Mister pudding Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I am not trashing this guys resume or coaching ability- at all. We all knew Pees' age when he was brought on as the Defensive coordinator of the Falcons. We all knew he retired twice before. We all know in 2021 that he used less than half of his playbook. We all know rookies played very little that year too. Was the plan post-Pees to hand the baton to an assistant to keep what was started going? If we hire someone from the outside, with a new defensive scheme, was the Dean Pees hiring a waste of time? I don't think any rookies we drafted during that time would be an ill fit in another system, but we all saw this coming, right? Vandy, therawest, PokerSteve and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconzfan4ever Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I don't think it was a waste of time, mostly due to the fact that Arthur Smith was a first time HC. Pees' experience and familiarity with AS let him just focus on being a HC and the offense. I'd be surprised if we move away from 3-4, but even if we did I don't think it matters too much because like you said, we don't have many scheme specific players that wouldn't be able to transition. PokerSteve, Mister pudding, Killing Floor and 8 others 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 No. He was a great stop gap while we were in cap purgatory. Our new DC will be able to grab a few toys from FA and implement their own scheme right away. mtldirtybird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriMeTiiMe Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Just now, Falcanuck said: No. He was a great stop gap while we were in cap purgatory. Our new DC will be able to grab a few toys from FA and implement their own scheme right away. PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonDaLuvMaker Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 No because he was never supposed to be a long term plan. He came out of retirement just to help AS establish a foundation/culture. He probably saw it as a 2-3 year thing for himself. Mister pudding, papachaz, Joey563 and 8 others 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey563 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 absolutely not. this is the hardest and most confident i've seen our defense (from top to bottom) play in a very very long time. rounz, mtldirtybird, Falconus Prime and 7 others 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirds233 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) While it was never flashy, the 2022 defense gave up just 20.1 PPG in the last 9 games of the season. If that were over an entire season, that would've been a top 5 scoring defense in the NFL. The next DC has something to work with. If we didn't have a QB throwing shot put for 13 games this past season, this could've been a 9-10 win team. Edited January 27 by dirtybirds233 Tru2Atlanta404, ATLskinjob, rounz and 11 others 10 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don™ Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 4 minutes ago, Joey563 said: absolutely not. this is the hardest and most confident i've seen our defense (from top to bottom) play in a very very long time. Yeah this is the best all around coached team since the Smitty era. Smitty and TD started to have a strained relationship and a crappy two offseasons in 2013 and 2014 which lead to his demise. But those teams were still playing hard. That's good coaching. Just couldn't add the right talent. JDaveG and Club212 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLskinjob Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I get where you're coming from with this post. I loved having Pees here, but I wish he had been able to do a third season here. I wouldn't call his time here wasted. He made it work with a totally crap roster. He established something. I think we'll be able to tell more once we hire a new DC. If we have to run a different scheme with the next DC, then it probably was a bit of a waste. But like another poster said, it's hard to call him being here a waste because Pees made it so that Arthur Smith didn't really have to think much about the defense, and that must have really helped him out with getting his offense established. Mister pudding 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey563 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 11 minutes ago, The Don™ said: Yeah this is the best all around coached team since the Smitty era. Smitty and TD started to have a strained relationship and a crappy two offseasons in 2013 and 2014 which lead to his demise. But those teams were still playing hard. That's good coaching. Just couldn't add the right talent. Let me think longer on the Smitty teams.... I almost want to say the best all around since the late 90's I'm also trying to remember how our defense played under Wade Phillips... .....I just relooked, Good call on the Smitty teams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 That depends. If we go and switch defensive schemes again....yea. Falcons Fan MVP, dardan, ShoNuff and 4 others 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuskillzz Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 The knowledge and experience he was able to share with the younger players will pay off in the long run. mtldirtybird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I mean defense was the main contributor at getting good draft picks so I'd say it was all good. Mister pudding and Falconus Prime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 59 minutes ago, Joey563 said: absolutely not. this is the hardest and most confident i've seen our defense (from top to bottom) play in a very very long time. Agree. The effort has certainly been there. I love the way our young guys are taking ownership to get this defense back to respectability. I think this unit took Pees' speech of "We aren't going to continue to be at the bottom of the league any more!" to heart. Was Pees' time here a waste? With the talent level we had on D, you can argue any DC who came in wouldn't have accomplished a lot. At least Pees did school these young guys in what defense is about ~ which contrary to most layman's opinion is NOT stopping an offense cold, but minimizing its scores. The new DC will find a group with better talent, more toughness and confidence than Pees found when he arrived. Pending the outcome of the draft and FA, our defense should be vastly more competitive than it's been in a decade. And, it WILL include a pass rush! Right?! RIGHT??!!! I'll see myself out. Joey563, The Don™, Mister pudding and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey563 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, PokerSteve said: Agree. The effort has certainly been there. I love the way our young guys are taking ownership to get this defense back to respectability. I think this unit took Pees' speech of "We aren't going to continue to be at the bottom of the league any more!" to heart. Was Pees' time here a waste? With the talent level we had on D, you can argue any DC who came in wouldn't have accomplished a lot. At least Pees did school these young guys in what defense is about ~ which contrary to most layman's opinion is NOT stopping an offense cold, but minimizing its scores. The new DC will find a group with better talent, more toughness and confidence than Pees found when he arrived. Pending the outcome of the draft and FA, our defense should be vastly more competitive than it's been in a decade. And, it WILL include a pass rush! Right?! I'll see myself out. He definitely met his goal of building a new culture. JDaveG and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookieBird Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) I would say NO to the question. He did a great job, considering what they handicapped him with. You really need to evaluate the focus of the draft and financial situation the Falcons were trying to dig out of. When you go from throwing games away in the second half to being in all but one game through the 4th quarter in 2022, he deserves.high praise. Especially when the first draft picks in 2021 and 22 were offensive positions and not defensive. Edited January 27 by RookieBird JDaveG and rounz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconcheff Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Good thread, good discussion... Heck, Pees actually taught A Lot of us some of the nuances of what a defense is supposed to do... I remember being ready to spit fire about our third down defense not getting off the field when Pees came in and explained that it was less about 3rd down defense and more about the first 2 downs; that it wasn't about stopping drives as much as it was about stopping points, etc... I swear, by the time he was done, even though we hadn't forced a punt and the opponent had scored every drive, I still thought we had done a pretty good job on D... jazzyburrell and Mister pudding 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutsandbolts Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I would say it was a waste of time if we don't hire a disciple of Pees as his replacement. Same thing if we actually change our defensive philosophy altogether. For these reasons, I think Frank Bush may end up with this job else the learning and all is a complete waste of time if scrapped going into year 3. Mister pudding 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcster Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 No! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister pudding Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 48 minutes ago, RookieBird said: I would say NO to the question. He did a great job, considering what they handicapped him with. You really need to evaluate the focus of the draft and financial situation the Falcons were trying to dig out of. When you go from throwing games away in the second half to being in all but one game through the 4th quarter in 2022, he deserves.high praise. Especially when the first draft picks in 2021 and 22 were offensive positions and not defensive. But that's the thing. I know (as most do), that he did do a great job. Real question is.. will we have to start over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing Floor Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Not a waste. How would anyone know when he planned to retire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Joey563 said: absolutely not. this is the hardest and most confident i've seen our defense (from top to bottom) play in a very very long time. Yup. He came here to establish an identity. He did that. Now we get someone to come in and guide the defense in his stead. JDaveG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister pudding Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 18 minutes ago, Killing Floor said: Not a waste. How would anyone know when he planned to retire? He's a year and a half away from the average US male's dying age 🤣 Killing Floor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Joey563 said: He definitely met his goal of building a new culture. This. It isn't about the scheme or the Xs and Os. It's about the attitude he instilled in those men. Get another with a similar mindset and that dog will hunt. Killing Floor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing Floor Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 8 minutes ago, Mister pudding said: He's a year and a half away from the average US male's dying age 🤣 Mister pudding 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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