falconfanatic365 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) Last off-season how did no one figure in what could have netted us a 3rd this year? We could have had Mariota, Carter, or Hayward for Gage last season without cancelling the 3rd for Oluokun but not all of them. Any qualifying FA cancels the first person of equal or greater value so it's a count of qualified FA's. Carter made less than Hurst per year so it seems like they could have also cancelled but maybe there was performance bonuses given to carter or the projected calc is off by over the cap. 3rd round picks are super valuable because they are so good for the salary cap. You get a long term contract for a decent player at pennies on the dollar if you are even decent at drafting. OTC is usually spot on so this is a frustrating whiff by the front office when we were clearly rebuilding.... Source: https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks Edited January 18 by falconfanatic365 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summerhill Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 This is what some of us said at the time but most people on here went on about how great Mariota and Carter were going to be. falconfanatic365 and jetpac 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel 25:17 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 10 minutes ago, Summerhill said: This is what some of us said at the time but most people on here went on about how great Mariota and Carter were going to be. Carter was fine, but if folks thought Marietta was going to be more than what he was need help! Not saying they need to go to charter but they need to go somewhere soon! 🤣 KCFalcon22, falconsd56, FalconJim and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconAge Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 22 minutes ago, falconfanatic365 said: Last off-season how did no one figure in what could have netted us a 3rd this year? We could have had Mariota, Carter, or Hayward for Gage last season without cancelling the 3rd for Oluokun but not all of them. Any qualifying FA cancels the first person of equal or greater value so it's a count of qualified FA's. Carter made less than Hurst per year so it seems like they could have also cancelled but maybe there was performance bonuses given to carter or the projected calc is off by over the cap. 3rd round picks are super valuable because they are so good for the salary cap. You get a long term contract for a decent player at pennies on the dollar if you are even decent at drafting. OTC is usually spot on so this is a frustrating whiff by the front office when we were clearly rebuilding.... Source: https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks Picks are great, but it's GM malpractice to suffer a whole season at a position of need to play gamesmanship in the offseason. Sponge, RetroRoq, SwampyMux12 and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summerhill Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, FalconAge said: Picks are great, but it's GM malpractice to suffer a whole season at a position of need to play gamesmanship in the offseason. Which position of need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMSVILLE GYM Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, FalconAge said: Picks are great, but it's GM malpractice to suffer a whole season at a position of need to play gamesmanship in the offseason. What!?!? tbhawksfan, falconsd56, Sponge and 3 others 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 You weren't going into the season with nothing but bargain bin FAs who and/or rookies (who you didn't even know would draft at that point) at QB. Some of you feel we should have not cared about winning, and some of you feel like Mariota wasn't worth what we paid, but Smith needed someone that he was familiar with. It is what it is. Ezekiel 25:17, RetroRoq, falconzfan4ever and 14 others 8 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconAge Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, Summerhill said: Which position of need? Gunning for all of our comp picks meant not signing the vet QB familiar with the scheme, a cheap potentially effective pass rusher, and an affordable vet corner that wouldnt break the bank. Remember, hindsight is 20/20. We didnt know they would be injured/suck. FalconKing918, ATLskinjob and Chitown2ATL_Falcon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel 25:17 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, hjerry said: You weren't going into the season with nothing but bargain bin FAs who and/or rookies (who you didn't even know would draft at that point) at QB. Some of you feel we should have not cared about winning, and some of you feel like Mariota wasn't worth what we paid, but Smith needed someone that he was familiar with. It is what it is. Yepper, we literally weren’t going into the season with a QB at the time and later with a rookie with no experience behind him without him. Not saying he was going to be great at QB but he was the best option available. And played pretty much like I expected him. Chitown2ATL_Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summerhill Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, hjerry said: You weren't going into the season with nothing but bargain bin FAs who and/or rookies (who you didn't even know would draft at that point) at QB. Some of you feel we should have not cared about winning, and some of you feel like Mariota wasn't worth what we paid, but Smith needed someone that he was familiar with. It is what it is. They could have still signed Mariota; they just had to wait until after the qualifying compensatory free agent period ended. But IMO there was pressure to sign him ASAP and change the narrative immediately after they traded Ryan. tbhawksfan and primetime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summerhill Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, FalconAge said: Remember, hindsight is 20/20. We didnt know they would be injured/suck. I don't know. Mariota was basically exactly who he has always been and so was Carter. Hayward hasn't really had an injury problem in the past but he is 33 years old. Things happen. tbhawksfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBird Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Not buying it. They had to fill spots with players at least capable of playing in the NFL, especially QB, where there were slim pickings. The culture of a 7-10 team rebuilding with a plan is way better than a 3-14 team in a permanent death spiral and young players that are totally overwhelmed. You can’t build a team based on hoping to draft another guy at the end of the 3rd round. It’s a nice to have but a low priority in the scheme of team building. The Patriots hoarded compensatory picks for years and whiffed on most of them. Chitown2ATL_Falcon and ATLskinjob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconAge Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Summerhill said: I don't know. Mariota was basically exactly who he has always been and so was Carter. Hayward hasn't really had an injury problem in the past but he is 33 years old. Things happen. This board along with countless youtube videos were hyped as **** about the Flying Hawaiian. Qb whisperer Jordan Palmer was gushing about his potential for success in Atlanta. And Mariota had successfully(if dubiously) rehabbed his perception as a passer in Vegas. Blame the team for allowing him to start too long, but not signing the one quarterback available familiar with Smith's offense in the first place. Edited January 18 by FalconAge Changed Oakland to Vegas PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 14 minutes ago, hjerry said: You weren't going into the season with nothing but bargain bin FAs who and/or rookies (who you didn't even know would draft at that point) at QB. Some of you feel we should have not cared about winning, and some of you feel like Mariota wasn't worth what we paid, but Smith needed someone that he was familiar with. It is what it is. It's that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 8 minutes ago, Summerhill said: They could have still signed Mariota; they just had to wait until after the qualifying compensatory free agent period ended. But IMO there was pressure to sign him ASAP and change the narrative immediately after they traded Ryan. You weren't going to without a QB until May. That leaves you seriously handicapped in a number of ways. You also don't know that Mariota would have still been available in May Ezekiel 25:17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister pudding Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 17 minutes ago, hjerry said: You weren't going into the season with nothing but bargain bin FAs who and/or rookies (who you didn't even know would draft at that point) at QB. Some of you feel we should have not cared about winning, and some of you feel like Mariota wasn't worth what we paid, but Smith needed someone that he was familiar with. It is what it is. I'm sure throughout the year, he was helping Ridder to learn the system. Bring in another JAG unfamiliar with the system and it's the blind leading the blind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRisen999 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 27 minutes ago, FalconAge said: Picks are great, but it's GM malpractice to suffer a whole season at a position of need to play gamesmanship in the offseason. Exactly.. what GM sits around trying not to address positions of need so they can hoard picks? It’s self sabotage.. if they’d operate that way they might as well tank. ATLskinjob and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustMe Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 6 minutes ago, hjerry said: You weren't going to without a QB until May. That leaves you seriously handicapped in a number of ways. You also don't know that Mariota would have still been available in May Thank God he was available or I'd have never seen this...which by the way lead to our QB of the future. Falcons_Frenzy, PokerSteve and Summerhill 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swayzee Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 34 minutes ago, FalconAge said: Picks are great, but it's GM malpractice to suffer a whole season at a position of need to play gamesmanship in the offseason. Yet that is what we wound up doing with Mariota, right? Falcons_Frenzy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summerhill Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 18 minutes ago, hjerry said: You weren't going to without a QB until May. That leaves you seriously handicapped in a number of ways. You also don't know that Mariota would have still been available in May You have a conversation with Mariota's agent that if he waits he gets this much money and is the unquestioned starter. No other team was topping that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flrybranch Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Should we go ahead and tell him.... The Falcons won't be getting any compensatory picks in 2024 either RetroRoq 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realsurfin Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I was surprised Mariota did not get injured earlier in the season. I had the same worries about London. We did about as well as I predicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 45 minutes ago, hjerry said: You weren't going into the season with nothing but bargain bin FAs who and/or rookies (who you didn't even know would draft at that point) at QB. Some of you feel we should have not cared about winning, and some of you feel like Mariota wasn't worth what we paid, but Smith needed someone that he was familiar with. It is what it is. Not to mention the importance of having a guy who could run his offense and get the team on the same page. Mariota for all his ****ups at least did that. I think Ridder against TB and the Cards is just a sample of what we can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 😳😳😳 midas_whale 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 15 minutes ago, Summerhill said: You have a conversation with Mariota's agent that if he waits he gets this much money and is the unquestioned starter. No other team was topping that. Maybe It's really hard to know what happened or would happen behind closed doors Summerhill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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