falconfreak1 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 5 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: I do not get this guys point about TD at all.... I didn’t get it either. Vandy and Dem Birds 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 37 minutes ago, RING OF HONOR said: I see some delusional post.....this regime has had nothing to work with... they've fixed our cap issues...while incorporating a culture of hard and never quit work ethic.... The players you complain about are good players......they don't have the supporting cast....I see it....I'm sorry you don't... When they add the pieces....and some of the starters become depth maybe you will.....I'll be the cafeteria man.... waiting to serve you your crow..... 7 wins with nothing.....and you still can't see it? Some folks will always complain even if we win a SB. Life is so miserable for them they never see light at the end of the tunnel. Just tunnel vision. Bless me, hope things get better and they see something positive in life. What TF and AS has done and are doing....just wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RING OF HONOR Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, Freddies 3rd Cuz said: What TF and AS has done and are doing....just wow My man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, Freddies 3rd Cuz said: Some folks will always complain even if we win a SB. Life is so miserable for them they never see light at the end of the tunnel. Just tunnel vision. Bless me, hope things get better and they see something positive in life. What TF and AS has done and are doing....just wow. Boo hoo we don't see the team the same way as you..... You want group think so bad. And then you try to claim that just because we don't see roses 100% of the time with the team that it somehow translates to ours lives.... This stupid team is the most depressing thing in my life. But I can't stop cause I'm a falcons fan. Swayzee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 I'm confused. I couldn't finish it. He is saying that Dimitroff didn't know the roster but then went on to say all the reasons why trading for Julio was the right thing? What am I missing? Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 19 minutes ago, falconfreak1 said: I didn’t get it either. It doesn't make sense lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImElPresidente Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Drunken Minotaur Zebra said: Breh... really? TF has turned **** to gold as far as I can see. We have 3+ UDFA/journeymans getting significant time and play (Abdullah, Horne, Alford, the turnstile at LG), Ridder looks to be at minimum a starter if not backup/trade bait, London home run, Pitts home run, Allgeier is top 3 of the RB class, AK is a pro-bowler in waiting, etc. This is night and day compared to TD. Yes really😂, like I said he’s hit on maybe 3 i.e Pitts, London, Allgeier and maybe AK. The rest are nothing special or haven’t shown anything special as of right now. Again like I said, it does take time for some players to develop!! And I’m talking about TF’s draft picks alone not udfa or free agent players. And just because udfa players and journeyman are starting or getting significant playing time doesn’t mean they are good it just shows how thin we are at those positions! tbhawksfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Freddies 3rd Cuz said: But you do agree they deserve next year and the next right. I think worse scenario next year will be 8-9 wins unless QB flops. I think they would deserve another year to rectify that to get to a 10-11 win season. At the same time it's a business that demands a ROI quickly and after three yrs the arrow better be pointing up. Blank is a smart man albeit a little to meddling at times. He needs to let TF AS do their thing and not force Lamar Jackson down there throat. They definitely deserve next year but I have to see tangible results. IE division winner or playoffs has to be the goal if we flounder with the FA money and a full load of picks there in trouble big trouble.500 or under the pressure will become almost untenable. N ot F or L ong. Swayzee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: I'm not saying that as an endorsement of me..... I'm saying that Julio wanted out so he got traded. They pursued Watson and Matt wanted out so he got traded. Debo was garbage so he got traded. The cap literally fixed itself. It's not some great accomplishment. Exactly, we are one Cleveland Browns away from being married to the worst contract in sports history for a guy that's at best a sick perv and at worst a serial sex offender all while losing at least one of Grady or Terrell or both. So yes, not so giddy about this regime so far. London pick looks solid though really feels like another overdraft especially considering our myriad of holes on defense. Every other pick outside of maybe Grant looks sus af. We have virtual infinite cap room to bring in free agents so the excuse is as good as gone starting next year. Edited February 4 by Dr Long Shot FalconFanSince1969 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Thing is here every new regime coming into a new job is coming into a team with issues this is why they got the job in the first place.The idea that TF and co had issues coming in is a moot one. I mean TD had the samething just different types. The difference here is TD first 6 seasons were basically home runs for this franchise.This stuff we are seeing with TF are basically what we are used to record wise in the past. I think fans just got tired of the direction we were pointing and like AB the results weren’t coming so he was let go. AS and TFs turn all we can do is hope for better but make no mistake the first years of TD were light years better than what we have seen so far. ukfalc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 4 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Ak has shown little.... Pro bowler in waiting is just foolish optimism. Pitts has been far from the best option at pick 4 in that class. Parsons, Sewell, surtain, ect all would have been better picks. All of these udfa are getting significant time because the team is so bad. You think they're playing on the eagles? Grant has looked bad. Andersen has looked really bad. It is night and day versus td because with TD we was in the playoffs instantly. We were in the playoffs instantly because we signed a bunch of great FAs (which we couldn't do because we had no cap at all this year) and drafted a generational QB. That happens once in a lifetime for some teams... hopefully not us. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 hours ago, ImElPresidente said: Yes really😂, like I said he’s hit on maybe 3 i.e Pitts, London, Allgeier and maybe AK. The rest are nothing special or haven’t shown anything special as of right now. Again like I said, it does take time for some players to develop!! And I’m talking about TF’s draft picks alone not udfa or free agent players. And just because udfa players and journeyman are starting or getting significant playing time doesn’t mean they are good it just shows how thin we are at those positions! Yet with said UDFAs we almost won the division if not for the lone wolf shenanigans of Marcus WTFiota. He sold at least 3 games and cost us a playoff spot. This is in a division that had Tom Brady on a SB winning (if not depleted and old) team. You could say that's coaching... well chicken or egg... it's all hand in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 People always say “TD couldnt find pass rushers”. Do you really think he’s single handily made the decisions on who to draft? Do people really believe that TD, for instance, singularly decided to draft Takk over TJ Watt, with zero input from Quinn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImElPresidente Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 33 minutes ago, Drunken Minotaur Zebra said: Yet with said UDFAs we almost won the division if not for the lone wolf shenanigans of Marcus WTFiota. He sold at least 3 games and cost us a playoff spot. This is in a division that had Tom Brady on a SB winning (if not depleted and old) team. You could say that's coaching... well chicken or egg... it's all hand in hand. Please for the love of God don’t act like this was a playoff team!🤡🤡 Don’t even get me started on the season we had😂😂!! Could barely beat teams with backup QBs like Jacoby Brissett, and David Blough! Plus lost to Tyler Huntley, Andy Dalton, Taylor Heinicke, and PJ Walker. The only good team we played with a good QB was the Bengals and Joe Burrow railed our defense like we got our players from a college for the blind. Realsurfin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Drunken Minotaur Zebra said: We were in the playoffs instantly because we signed a bunch of great FAs (which we couldn't do because we had no cap at all this year) and drafted a generational QB. That happens once in a lifetime for some teams... hopefully not us. Nope the 2 key FAs signed were Michael Turner and Jason Elam the kicker. In all actuality those 2 were the key acquisitions all the rest were fillers. Also remember back then there was no rookie cap so Matt Ryan was paid max coin as a rookie aswell so that also hindered talent acquisition in FA also. Also as for having no money the Falcons had a package good to go to get Watson 240 plus mill last year even though they were carrying an nfl record in dead money. So the having less money is a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 22 minutes ago, Snafu said: People always say “TD couldnt find pass rushers”. Do you really think he’s single handily made the decisions on who to draft? Do people really believe that TD, for instance, singularly decided to draft Takk over TJ Watt, with zero input from Quinn? Facts. But again that’s on his scouts and himself making calls on players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 I’ve said for years that TD doesn’t get enough credit for the way he turned this team around in 08 and made us a contender who should have won 2 SB’s. The team he inherited was widely considered at the time to be the worst in the NFL. They should have been 3+ Years away from even being competitive. What he did in 08 was up there with the best FO accomplishments I’ve seen. TF and AS have done a good job in difficult circumstances so far. We have a foundation in place, but we now need to start seeing results and improvements. I hope we’ve struck gold with Ridder (or have a good plan to get a franchise QB), because I think AS’s future is going depend on it. Vandy and kiwifalcon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhawksfan Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 10 hours ago, Falcons_Frenzy said: I don't know what the heck this guy is ranting about. The nail in the coffin was trading up for Takk McKinley. The nail in the coffin was going 7-9, 7-9 and 4-12 Swayzee, Falcons_Frenzy and Vandy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhawksfan Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Ryan was 10 times more important to the Falcon's success than JJ and we didn't have to trade the farm to get him Freddies 3rd Cuz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthGaBoy Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 8 hours ago, Dem Birds said: I'm confused. I couldn't finish it. He is saying that Dimitroff didn't know the roster but then went on to say all the reasons why trading for Julio was the right thing? What am I missing? He spoke with broken statements. His message was in conflict. He tried to emphasize that if you have a very good QB and 2 very good lines, you are going to win a lot of games. As well, Michael Turner was abusing defenses. Then, he tried to layer in that adding an exceptional player like JJ should put you over the top. I am not going to disagree with this, but I just provided more connection and more conclusion than he did in his very long and rambling message. I think he is confounded we did not win more. We did have the offensive players. The defense was up and down during this time frame. Play calling was suspect. I think Mike Smith was happy with possession receivers and a robust running game. Then, AB wanted to get explosive. I do not know how much effort was made to ensure Mike Smith was going to buy into this. Owners and GMs should not coach. Mike Smith is out of the NFL. I think Thomas Dimitroff is done as well. So, what is the point? It is the off season and this guy needed to vent. Now, on to something relevant. I believe the job Arthur Smith and Terry Fontenot have done with limited resources is indicative of the great future the Falcons have. We should be good in 2023 and should show signs of a dominating team by 2024. I am going to enjoy this ride. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 8 hours ago, Drunken Minotaur Zebra said: Yet with said UDFAs we almost won the division if not for the lone wolf shenanigans of Marcus WTFiota. He sold at least 3 games and cost us a playoff spot. This is in a division that had Tom Brady on a SB winning (if not depleted and old) team. You could say that's coaching... well chicken or egg... it's all hand in hand. This was the worst division in football and we went 2-6. Tampa got destroyed in the playoffs just like any team in this division would have. Spare me the playoff line. tbhawksfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 34 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: This was the worst division in football and we went 2-6. Tampa got destroyed in the playoffs just like any team in this division would have. Spare me the playoff line. Is 1969 also the last time you got laid cuz my goodness my guy… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 18 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: He says TD didn't know the roster and then just rattles off a bunch of players. He's ****ting on the Julio move when that move should have won us a super bowl and was probably the best move in franchise history. Maybe **** on TD for not being able to find a pass rusher. Not one of the things he did right that turned us into a super bowl team. I can agree with him. The motivation to draft Julio was not Roddy White not being able to stretch the field though. We had just be ousted in the playoffs vs Aaron Rodgers and the Packers. In that particular game, we did not stop them on one possession. The only time that we caught a break, was on a fumble when the guy dropped the ball. They were moving on that drive. Instead of Dimitroff making the defense better, he decided to focus on the offense. Julio was great for us, but did we actually need a great receiver? tbhawksfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 19 minutes ago, Lethal said: Is 1969 also the last time you got laid cuz my goodness my guy… Personal attacks cause y'all can't handle a different opinion. Stay classy. tbhawksfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 13 hours ago, Freddies 3rd Cuz said: Some folks will always complain even if we win a SB. Life is so miserable for them they never see light at the end of the tunnel. Just tunnel vision. Bless me, hope things get better and they see something positive in life. What TF and AS has done and are doing....just wow. I'm one of AS's biggest supporters but strictly looking at what TF has done so far, there's not much to hype up. I know he hasn't been able to sign big FA's, and I am giving him a mulligan for that, but he hasn't done much so far besides let our cap space filter back in. Vandy and Freddies 3rd Cuz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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