falconsd56 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 4 minutes ago, dirtybirds233 said: Being complete uncompetitive Define competitive? Being competitive has never been the problem for the Falcons... Under any recent coach. We've always been competitive. Kaptain Krazy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 5 minutes ago, falconsd56 said: Define competitive? Being competitive has never been the problem for the Falcons... Under any recent coach. We've always been competitive. 2021 absolutely was not competitive lol. We got decimated by any decent team we faced Kaptain Krazy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnrealfalcoN Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 3 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Was not possible. I don't know how many times this has to be said. The cap dropped 20 million dollars and we already ate a huge chunk of dead money trading Julio. Trading both was not a possibility Did we have to Push Matt's money on a 'testing the roster' type of season though? That's made this year's hit worse, making it the highest of all time. I still think if they planned to trade him, could have restructured or extended his contract and then have traded him the first year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: 2021 absolutely was not competitive lol. We got decimated by any decent team we faced Touche Kaptain Krazy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 4 hours ago, falconsd56 said: Injury bugs didn't save OG Smith or Quinn. OG Smith had his entire offense essentially wiped out in 2013 And lost an entire starting unit worth of offensive line in 2014....the year Toilolo had to take snaps at tackle because we literally ran out of linemen during a game. Quinn lost virtually the entire defense in 2018 a season where every single player on defense misses part or all of a game that year and had several key players miss time in 2019. Even if the Falcons do suffer injuries along those lines I doubt that it will cover up the fact that Smith 2.0 ran with Mariota way past the time that he should have. His hand picked successor to Matt Ryan was among the worst quarterbacks in the NFL for the vast majority of the season and then quit on the team when he was informed that he wasn't going to start anymore. Or the fact that Smith had a dumb down his offense to the point where we all but ignored the passing game and ignored to top 10 past catchers allowing the offense to become one dimensional and dormant pretty much the entire second half of the season. So do you think Arty is a bad coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 3 hours ago, Swayzee said: They absolutely can not get a pass on that. There are all kind's of options that could be looked at this offseason when it comes to the QB position. Whatever course they choose it is on them, and the glory or criticism which comes that decision. For example, say they go with Ridder at QB1, and he has a terrible season. They get a pass for missing in their own QB choice when they would have had 3 entire off-season's? Nah, they need to own it in 23'. Sounds like you're ready to keep firing till we get lucky even tho it might take another 10 yrs. I don't have the answers but sounds like you and a couple others have all the answers without being one iota optimistic. But I'm probably reading your vibes wrong. I kind of try to be optimistic with the glass is half full outlook and others ALWAYS see it half full. Maybe some folks just live a miserable life IDK. Have you ever tried the bright side? Just asking.....sorry hope it doesn't offend you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 26 minutes ago, Freddies 3rd Cuz said: So do you think Arty is a bad coach? He is not a bad coach...but I don't think that he was as ready to be a HC as he thought that he was. Some of the decision making when it comes to personel use is absolutely head scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 minute ago, falconsd56 said: He is not a bad coach...but I don't think that he was as ready to be a HC as he thought that he was. Some of the decision making when it comes to personel use is absolutely head scratch. Honestly, I wish he would have played Ridder a few games earlier, but for anyone who can't see what this coach did to be competitive all year long with the cards he was dealt can't see past the end of their nose. LOL tell me one coach who would have done better in the same situation? And yeah we know way more than a coach or coaches that's out there every day, day in day out. They just do this stuff to piss us off. And obviously it's working lol. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Freddies 3rd Cuz said: Honestly, I wish he would have played Ridder a few games earlier, but for anyone who can't see what this coach did to be competitive all year long with the cards he was dealt can't see past the end of their nose. LOL tell me one coach who would have done better in the same situation? And yeah we know way more than a coach or coaches that's out there every day, day in day out. They just do this stuff to piss us off. And obviously it's working lol. We played a really really soft schedule...that is why the Falcons were competitive. The actual good healthy teams that we played beat up on the falcons. Nad even some of the bad teams still beat up on the falcons. Steve Wilks had an even ****tier hand in Carolina and he was a competent kicker from sweeping the Falcons with PJ Walker at QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Kildare Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 16 minutes ago, falconsd56 said: We played a really really soft schedule...that is why the Falcons were competitive. The actual good healthy teams that we played beat up on the falcons. Nad even some of the bad teams still beat up on the falcons. Steve Wilks had an even ****tier hand in Carolina and he was a competent kicker from sweeping the Falcons with PJ Walker at QB. Only one team beat up on the Falcons, that was the Bengals, a bad match up made worse by the timing of the cornerback injuries. Otherwise, the Falcons we're in every game in the 4th quarter. That is a testament to the great job done by Arthur Smith and his players. There is a reason many people are high on the future of Arthur and his team. red falcon, Freddies 3rd Cuz and TheTrue7 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 7 minutes ago, Doctor Kildare said: Only one team beat up on the Falcons, that was the Bengals, a bad match up made worse by the timing of the cornerback injuries. Otherwise, the Falcons we're in every game in the 4th quarter. That is a testament to the great job done by Arthur Smith and his players. There is a reason many people are high on the future of Arthur and his team. Disagree. The rams beat up on the Falcons it was 28-3 and it took a blocked punt for a TD, and a fumble from a guy who almost never fumbles. The Bucs beat up on the falcons the first game. The Panthers in the second game handled the Falcons pretty well....truth be told they physically dominated the Falcons upfront. the first game too. But again we played bad teams/bad QBs. We struggled with two of the teams who are picking in the top 3. One of which was on their 4th string QB and had pretty much all of the offense out. We beat a back up QB vs the Browns. We got beat by a guy who was benched for Carson Wentz. We got beat by a back up in Baltimore. We got beat by the back up for the saints. No one in our division had a winning record. This was a cream puff year and a golden opportunity to steal a playoff appearance. Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 6 hours ago, falconsd56 said: Disagree. The rams beat up on the Falcons it was 28-3 and it took a blocked punt for a TD, and a fumble from a guy who almost never fumbles. The Bucs beat up on the falcons the first game. The Panthers in the second game handled the Falcons pretty well....truth be told they physically dominated the Falcons upfront. the first game too. But again we played bad teams/bad QBs. We struggled with two of the teams who are picking in the top 3. One of which was on their 4th string QB and had pretty much all of the offense out. We beat a back up QB vs the Browns. We got beat by a guy who was benched for Carson Wentz. We got beat by a back up in Baltimore. We got beat by the back up for the saints. No one in our division had a winning record. This was a cream puff year and a golden opportunity to steal a playoff appearance. Are you that Dude that wants DQ and TD back for another 20 yrs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustMe Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Everything is in their favor. After two 7-10 seasons, cap money and heading into a third draft. They should make the jump to the playoffs. If not, yeah I would think they would be on the hot seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirds233 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 14 hours ago, falconsd56 said: Define competitive? You're in nearly every game and have a decent record. For instance, I would say the Falcons 2021 record was a bit of fools gold. 8 of their 10 losses were by 2+ scores while their largest margin of victory was 8 points. 2022 was the opposite as I think the Falcons were better than their record and much more competitive, albeit with the same record as 2021. I beleive they tied the NFL record for most games decided by a single score in a season. Catastrophic to me would be another 2021 type season except they don't have a record that covers up the shortcomings. Edited January 21 by dirtybirds233 Vandy and Freddies 3rd Cuz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swayzee Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, dirtybirds233 said: You're in nearly every game and have a decent record. For instance, I would say the Falcons 2021 record was a bit of fools gold. 8 of their 10 losses were by 2+ scores while their largest margin of victory was 8 points. 2022 was the opposite as I think the Falcons were better than their record and much more competitive, albeit with the same record as 2021. I beleive they tied the NFL record for most games decided by a single score in a season. Catastrophic to me would be another 2021 type season except they don't have a record that covers up the shortcomings. Is that not what happened last year? The opinion of the team changed wildly after 2 meaningless wins against a team that literally mailed it in and players a 4th string QB and **** near beat us at home. The 2nd game against TB is really a joke as they pulled their players because they were actually playing an meaningful playoff game. Look at the team opinion on the exact forums after the team was 5-10 and 7-10 and tell me that I am not 100% correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirds233 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 3 minutes ago, Swayzee said: Is that not what happened last year? The opinion of the team changed wildly after 2 meaningless wins against a team that literally mailed it in and players a 4th string QB and **** near beat us at home. The 2nd game against TB is really a joke as they pulled their players because they were actually playing an meaningful playoff game. Look at the team opinion on the exact forums after the team was 5-10 and 7-10 and tell me that I am not 100% correct. If you read my second sentence, then no I don't think that's what happened this year and just based on singular game results, the team was absolutely improved over 2021. Average loss in 2021: -17.9 Average loss in 2022: -6.2 Average win in 2021: +4.7 Average win in 2022: +5.9 Just looking at point spreads, the Falcons average game in 2021 was a 12 point loss. In 2022 it was a 1 point loss. If it makes you happy, I'll even remove the 'joke' game against Tampa. The Falcons still had an average game of a 2 point loss - which is still significant improvement over 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 22 hours ago, Jesus said: I don't think they have the leeway of another losing season. They better be in the playoffs next year. See below. They can’t take a step backwards J, but I think they are going into year 3 of a 5-year plan before that kind of pressure is placed. The cubbard is still pretty bare, and we haven’t even figured out QB yet. 22 hours ago, FentayeJones said: Imagine being a GM and HC taking over a team and in the first two years of your tenure not having the resources to have an offseason; and then somehow managing to win seven games in each of those two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swayzee Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Just now, dirtybirds233 said: If you read my second sentence, then no I don't think that's what happened this year and just based on singular game results, the team was absolutely improved over 2021. Average loss in 2021: -17.9 Average loss in 2022: -6.2 Average win in 2021: +4.7 Average win in 2022: +5.9 Just looking at point spreads, the Falcons average game in 2021 was a 12 point loss. In 2022 it was a 1 point loss. If it makes you happy, I'll even remove the 'joke' game against Tampa. The Falcons still had an average game of a 2 point loss - which is still significant improvement over 2021. Thanks for touching on this. So now we are saying that that we ARE going to use the point differential as a basis of comparison? Just 2 short years ago if you mentioned that the 7 wins was incredibly inflated, all one heard is "a win is a win". We moving the goal posts to fit a narrative much? Maybe this will carry over to next season right? Because ,momentum always works out for the Falcons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 On 1/20/2023 at 10:50 PM, falconsd56 said: We played a really really soft schedule...that is why the Falcons were competitive. The actual good healthy teams that we played beat up on the falcons. Nad even some of the bad teams still beat up on the falcons. Steve Wilks had an even ****tier hand in Carolina and he was a competent kicker from sweeping the Falcons with PJ Walker at QB. The schedule played a role, but you aren’t giving enough credit to the coaching staff for getting the most out of the team’s players bro…..nor for having the wisdom of reversing course from a pass heavy offense and transitioning into a run heavy one based on the roster…. which allowed them to field a competitive team with IMO the least talented team in nfl, no where more so than at QB. As mentioned earlier in thread, winning 14 games over the past two seasons with this roster and being stuck in cap ****? One of best jobs I’ve ever seen from a falcon coaching staff, ever. falconsd56, Freddies 3rd Cuz and red falcon 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Vandy said: See below. They can’t take a step backwards J, but I think they are going into year 3 of a 5-year plan before that kind of pressure is placed. The cubbard is still pretty bare, and we haven’t even figured out QB yet. That logic would make sense if not for the Watson move. They wanted to send multiple good players and draft picks for a QB that would only sign a massive guaranteed contract. That blows up any kind of five year plan. Like anyone in the NFL they are always looking to win now. This spring will show how serious they are about winning. They might be going more all in that we expect. They should. Fans are tired of losing. The empty stadium should make that clear. falconsd56 and Vandy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 2 hours ago, Vandy said: The schedule played a role, but you don’t give enough credit to the coaching staff getting the most out of the team’s players bro…..nor for going to run heavy which allowed them to field a competitive team with IMO the least talented roster in nfl, no where more so than at QB. As mentioned earlier in thread, winning 14 games over the past two seasons with this roster and being stuck in cap ****? One of best jobs I’ve ever seen from a falcon coaching staff, ever. Well said Vandy but the world is full of rock throwers Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 35 minutes ago, Jesus said: That logic would make sense if not for the Watson move. They wanted to send multiple good players and draft picks for a QB that would only sign a massive guaranteed contract. That blows up any kind of five year plan. Like anyone in the NFL they are always looking to win now. This spring will show how serious they are about winning. They might be going more all in that we expect. They should. Fans are tired of losing. The empty stadium should make that clear. Changing coaches after 2-3 with the mess they cleaned is not a quick fix and I'm holding my breath AB doesn't mean insist on LJ. That was the problem DW not Arty or Terry Doctor Kildare 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 21 hours ago, Freddies 3rd Cuz said: Well said Vandy but the world is full of rock throwers 56 is jaded (can we blame him?) but isn’t at all what I’d call a rock thrower, my man. Edited January 22 by Vandy Freddies 3rd Cuz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Jesus said: That logic would make sense if not for the Watson move. They wanted to send multiple good players and draft picks for a QB that would only sign a massive guaranteed contract. That blows up any kind of five year plan. Like anyone in the NFL they are always looking to win now. This spring will show how serious they are about winning. They might be going more all in that we expect. They should. Fans are tired of losing. The empty stadium should make that clear. I agree the Watson-Ryan fiasco was mishandled by falcons at every level, Jesus. Look at Cleveland, a team way more talented than we are, and he’s looked like crapola. And that’s beside all the baggage he brings. I’ll never understand what they were thinking there. Jesus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddies 3rd Cuz Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 4 hours ago, Vandy said: 56 is jaded (can we blame him?) but isn’t what I’d call a rock thrower, my man. Nah he’s a good dude while he’s sleeping 🤣 Vandy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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