TheUsualStuff Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 What the **** is he he prattling on about? Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Biggest mistake wasn't the Julio trade but the second mega extension instead of flipping him for what could gave been a 1st and a 2nd or maybe even a couple of 1sts. Voice of Reason, FalconFanSince1969, Freddies 3rd Cuz and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampyMux12 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 3 hours ago, The Falcon Jedi Knight said: I mean ... this is kind of stupid hindsight analysis. Could saving those draft picks have built a better team? I think Cleveland got like 5 draft picks from that trade up and not one of them ever did squat for Cleveland. We can argue that Julio Jones actually elevated the Falcons, and I will go on record to say that we would not have made the Superbowl without him. I applaud Dimitroff for that move today just like I did back in 2011. It was a gutsy ballsy move that this franchise had never done before in its history, and in my estimation looking back it paid off. To be honest, we probably could have needed a few more clutch plays from our QB position, and maybe some better Offensive Coordinating in the 2nd Half of the Superbowl... but we had a pretty good team during Julio's run here. Its easy to look back and call out mistakes but I really disagree with this guys opinion. Dimitroff knew the roster, and he stated that he "was tired of getting beat by elite players" so he wanted to draft one. And he did. It was a good move IMO. It wasn't as far of a trade up, but we gave up the #5, our 3rd rounder and a 2nd in 2002 to move up 4 spots for Vick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: Make no mistake TD too inherited such a mess. This is the year for this regime if they don’t get us playoff bound with a 3rd draft and a flush with cash FA the seat gets warmer for them. Remember also 5 of the first 6 seasons under TD the team made the playoffs and probably 2010-12 should have won or competed for a SB.The GM was also Exec of the year twice in those years. He did. Drafted MR2 good move. Had way more money to work with in FA than TF. Brought in MT another good move. Had two good drafts good move. Bottom line that can't be denied - he couldn't find a pass rush or build OL DLs in 14 yrs. Kudos and a Cookie to TD for building a SB roster two out of 14 yrs but never could draft and build a consistent roster with two HFrs. The window finally slammed shut on his fingers after Blanks patience ran out. Time to move on from TD....TROFFED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 I thought one of the bigger mistakes was going away from known Offensive Coaches we already had on the staff when KS left and hired Sark then doubled down on the mistake by hiring Koetter. When we had McDaniel and Leflur up and ready to go. Freddies 3rd Cuz, UnrealfalcoN and Voice of Reason 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUsualStuff Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 He says the one thing the team lacked was a receiver that could go over the top. Then he says TD went out and got a receiver that could go over the top and was possibly the best Falcon ever... and this is somehow a face-palming bad thing? Maybe he eventually made a coherent point, but I stopped right there. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 4 minutes ago, Dr Long Shot said: Biggest mistake wasn't the Julio trade but the second mega extension instead of flipping him for what could gave been a 1st and a 2nd or maybe even a couple of 1sts. Exactly...no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, kiwifalcon said: I thought one of the bigger mistakes was going away from known Offensive Coaches we already had on the staff when KS left and hired Sark then doubled down on the mistake by hiring Koetter. When we had McDaniel and Leflur up and ready to go. Spot on bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, Freddies 3rd Cuz said: He did. Drafted MR2 good move. Had way more money to work with in FA than TF. Brought in MT another good move. Had two good drafts good move. Bottom line that can't be denied - he couldn't find a pass rush or build OL DLs in 14 yrs. Kudos and a Cookie to TD for building a SB roster two out of 14 yrs but never could draft and build a consistent roster with two HFrs. The window finally slammed shut on his fingers after Blanks patience ran out. Time to move on from TD....TROFFED More money he had no coaching staff he was still paying Vick money 2 years into his tenure. He had no QB he had a franchise still stewing after the Vick mess yet still put a playoff team first time up and then repeated that year after year. TD made the Falcons relevant again lol move on if TF and AS don’t nail the next couple of years there history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, TheUsualStuff said: He says the one thing the team lacked was a receiver that could go over the top. Then he says TD went out and got a receiver that could go over the top and was possibly the best Falcon ever... and this is somehow a face-palming bad thing? Maybe he eventually made a coherent point, but I stopped right there. Maybe he meant getting that over the top receiver without giving up the out house to sacrifice building a better roster. IDk but that's what I got. It can be taken either way I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Another mistake was some of the FA signings along the way. Ray Edwards Dunta Robinson Sam Baker extension and trying to keep the SB band together which set the table for the cap mess we are in now. I can see why TD and probably AB influenced this but as mentioned in an earlier post the coaching hires in my eyes hurt us also. In all essence we haven’t recovered from our window seasons 15-18 and are as above still paying the price. Freddies 3rd Cuz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: More money he had no coaching staff he was still paying Vick money 2 years into his tenure. He had no QB he had a franchise still stewing after the Vick mess yet still put a playoff team first time up and then repeated that year after year. TD made the Falcons relevant again lol move on if TF and AS don’t nail the next couple of years there history. TF and AS will make the Falcons relevant again, just watch. Now on the other hand they must find the right QB to take it to the top. Let's hope DR is that QB. TD got that part right the first day. The other part called trenches is something he never got right in many of light years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, kiwifalcon said: Another mistake was some of the FA signings along the way. Ray Edwards Dunta Robinson Sam Baker extension and trying to keep the SB band together which set the table for the cap mess we are in now. I can see why TD and probably AB influenced this but as mentioned in an earlier post the coaching hires in my eyes hurt us also. In all essence we haven’t recovered from our window seasons 15-18 and are as above still paying the price. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, Freddies 3rd Cuz said: TF and AS will make the Falcons relevant again, just watch. Now on the other hand they must find the right QB to take it to the top. Let's hope DR is that QB. TD got that part right the first day. The other part called trenches is something he never got right in many of light years. Agreed they will be handcuffed until they find there guy at QB.Yes they are forging an identity on offense running the ball. This is why this year is so important if they don’t get back in the red and playoff contention I think they could be in trouble in years 4 and 5. Results are key excuses won’t cut it I think both TF and AS understand this. Freddies 3rd Cuz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 13 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: Agreed they will be handcuffed until they find there guy at QB.Yes they are forging an identity on offense running the ball. This is why this year is so important if they don’t get back in the red and playoff contention I think they could be in trouble in years 4 and 5. Results are key excuses won’t cut it I think both TF and AS understand this. But you do agree they deserve next year and the next right. I think worse scenario next year will be 8-9 wins unless QB flops. I think they would deserve another year to rectify that to get to a 10-11 win season. At the same time it's a business that demands a ROI quickly and after three yrs the arrow better be pointing up. Blank is a smart man albeit a little to meddling at times. He needs to let TF AS do their thing and not force Lamar Jackson down there throat. Edited February 4 by Freddies 3rd Cuz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 4 hours ago, ImElPresidente said: I mean TF hasn’t drafted very well so far either?? It takes time to truly know for sure but as it stands right now he’s maybe hit on 3 of 17 total picks. Breh... really? TF has turned **** to gold as far as I can see. We have 3+ UDFA/journeymans getting significant time and play (Abdullah, Horne, Alford, the turnstile at LG), Ridder looks to be at minimum a starter if not backup/trade bait, London home run, Pitts home run, Allgeier is top 3 of the RB class, AK is a pro-bowler in waiting, etc. This is night and day compared to TD. Freddies 3rd Cuz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, Drunken Minotaur Zebra said: Breh... really? TF has turned **** to gold as far as I can see. We have 3+ UDFA/journeymans getting significant time and play (Abdullah, Horne, Alford, the turnstile at LG), Ridder looks to be at minimum a starter if not backup/trade bait, London home run, Pitts home run, Allgeier is top 3 of the RB class, AK is a pro-bowler in waiting, etc. This is night and day compared to TD. Ak has shown little.... Pro bowler in waiting is just foolish optimism. Pitts has been far from the best option at pick 4 in that class. Parsons, Sewell, surtain, ect all would have been better picks. All of these udfa are getting significant time because the team is so bad. You think they're playing on the eagles? Grant has looked bad. Andersen has looked really bad. It is night and day versus td because with TD we was in the playoffs instantly. Freddies 3rd Cuz and Dr Long Shot 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 30 minutes ago, Freddies 3rd Cuz said: Exactly...no doubt It's easy to make the call in hindsight. It would have been an extremely unpopular move at the time. But man, it would have been the right call. If he had done it's very possible he's still the GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Ak has shown little.... Pro bowler in waiting is just foolish optimism. Pitts has been far from the best option at pick 4 in that class. Parsons, Sewell, surtain, ect all would have been better picks. All of these udfa are getting significant time because the team is so bad. You think they're playing on the eagles? Grant has looked bad. Andersen has looked really bad. It is night and day versus td because with TD we was in the playoffs instantly. I agree except I think Grant has actually looked solid. But every other move you list is definitely questionable. Especially the Pitts pick. Even if we disregard this year as a fluke and assume he'll be perennial 1000 yard guy like he was his rookie year, it's still probably not the right move. Andersen as well. I HATE drafting projects. They never pan out. Freddies 3rd Cuz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunchy Carter Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 4 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Ak has shown little.... Pro bowler in waiting is just foolish optimism. Pitts has been far from the best option at pick 4 in that class. Parsons, Sewell, surtain, ect all would have been better picks. All of these udfa are getting significant time because the team is so bad. You think they're playing on the eagles? Grant has looked bad. Andersen has looked really bad. It is night and day versus td because with TD we was in the playoffs instantly. Agreed. AK has shown flashes of potential. I don't think "ProBowl in waiting" is anywhere NEAR reality based on his rookie year. I'm on record here for not being a fan of the Pitts pick. I definitely wanted Sewell. Richie Grant is the Ade Ogundeji of the secondary. tbhawksfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RING OF HONOR Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 I see some delusional post.....this regime has had nothing to work with... they've fixed our cap issues...while incorporating a culture of hard and never quit work ethic.... The players you complain about are good players......they don't have the supporting cast....I see it....I'm sorry you don't... When they add the pieces....and some of the starters become depth maybe you will.....I'll be the cafeteria man.... waiting to serve you your crow..... 7 wins with nothing.....and you still can't see it? NorthGaBoy, Freddies 3rd Cuz and Mid-Nite-Toker 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 18 minutes ago, RING OF HONOR said: I see some delusional post.....this regime has had nothing to work with... they've fixed our cap issues...while incorporating a culture of hard and never quit work ethic.... The players you complain about are good players......they don't have the supporting cast....I see it....I'm sorry you don't... When they add the pieces....and some of the starters become depth maybe you will.....I'll be the cafeteria man.... waiting to serve you your crow..... 7 wins with nothing.....and you still can't see it? I could have fixed the cap issues. It's not hard to cut or deal a high priced player and eat a bunch of dead money. Not sure how that deserves credit. tbhawksfan and Voice of Reason 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RING OF HONOR Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: I could have fixed the cap issues. It's not hard to cut or deal a high priced player and eat a bunch of dead money. Not sure how that deserves credit. We're lucky to have you ....as so many professional teams are in cap he!!..... TheTrue7 and NorthGaBoy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, RING OF HONOR said: We're lucky to have you ....as so many professional teams are in cap he!!..... I'm not saying that as an endorsement of me..... I'm saying that Julio wanted out so he got traded. They pursued Watson and Matt wanted out so he got traded. Debo was garbage so he got traded. The cap literally fixed itself. It's not some great accomplishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookieBird Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 I guess there is nothing new to talk about the 2023 Falcons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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