jetpac Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 https://www.nfl.com/news/sidelines/super-bowl-bound-eagles-among-nfl-teams-succeeding-with-aggressive-moves This article is why I think we will go outside the box and do what a ton of posters here will hate come draft day/free agency. I believe we will shore up the QB position. As I’ve said over and over and over, you don’t get 4-5 years to really flesh out and see if x y and z works in the NFL. Producing a winner is the most important thing. Sure in theory it sounds good to have Des learn and grow and try to lead this roster and they may well be the case, but I believe TF and AS know the sense of urgency is real. Again all my opinion and I could be 1000% wrong. Either way I think we all can agree this is going to be one of the most interesting off-season we’ve had in a decade. falconsd56, Herr Doktor, Rings and 5 others 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.11 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 This article is confirmation bias. Ridder is going to start Week 1 next season. Bunchy Carter, jetpac, Lionzblade and 3 others 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonDaLuvMaker Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Yeah, Howie Roseman is very aggressive. The offseason he and the Eagles had this season could go down in history as one of the greatest. jetpac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetpac Posted February 2 Author Share Posted February 2 This quote right here sums it up. It's about right now," said Rams scouting consultant Ray Farmer, who was the Browns' GM in 2014 and '15 before joining Los Angeles in 2017. "Nobody has the time to spend five years building your team. You have to figure out how to get your quarterback and your other players. And if you don't win now, you're fired." tbhawksfan, Swayzee, falconsd56 and 3 others 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.11 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 5 minutes ago, DonDaLuvMaker said: Yeah, Howie Roseman is very aggressive. The offseason he and the Eagles had this season could go down in history as one of the greatest. Hurts' development allowed him to make those moves. This is year 3 since Hurts started in place of Wentz. Just the same, if Ridder develops according to or ahead of schedule, that will allow the Falcons to make aggressive moves to build the rest of the team out. The Rams traded the farm because they already had a championship caliber team. They were literally a QB away. The Falcons aren't even close to being in that position, and trying to trade for one or spend big money on one in FA will set this team back as much as trading for Julio did. Julio was a great player but as FFS70 used to say, he really was a shiny hood ornament, cause TD never could build a solid defense to compliment the offense. Keys, PokerSteve, Herr Doktor and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonDaLuvMaker Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, jetpac said: This quote right here sums it up. It's about right now," said Rams scouting consultant Ray Farmer, who was the Browns' GM in 2014 and '15 before joining Los Angeles in 2017. "Nobody has the time to spend five years building your team. You have to figure out how to get your quarterback and your other players. And if you don't win now, you're fired." Yep, especially nowadays. Days of slow methodical long-term building of teams are long gone. mtldirtybird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonDaLuvMaker Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Mr.11 said: Hurts' development allowed him to make those moves. This is year 3 since Hurts started in place of Wentz. Just the same, if Ridder develops according to or ahead of schedule, that will allow the Falcons to make aggressive moves to build the rest of the team out. The Rams traded the farm because they already had a championship caliber team. They were literally a QB away. The Falcons aren't even close to being in that position, and trying to trade for one or spend big money on one in FA will set this team back as much as trading for Julio did. Julio was a great player but as FFS70 used to say, he really was a shiny hood ornament, cause TD never could build a solid defense to compliment the offense. Hurts helped, but Roseman was very aggressive long before that. He also put together that 2017 Eagles SB team with getting aggressive in FA and some of the drafts leading up to that season. falconsd56, ZoneOne01 and jetpac 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 15 minutes ago, Mr.11 said: This article is confirmation bias. Ridder is going to start Week 1 next season. That's confirmation bias. jetpac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.11 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: That's confirmation bias. How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Mr.11 said: How so? How isnt it? You're sitting there guaranteeing something that nobody in the organization will. Ridder did not show nearly enough to unquestionably be handed the reigns... Rings, jetpac, Boise Falcon Fan and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 21 minutes ago, jetpac said: This quote right here sums it up. It's about right now," said Rams scouting consultant Ray Farmer, who was the Browns' GM in 2014 and '15 before joining Los Angeles in 2017. "Nobody has the time to spend five years building your team. You have to figure out how to get your quarterback and your other players. And if you don't win now, you're fired." That is what I keep telling people. People want to give TF and Smith 2.0 all these passes... But at the end of the day they knew what they were signing up for and if they don't win they'll be fired just like everyone else. This offseason will be big for them because the excuses are gone. They don't have any cap restrictions, they have another top 10 pick and I think we have eight or nine total draft picks. If they can't win after three off seasons including three top 10 picks does somebody will be fired. I'm not saying that will be Smith nor am I saying that would be TF but somebody's going to be fired. And whoever is left standing has a seat that is very warm. Malachore, UnrealfalcoN, Swayzee and 3 others 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, falconsd56 said: That is what I keep telling people. People want to give TF and Smith 2.0 all these passes... But at the end of the day they knew what they were signing up for and if they don't win they'll be fired just like everyone else. This offseason will be big for them because the excuses are gone. They don't have any cap restrictions, they have another top 10 pick and I think we have eight or nine total draft picks. If they can't win after three off seasons including three top 10 picks does somebody will be fired. I'm not saying that will be Smith nor am I saying that would be TF but somebody's going to be fired. And whoever is left standing has a seat that is very warm. Especially with the shape that the rest of the division is in. Swayzee and falconsd56 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Especially with the shape that the rest of the division is in. And the fact that there's an extra wild card spot. There are zero excuses for the Falcons not to make the playoffs in 2023. And you got to think that everybody knows it. Swayzee and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunchy Carter Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 46 minutes ago, jetpac said: https://www.nfl.com/news/sidelines/super-bowl-bound-eagles-among-nfl-teams-succeeding-with-aggressive-moves Sure in theory it sounds good to have Des learn and grow and try to lead this roster and they may well be the case, but I believe TF and AS know the sense of urgency is real. Soooo there's no time for Ridder to learn (even though he'd have a head start on any rookie)? Also...what QB on the FA market makes more sense than Ridder? Factor in age, contract, and scheme fit. Thiccolas Cage, ItsJustMe and Herr Doktor 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, falconsd56 said: And the fact that there's an extra wild card spot. There are zero excuses for the Falcons not to make the playoffs in 2023. And you got to think that everybody knows it. That's why I wouldn't rule out Lamar Jackson. It's as close to guaranteed playoff spot as we are gonna get plus the excitement it would bring would be off the charts. There's too much smoke. I don't want it personally but I guarantee Artie does. falconsd56, jetpac and Boise Falcon Fan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Kildare Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Blank will likely show the same lack of patience he showed Dan Quinn and Thomas Dimitroff which means Arthur is safe until 2025. wnyfalconfan, RunningThePiszOuttaTheBall, shockerfalcon and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Kildare Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: That's why I wouldn't rule out Lamar Jackson. It's as close to guaranteed playoff spot as we are gonna get plus the excitement it would bring would be off the charts. There's too much smoke. I don't want it personally but I guarantee Artie does. With a quarterback who gets injured every year, nothing is guaranteed. Herr Doktor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.11 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 20 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: How isnt it? You're sitting there guaranteeing something that nobody in the organization will. Ridder did not show nearly enough to unquestionably be handed the reigns... Well until there's official blurbs or more information suggesting something to the contrary, I don't see any reason to believe why they wouldn't roll with Ridder as their starter. The point is, new (as in rookie) QBs don't typically hit their stride until year three. Yes the Falcons made the playoffs in Ryan's rookie season, but 2010 is where Ryan really started hitting it off and led the Falcons to the #1 seed in the NFC. Stafford hit his stride in season three when he threw for 5,000+ yards and 40 TDs. Russell Wilson's came a little early, but by his third season he was playing in a second consecutive Super Bowl. Kirk Cousins became a full time starter in his third season. Jared Goff played in his first Super Bowl in year 3. Mahomes became a Super Bowl champion in year 3. Josh Allen hit his stride in year 3. You see the pattern? When you're building a team with a rookie QB, it doesn't make much sense to only plan for two years, unless it's just obvious that he isn't developing. The Eagles laid the groundwork and built a team around Jalen Hurts. There were no guarantees that he was going to be the starting QB of a #1 seed team in the Super Bowl. Yet here we are. Freddies 3rd Cuz and Doctor Kildare 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 6 minutes ago, Doctor Kildare said: Blank will likely show the same lack of patience he showed Dan Quinn and Thomas Dimitroff which means Arthur is safe until 2025. The difference between Quinn/ TD in the current regime is that Quinn actually won his first 3 years. So no Smith isn't safe until 2025 if he doesn't win in 2023. FalconsFanSince194eva and ItsJustMe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, Mr.11 said: Well until there's official blurbs or more information suggesting something to the contrary, I don't see any reason to believe why they wouldn't roll with Ridder as their starter. The point is, new (as in rookie) QBs don't typically hit their stride until year three. Yes the Falcons made the playoffs in Ryan's rookie season, but 2010 is where Ryan really started hitting it off and led the Falcons to the #1 seed in the NFC. Stafford hit his stride in season three when he threw for 5,000+ yards and 40 TDs. Russell Wilson's came a little early, but by his third season he was playing in a second consecutive Super Bowl. Kirk Cousins became a full time starter in his third season. Jared Goff played in his first Super Bowl in year 3. Mahomes became a Super Bowl champion in year 3. Josh Allen hit his stride in year 3. You see the pattern? When you're building a team with a rookie QB, it doesn't make much sense to only plan for two years, unless it's just obvious that he isn't developing. The Eagles laid the groundwork and built a team around Jalen Hurts. There were no guarantees that he was going to be the starting QB of a #1 seed team in the Super Bowl. Yet here we are. Is this going to be the built in excuse for next year already? 'it takes QBs 3 years' Getting it out of the way early ... Again, you're confirming, in your head, something that nobody else has confirmed. That's confirmation bias. falconsd56 and jetpac 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird56 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Fully expect us to roll with Ridder and not do any trading up and thats exactly what I want given our current situation with a legit staff and what I believe will prove to be a cornerstone QB. Gonna be the longest offseason in a while.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 10 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: That's why I wouldn't rule out Lamar Jackson. It's as close to guaranteed playoff spot as we are gonna get plus the excitement it would bring would be off the charts. There's too much smoke. I don't want it personally but I guarantee Artie does. The excitement aspect of it is definitely a reason why I think they're actually something to it. The Falcons need a serious PR move and Jackson would fit the bill for a number of reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, Dirtybird56 said: Fully expect us to roll with Ridder and not do any trading up Which I am cool with as long as they have a viable backup option in case he starts to falter. If we roll into the season with Ridder and Woodside as our quarterbacks then I have a feeling that we will be in for a very long 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Kildare Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, falconsd56 said: The difference between Quinn/ TD in the current regime is that Quinn actually won his first 3 years. So no Smith isn't safe until 2025 if he doesn't win in 2023. The difference between Quinn and Smith is that Smith inherited much more of a mess than Quinn did. 2023 is the first year Smith is operating without tremendous handicaps and no serious minded organization is going to put a coach on the hot seat as soon as he has cleaned up the mess. That is not the history of the patient Blank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 12 minutes ago, Mr.11 said: Well until there's official blurbs or more information suggesting something to the contrary, I don't see any reason to believe why they wouldn't roll with Ridder as their starter. The point is, new (as in rookie) QBs don't typically hit their stride until year three. Yes the Falcons made the playoffs in Ryan's rookie season, but 2010 is where Ryan really started hitting it off and led the Falcons to the #1 seed in the NFC. Stafford hit his stride in season three when he threw for 5,000+ yards and 40 TDs. Russell Wilson's came a little early, but by his third season he was playing in a second consecutive Super Bowl. Kirk Cousins became a full time starter in his third season. Jared Goff played in his first Super Bowl in year 3. Mahomes became a Super Bowl champion in year 3. Josh Allen hit his stride in year 3. You see the pattern? When you're building a team with a rookie QB, it doesn't make much sense to only plan for two years, unless it's just obvious that he isn't developing. The Eagles laid the groundwork and built a team around Jalen Hurts. There were no guarantees that he was going to be the starting QB of a #1 seed team in the Super Bowl. Yet here we are. Also mahomes threw for 50 tds and 5000 yards his first season starting. To lump him into that very incorrect 3 year stat is nonsense. Stafford was Injured his first two years. Kirk cousins became a starter year 4. You added Russell Wilson when it didn't even fit your own criteria. Yea, nothing resembling a pattern there. Just confirmation bias. jetpac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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