primetime Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Lots of talk currently re our oline. We know it’s solid in run and underwhelming in pass protection. Kaleb is a FA, LG is a revolving door and OC is underwhelming. Our only locks are Jake at LT and Lindstrom at RG. Some posters want to replace three OL next year. Three changes on the oline is near impossible with so many other holes on defence. Good overall teams like KC, Chargers, etc can afford to make wholesale changes on their oline because the rest of the team is fundamentally sound. They can draft a first round olineman and trade for another starter or two in one hit. That won’t work for us imho. I’m ok to run with Dalman for 2023 but I want improvement at LG. In effect I’d tag Kaleb (final prove it year) and sign a quality FA OG (ie Titans Davis, Ravens Powers, etc). This would keep a strength (run game) while incrementally improving the pass protection (further improvement thru Kaleb, Dalman and new OG). This still gives us plenty of Cap and draft picks to focus on defence. A Strong D and run game is how we need to build this team. Start in the trenches (both O and D) and make us a long term force in the South whilst the others are floundering. Appreciate your thoughts? Falconus Prime, falconzfan4ever and Falcster 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieK Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I'd keep Dalman at C, re-sign McGary, extend Lindstrom (will give us even more cap space), and roll with the same group next year Stevo, Mister pudding, Sui_Generis and 5 others 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Depends who's available. Wouldn't mind giving Dalman one more season and see if Henn can hold down LG. Archer, Falconus Prime and Sui_Generis 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister pudding Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I have no problem keeping the oline as is with Henn at LG and Dalman at center. They will just get better with another year under their belt. Perhaps if we told the oline that every play was a run play, the pass protection would be better lol Spend our FA money on defense and draft and produce more oline talent Mid-Nite-Toker, celtiksage and Sui_Generis 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremedarius Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Say no to Mcgary. He sucks at pass pro. Amazing run blocking but you are going to switch to a pass first offense, you need to be able to pass pro without the threat of the run. Archer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 minutes ago, supremedarius said: Say no to Mcgary. He sucks at pass pro. Amazing run blocking but you are going to switch to a pass first offense, you need to be able to pass pro without the threat of the run. We're not going to switch to a pass first offense. Mid-Nite-Toker, bossFALCON™, ItsJustMe and 6 others 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Matthews is quietly sliding into all time great Falcon territory. I agree resign McGary, extend Lindstrom and roll with Henny and Dalman Mr.11, Herr Doktor, Stevo and 7 others 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwood all the way! Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 14 minutes ago, supremedarius said: Say no to Mcgary. He sucks at pass pro. Amazing run blocking but you are going to switch to a pass first offense, you need to be able to pass pro without the threat of the run. Where was it said we are switching to a pass first offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.11 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Having a solid O-line also means having good chemistry along the line. Jake has had a revolving door at LG while Lindstrom and McGary have developed a good partnership on the right side having come up together. I say sign or draft competition, but roll with Henny and see if he can build on this past season. Mid-Nite-Toker, PokerSteve and Stevo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Run them all back except bring in legit competition at LG ( a bonafide starter). Henny can compete for an IOL position. Guys like Seumalo, Dalton Risner and Nate Davis is could fit the bill. The other option would be a draft pick on day 2. Who knows what they think of Shaffer and Mayfield. Dont want to break up the whole line, but no reason to not upgrade a spot or two. Rarely a team runs back the same 5 year after year. PokerSteve and BtK 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 McGary is the only question depending on the kind of money he wants. Keep the chemistry together, maybe a reasonable fa signing and draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing Floor Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Dalman generally improved over the year. So I’m on board keeping him as the starter. Ridder seems like the kind of guy who would work with him too. Dalman is a pretty good blocker so he’s not a lost cause. Really need a settled starter at LG. primetime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconJim Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I'm O. K. with keeping Dalman at C (for now), but I think we should at least try to upgrade LG and RT through FA or the Draft this year. If for nothing else, to add depth for the future to our O-line. jmo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYNE Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I franchise McGary. Then look to work out something reasonable with him. I’m not paying him a fortune. I want a new center. Falcons need to spend up and get one of the best centers in this draft. I want to solve the center position. Dalman being “good enough” isn’t good enough for me. Center is a very undervalued position in my opinion. I’d solve that issue. vitaman, falconsd56, richardc and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcon36 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Sign a center and guard. We have money for that and anything we want on D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirds233 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Matthews - Nothing to say here Henny - Actually played well at LG Dalman - Could use an upgrade, but decent Lindstrom - One of the best guards in the league McGary - Elite run blocker on a run first team All in all, I say just roll with what we have. The only position I would like to see an upgrade on would be at Center, but I wouldn’t consider it anywhere near priority. DonDaLuvMaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonDaLuvMaker Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, dirtybirds233 said: Matthews - Nothing to say here Henny - Actually played well at LG Dalman - Could use an upgrade, but decent Lindstrom - One of the best guards in the league McGary - Elite run blocker on a run first team All in all, I say just roll with what we have. The only position I would like to see an upgrade on would be at Center, but I wouldn’t consider it anywhere near priority. I'm thinking the same. Also chemistry is extremely important when it comes to offensive lines. dirtybirds233 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, Norwood all the way! said: Where was it said we are switching to a pass first offense? Speculation im guessing based on Pitts and Drake drafted 1st the last 2 seasons. Great rushing attack, Rookie QB and only 2 competent pass blockers tells me otherwise 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
804_Falconfan Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 For everyone wanting to tag McGary, the projected o-line tag number is a little over $18M. Are you comfortable paying McGary $18M?? I'm not. And best case scenario he plays great and improves then he'll be looking for something higher than that tag number in a long term deal. https://overthecap.com/franchise-transition-and-rfa-tenders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 hours ago, Mister pudding said: They will just get better with another year under their belt. But will they? I mean learning how to pickup a blitz or chop the backside on a zone run is something players get better at. He was getting blown back off the LOS and into the QB. He was unable to hold up against NFL level players. He was a liability. he may be able to get better at snapping the ball 🏈, but it’s a maybe Mister pudding and vitaman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheeTKOBeatz Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, 804_Falconfan said: For everyone wanting to tag McGary, the projected o-line tag number is a little over $18M. Are you comfortable paying McGary $18M?? I'm not. And best case scenario he plays great and improves then he'll be looking for something higher than that tag number in a long term deal. https://overthecap.com/franchise-transition-and-rfa-tenders Definitely not a fan of paying him anywhere close to that number, i thought he had one more year...he is a liability. So as a UFA..less than that number would should produce an upgrade in FA I would think.... So I would hope we draft and IOL that could play center on day 2 for comp, and pick up a tackle in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Falcon Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 8 hours ago, Mister pudding said: I have no problem keeping the oline as is with Henn at LG and Dalman at center. They will just get better with another year under their belt. Perhaps if we told the oline that every play was a run play, the pass protection would be better lol Spend our FA money on defense and draft and produce more oline talent I agree. Despite the problems we still have, this is the first time in a long time where many fans were fine with rolling the same unit out next year as the year before. Says a lot about the improvement of our o-line. Mister pudding 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuccah Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Someone mentioned above how Center is an undervalued position. I'll argue that Dalman is an undervalued player. AS asks a ton athletically from his center. There were clips of him earlier this year that few Centers in the NFL can pull off. Give him more time to develop - he's cheap. If we could trade down 4-5 spots, I'd take Skoronski in a heartbeat. Plug him in at LG, franchise McGary. See how the year plays out, and either move him to RT in place of McGary, or keep him at LG as Matthews' replacement in year 3. His versatility to move him to either Tackle slot if one goes down would be invaluable. ItsJustMe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana Bandit Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 9 hours ago, 804_Falconfan said: For everyone wanting to tag McGary, the projected o-line tag number is a little over $18M. Are you comfortable paying McGary $18M?? I'm not. And best case scenario he plays great and improves then he'll be looking for something higher than that tag number in a long term deal. https://overthecap.com/franchise-transition-and-rfa-tenders Rather pay 18M now than re-start the process of sitting on years of dead cap due to a bad signing. It'd be more likely he gets the non-exclusive or transition tag which is about $700,000 cheaper. Not a ton, but it is an extra Special teamer. Edited January 26 by Banana Bandit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister pudding Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, richardc said: But will they? I mean learning how to pickup a blitz or chop the backside on a zone run is something players get better at. He was getting blown back off the LOS and into the QB. He was unable to hold up against NFL level players. He was a liability. he may be able to get better at snapping the ball 🏈, but it’s a maybe I appreciate your take on this. It was Dalman's first year starting. I would be more concerned if Ridder was strictly a pocket passer like Ryan was regarding pass protection. One has to also look at run blocking, penalties, and price. I think the pros outweigh the cons... at least for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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