinating in the 2nd Half of the Superbowl... but we had a pretty good team during Julio's run here.

Its easy to look back and call out mistakes but I really disagree with this guys opinion. Dimitroff knew the roster, and he stated that he "was tired of getting beat by elite players" so he wanted to draft one. And he did. It was a good move IMO.

Can you tell me the timestamp where video guy says any of this? It's obvious you just wanted to type something, because video guy CLEARLY was a fan of the julio trade AND (refer to the bolded part of the quote) said almost verbatim what you said.

He literally made your exact argument...but you couldn't wait to disagree with him? Most fascinating...

[Bunchy Carter]

22 hours ago, ATLFalcons11 said:

The Julio pick should have probably made us two time Super Bowl winners. That ain't the pick to shun TD on.

This is NOT what the video said AT ALL. The guy in the video LITERALLY (2:11 mark) says exactly what you're saying. The post you responded to was from someone who was more interested in creating a BS narrative and derailed the entire thread with misinformation.

[Bunchy Carter]

18 hours ago, TheUsualStuff said:

He says the one thing the team lacked was a receiver that could go over the top. Then he says TD went out and got a receiver that could go over the top and was possibly the best Falcon ever... and this is somehow a face-palming bad thing? 
 

Maybe he eventually made a coherent point, but I stopped right there.

Maybe you also listened to the video through some sort of preconceived filter.

He said NOTHING about going up to get Julio as a negative. He QUITE CLEARLY states that going to get julio made "ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD" (verbatim quote) because of how the team was built prior to the pick. Kindly tell me what point in the video you heard him say it was a "face-palming bad thing." 

It's wild how people have selective hearing, and confirmation bias...

[Spts1]

I CAN say that Dimitroff never drafted a tight end at 4.  Me and him are good on just that alone.

[TsuTsu]

So this person thinks a general manager can make it to a Super Bowl without knowing the team?

Edited February 4 by TsuTsu

[TheUsualStuff]

21 minutes ago, Bunchy Carter said:

Maybe you also listened to the video through some sort of preconceived filter.

He said NOTHING about going up to get Julio as a negative. He QUITE CLEARLY states that going to get julio made "ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD" (verbatim quote) because of how the team was built prior to the pick. Kindly tell me what point in the video you heard him say it was a "face-palming bad thing." 

It's wild how people have selective hearing, and confirmation bias...

It's wild how you read that as what I said. I said he was using the going after of Julio which was a good thing, and that is somehow a bad reflection on TD and him not knowing the roster.

He said the one thing missing was a Julio... we went and got a Julio who was probably the best Falcon ever (his words), yet somehow this is presented as some kind of OMG TD DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE ROSTER!!1!

The whole thing was a bunch of rambling nonsense, and it seems many people agree on that.

[RING OF HONOR]

@Bunchy Carter..you got the patience of Job....

Bless you man...

[FlyDirty]

I do think his time was done re: TD- but he was our best GM thus far. He didn’t do great work with the lines. He also seemed a bit too invested in being an “innovator.” Each year was very reactive with buzz words- “fast and explosive “ and that kind of thing.

Yeah- he probably really loves him some Ted Talks…but I think folks mainly objected to his hair cut and bicycle riding. 

[ATLFalcons11]

1 hour ago, Bunchy Carter said:

This is NOT what the video said AT ALL. The guy in the video LITERALLY (2:11 mark) says exactly what you're saying. The post you responded to was from someone who was more interested in creating a BS narrative and derailed the entire thread with misinformation.

I think you misunderstood my post. He's making an assumption that TD didn't know the roster based on a great pick that the video owner admits is a great pick AND because TD admits going against his mentor's advice was tough to do.

If anything taking the leap and going against his mentor's and a very well respected person advice is more of an indication that TD DOES know his team. 

No matter which way you slice it, again the Julio pick isn't a pick to shun TD on.

[Bunchy Carter]

35 minutes ago, ATLFalcons11 said:

I think you misunderstood my post. He's making an assumption that TD didn't know the roster based on a great pick that the video owner admits is a great pick AND because TD admits going against his mentor's advice was tough to do.

If anything taking the leap and going against his mentor's and a very well respected person advice is more of an indication that TD DOES know his team. 

No matter which way you slice it, again the Julio pick isn't a pick to shun TD on.

I think there's room for misunderstanding here, also in a weird way I think we're close to saying the same thing. 

[ATLFalcons11]

4 minutes ago, Bunchy Carter said:

I think there's room for misunderstanding here, also in a weird way I think we're close to saying the same thing. 

I think so too. Lol

[Vandy]

5 hours ago, Bunchy Carter said:

What's dumb about it?

Kidding, right?

To be clear, not saying you, but the commentary is a bunch of rambling #######. 

[Falcons_Frenzy]

18 hours ago, Spts1 said:

I CAN say that Dimitroff never drafted a tight end at 4.  Me and him are good on just that alone.

But if you picked a Rob Gronkowski or a Travis Kelsey type player there and he helped you win a championship or even multiple championships would it really be a mistake? 

[UnrealfalcoN]

Can't believe a thread about some random armchair GM rambling with a decade of hindsight got to page 5. Impressive

How hilarious is his tagline "It's not that hard!" is he a scout, a former GM, or anything of relevance at all?

[Falcons_Frenzy]

8 minutes ago, Spts1 said:

Gronkowski was picked in the 2nd round and Kelsey in the 3rd.  They were drafted relative to their draft value and won championships.  Atlanta HAS to win a championship, no IFS, according to what you said, to justify drafting Pitts that high.  He was over drafted.  The problems goes further. I've been watching NFL football since 1972.  I don't recall there ever been a head coach hired before the GM with a NFL franchise.  I'm not saying it hasn't happened before, but I don't recall it ever happening.  Smith comes in and the Falcons draft a tight end at 4.  Thats a WIN NOW move. 

No way Fontenot, a first year GM, looks at that Falcon roster and say that is the move he should make.  If he did, he should have been let go right then and there.  No, thats a Smith defacto GM move.  Mariota, ex Tennessee player. Smith move.  This is what happens when a head coach who shouldn't have final say on roster, has final say on roster.  Fontenot is a figure head.  A GM in control would have either drafted a franchise quarterback because Ryan was getting old OR trade back to help fill them holes.  

The correct move would have been the trade back because they could have kept Ryan one more season and got production out of him regardless. The trade value (they DO have a formula) for the 4th pick of the first round is a MINIMUM of the 16th pick in the first round and the 21st pick in the first round.  MINIMUM. Drafting Pitts at 4 cost them a additional first round pick STRAIGHT UP.  Thats the first move you attempt.  Another move would have been trading back to 16 in the first round and picked up TWO picks from 50 through 63 in the second round or one pick in the second and two in the third.

 

You prioritize where a player should be picked based on position waaaaay too much. I'm not saying you take a punter #1 but if a player is a player then where you picked them is irrelevant. Where Gronk and Kelsey were actually drafted wasn't my point. My point is if Pitts has their type of impact it's worth the 4th pick in a draft.

Saying they have to win a Super Bowl because he was picked there is a bit unfair unless that is your expectation for everyone picked there. It's a team sport. Pitts could end up being the greatest TE ever and Atlanta never sniff a championship. Doesn't make it a bad pick. 

There's no way you can know the correct move even at this point with hindsight. They could have traded down and drafted all busts. You also assume a trade down is a given. It takes two to tango. TF and AS picked the player they believed to be the best available at the time. Nobody can argue that method. You're also using hindsight to evaluate a Falcon roster that nobody had any clue where it stood. It wasn't far removed from Super Bowl calibur but had the most inept coaching. 

As for the HC having some say on the roster it is absolutely essential. If you give a head coach a bunch of square pegs for a round hole and expect success it's highly unlikely. 

[ItsJustMe]

On 2/3/2023 at 9:54 PM, Freddies 3rd Cuz said:

What TF and AS has done and are doing....just wow. 

I agree to a point, but being the Not For Long league if he doesn't have a winning season with a playoff birth, his tenure here (season 3) is in serious Jeopardy.

[FalconFanSince1969]

37 minutes ago, Falcons_Frenzy said:

You prioritize where a player should be picked based on position waaaaay too much. I'm not saying you take a punter #1 but if a player is a player then where you picked them is irrelevant. Where Gronk and Kelsey were actually drafted wasn't my point. My point is if Pitts has their type of impact it's worth the 4th pick in a draft.

Saying they have to win a Super Bowl because he was picked there is a bit unfair unless that is your expectation for everyone picked there. It's a team sport. Pitts could end up being the greatest TE ever and Atlanta never sniff a championship. Doesn't make it a bad pick. 

There's no way you can know the correct move even at this point with hindsight. They could have traded down and drafted all busts. You also assume a trade down is a given. It takes two to tango. TF and AS picked the player they believed to be the best available at the time. Nobody can argue that method. You're also using hindsight to evaluate a Falcon roster that nobody had any clue where it stood. It wasn't far removed from Super Bowl calibur but had the most inept coaching. 

As for the HC having some say on the roster it is absolutely essential. If you give a head coach a bunch of square pegs for a round hole and expect success it's highly unlikely. 

I know for a fact that Parsons was the correct move, even in hindsight. That rings true for every team up till pick 2

[Falcons_Frenzy]

1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

I know for a fact that Parsons was the correct move, even in hindsight. That rings true for every team up till pick 2

At this point and time sure. Parsons also didn't play in the final season if I remember correctly thanks to the pandemic. Meanwhile Pitts had 10 TD's. 

Who knows. If Parsons was in Atlanta maybe he's a nobody while Pitts in Dallas is a superstar. Just seems petty or a vendetta for people to dis the pick. The guy had over 1,000 yards his rookie year. Maybe he repeats that and adds to it if he doesn't have a blind pineapple throwing the ball and an illegal hit ending his season. 

[Falcons_Frenzy]

1 hour ago, Spts1 said:

Unfair? Your statement was about Gronk and Kelsey winning a Superbowl.  That became the measure when YOU stated it. In fact, even without you stating it, 4 is a impact position in the draft. No way Atlanta gets on the phone with ANY other franchise yesterday, today or tomorrow, and gets a first for Pitts.  As far as trade partners, the 49ers traded up PAST the Falcons to get a qb. The Bears traded up from the bottom of the first to get a qb. Atlanta locked in on Pitts because thats what  Smith wanted to do. The entire time he has been the defacto GM, every impact move in the draft and free agency has been on his offense.  The defense has been mostly practice level players and players left over that Dimitroff drafted.

Smith made it WORST by under utilizing Pitts.  Don't say that didn't happen because he had to go into a press conference and state "this isn't fantasy football."  What is it then?  He made a fantasy football pick, and then didn't use Pitts.  Its laughable.  Thats why this board and the media kept bringing it up.

Well, if the expectation is a Super Bowl win for Pitts that is the exact same expectation for any player you wanted there or any imanagable scenario you want to create. Did teams trade up? Sure. The 49ers traded up weeks prior to the draft. What did they offer the Falcons? The Bears traded up waaaaay after the Falcons picked so that is an unreasonable statement. Teams were unwilling to give until the value reached what? The 11th pick? Reaching my friend. 

The problem with Pitts production resulted when the owner went all in for Watson and failed to get him. That set the dominos to fall to having that piece of 5heet Mariota at QB. 

If you got a problem with how things went down take a look at Blank. It's his team, his rules. We're just along for the ride.

 

[Freddies 3rd Cuz]

8 hours ago, ItsJustMe said:

I agree to a point, but being the Not For Long league if he doesn't have a winning season with a playoff birth, his tenure here (season 3) is in serious Jeopardy.

Blank is a stubborn highly intelligent man. He will sail with TF AS one more year even not making the playoffs this year. I do think if Ridder or QB play is decent we make the playoffs so we'll never know. 

TF had one **** of a mess to clean up....a CAP HAIL TALENT DEFICIENT roster. It would be unfair to fire them before year four. They've been playing against a stacked deck.  

[runshoot]

Yeah this guy is why youtube is around. People who think they can make good points, but in reality, ramble and never quite make the point. Jared Goff and Mahomes were used in the same "point" he was rambling on about for 7 mins.

Basement GM's are just the worst.

[Herr Doktor]

The only real issue with the Dimiteoff years to me felt cultural/schematic.  We lacked a face or a core belief in who we were.  Different schemes, trying to find players when defenses and running games kept changing.  I always saw the Falcons as a potentially good team that seemed to lack something.  I don't know, but it felt like a lack of faith in what we were doing and we would often win despite that.