The Night Mariota Dropped Out of MVP Contention

[dmo_dlo]

14 hours ago, DirtyBirdReport said:

Made friends with a Panthers fan in the bathroom, though. Fitting enough. 

 

[JDaveG]

1 minute ago, jetpac said:

I’m suggesting anyone with eyes including AS who **** near said as much in hindsight could’ve seen starting Ridder sooner was the smart move. 

So you don't address what I've said, you just repeat the false assertion?

K.

Regarding Purdy, let's take a closer look.  These are Purdy's lines:

vs. Miami:  25/37 (67%), 210, 2 TDs, 1 INT -- they scored 2 TDs, 4 FGs and the defense caused a fumble that was returned for a TD.  Even though Purdy came on in relief after Garroppolo got injured, the injury was on the Niners first drive, so I'm counting this one.

vs. Tampa: 16/21 (76%), 185, 2 TDs, 0 INTs -- this time they had 2 passing TDs and 3 rushing TDs (including one by Purdy).

vs. Seattle: 17/26 (65%), 217, 2 TDs, 0 INTs - 1 rushing TD

vs. Washington: 15/22 (68%), 234, 2 TDs, 1 INT -- 2 rushing TDs, and 3 FGs

So after 4 games, I'm not seeing this whole "Purdy is looking like a stud" thing.  Purdy has a much better team around him, which helps.  Purdy has a much better defense.  Purdy also threw 2 INTs, which Ridder has yet to do.  He's good, don't get me wrong.  Put Ridder on that offense and I'd wager he's better.  In either event, it ain't coaching so much as they have McCaffrey and Kittle and Aiyuk all healthy, plus a much more well rounded team all around.

Last 2 games:

vs. Las Vegas: 22/35 (63%), 284, 2 TDs, 1 INT.  3 FGs and 2 rushing TDs.

vs. Arizona: 15/20 (75%), 178, 3 TDs, 0 INTs.  2 rushing TDs and 1 FG.

Again, not exactly Pro Bowl numbers here.

Maybe San Francisco has a better team than we do at this moment in time?  Scoring a lot of points isn't just on the QB.  As noted above, the most TDs Purdy has accounted for in any game is 3, he only did that twice, and one of those was a rushing TD.  And their defense is better than ours -- for common opponents they gave up 7 to the Bucs' starters versus our 17 to mostly their backups, and versus Arizona they gave up 13 versus our 19.  That makes the QB's job a lot easier.

[Rings]

Most impressive thing is Allgears chasing down the DB after that butt throw.  Don’t see him in space very often.  Dude was fast there.  Had to go back and make sure it was him.

[JDaveG]

Just now, Rings said:

Most impressive thing is Allgears chasing down the DB after that butt throw.  Don’t see him in space very often.  Dude was fast there.  Had to go back and make sure it was him.

He's deceptively fast.  Football speed.  I noticed the same thing watching him hit the hole in the run game.  It's like he sees the crease and he's just fired out of a cannon.

He's not blowing the top off of defenses, but he definitely gets into the secondary fast.

[raysnill1]

19 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

He's deceptively fast.  Football speed.  I noticed the same thing watching him hit the hole in the run game.  It's like he sees the crease and he's just fired out of a cannon.

He's not blowing the top off of defenses, but he definitely gets into the secondary fast.

there's been at least 10 times where I swear he'll be stopped for a loss and somehow he blows by people for a gain. it's fricken mind-boggling

[JDaveG]

Just now, raysnill1 said:

there's been at least 10 times where I swear he'll be stopped for a loss and somehow he blows by people for a gain. it's fricken mind-boggling

He's also athletic as all get out.  He reminds me a lot of Knowshon Moreno, but with less speed and more power.

[Swayzee]

3 hours ago, Killing Floor said:

If Ridder starts that next game (11 - Bears) we would have won at least 2 more games this season and would be playing this weekend. 
To me that’s what stings. 

Yeah, I 100% think you are right.

[falcon22]

So knowing what we know about Ridder now, even though he still has much growth to do, but I am not sure I buy that he was not ready when the Bears game at home was coming (Chicago being a terrible team too) and all of the sudden he got so much better two weeks later to take over Mariota. I think that Smith had the plan for the bye week and he did not want to deviate from it and gave too much time to Mariota. 

[JDaveG]

6 minutes ago, falcon22 said:

So knowing what we know about Ridder now, even though he still has much growth to do, but I am not sure I buy that he was not ready when the Bears game at home was coming (Chicago being a terrible team too) and all of the sudden he got so much better two weeks later to take over Mariota. I think that Smith had the plan for the bye week and he did not want to deviate from it and gave too much time to Mariota. 

I don't think he wanted to deviate from it for the reasons I said above -- he didn't want to give up on Mariota after one terrible game and he didn't want to split snaps between the starter and the backup "just in case."

I'm not saying it was ideal.  I'm just saying I get why they waited.

[Ohio Dirty Bird]

Mariota is who we thought he was ,  I would not knock him   he is the perfect back up qb for a team.    RIdder will have more game plan on him next year so he has a lot of work to do this off season.   I think the Falcons need to work on the D line 

[tbhawksfan]

How a coach and a bunch of people in here can think that it's a good idea to not play the young talent when the old talent is scrub and we're finishing with 7 wins is beyond me. Also we only made it to 7 wins because genius coach finally let the young talent play

[Doctor Kildare]

36 minutes ago, Ohio Dirty Bird said:

Mariota is who we thought he was ,  I would not knock him   he is the perfect back up qb for a team.    RIdder will have more game plan on him next year so he has a lot of work to do this off season.   I think the Falcons need to work on the D line 

I think there might be a lot less knocking of Mariota had he not separated himself from the team when he lost the starting job. Before that, I thought he might have had a nice future as a better than average backup like guys such as Bridgewater.

[JDaveG]

1 minute ago, Doctor Kildare said:

I think there might be a lot less knocking of Mariota had he not separated himself from the team when he lost the starting job. Before that, I thought he might have had a nice future as a better than average backup like guys such as Bridgewater.

Mariota was bad, but he got worse as the season went along.  It just wasn't working.

I think people hate him so much because they had unrealistic expectations that somehow switching from a 7 year vet who is underperforming to a rookie who hasn't proven anything is as easy as snapping your fingers, and it just isn't.

[papachaz]

yeah Tank Commander Marcus reported for duty that night for sure

[Swayzee]

21 hours ago, gazoo said:

After the Thursday night football debacle, in retrospect I see virtually no harm but a lot of good that would have come out of letting Ridder play those 3 extra games. Mariota was getting worse as defenses saw he couldn’t throw the ball and adjusted.

I was in the stands a couple of games prior to the debacle and saw Pitts and London running around all game wide open down field.  Defenses didn’t care, they knew Mariota couldn’t throw the ball, or, in effect, were hoping he would throw the ball.

100% absolutely agree. 

People acting like this was a "plan" are simply naïve and are the same see sunshine and rainbows the last 5 seasons, yet somehow wrong each and every single year.  It was widely reported and the only fact from the entire transition is that Mariota was blindsided by the move. If he was blindsided by the move that meant absolutely NOTHING CHANGED IN PRATICE, those 3 weeks leading up to to when Mariota was benched. So there was no additional prep and Ridder could have easily started games earlier in the season.

So the narrative that AS was preparing Ridder those extra 3 weeks is 100% ********.

Edited January 15 by Swayzee

[raysnill1]

3 hours ago, JDaveG said:

I don't think he wanted to deviate from it for the reasons I said above -- he didn't want to give up on Mariota after one terrible game and he didn't want to split snaps between the starter and the backup "just in case."

I'm not saying it was ideal.  I'm just saying I get why they waited.

this is where I'm at. I wanted Ridder to start sooner but I get why AS waited and I honestly think that he felt Mariota would *get it* and have more games like earlier in the season, heck we all hoped he would.

[ltstorm2]

The day he was born?

[Ezekiel 25:17]

22 hours ago, Diesel_Bird said:

Guard got bullied on the first play.  But that panther game was some bad quarterbacking, no other way to put it 

 

22 hours ago, gazoo said:

It’s painful to have to recall that Thursday night, national audience embarrassment after so many here kept arguing that Mariota should remain the starter. 

 

 

22 hours ago, sandtrap said:

The worst part isn’t how bad Mariota played. It’s that he was still the starter after this game. 

The whole thing was for me is HOW do you let this man QB anymore at all after that game. 

He was making Rookie mistakes and throwing the ball no better than anyone on this board. 

How do you play that poorly being an eight plus year vet!!?

[gazoo]

4 hours ago, Swayzee said:

It was widely reported and the only fact from the entire transition is that Mariota was blindsided by the move. If he was blindsided by the move that meant absolutely NOTHING CHANGED IN PRATICE, those 3 weeks leading up to to when Mariota was benched.

That’s a very good observation.  I’ve been watching Brock Purdy play very well now in a playoff game. He can’t do that if he doesn’t have enough regular season games to adjust.  I just think Ridder would have greatly benefited for playing 3 more games this season.  But those 4 games are still going to help accelerate his continued development in camp next year.

[gazoo]

8 hours ago, Rings said:

Most impressive thing is Allgears chasing down the DB after that butt throw.  Don’t see him in space very often.  Dude was fast there.  Had to go back and make sure it was him.

Yeah, I noticed that all out hustle play as well. Impressive. The kid is just all around impressive. 

[TheUsualStuff]

What amazed me most about Mariota was that with his mobility, he somehow made our O-line look worse than it really was: ZERO pocket awareness... mobilitied his way into additional pressure a lot of the time.

There is only one justification for keeping him in the lineup that will not make me think AS was obtuse or willfully ignorant, and it has some degree of believability: Maybe AS knew from his prior experience with Mariota that his ego was so fragile that any indication he was losing his grip on the job would lead to exactly what we saw happen when he did lose the job. He knew he would take his ball and go home, and AS wasn't ready to go into games with just Ridder and Franks. That led the Falcons to make the move for Woodside.

 

Edited January 15 by TheUsualStuff

[YungFalco]

On 1/13/2023 at 9:42 PM, Doctor Kildare said:

Conclusions from video:

1. Good chance the Falcons passing attack will improve in 2023.

2. Was Drake open at 42 seconds of the video?

 

The fact that he was still our starting QB after this game p*ssed me off

[Archer]

On 1/13/2023 at 10:57 PM, Falcons_Frenzy said:

Not sure if the enemy of my enemy is my friend but if they hate the aints as much as we do an alliance might be had. 

No one hates anyone as much as we hate them

[PokerSteve]

That's the night the lights went out for Marcus,

That's the night we knew he wasn't The Man. 

We knew it was all downhill from that point;

Just a matter of how much Smith could stand. 😝

 

[gazoo]

13 hours ago, TheUsualStuff said:

What amazed me most about Mariota was that with his mobility, he somehow made our O-line look worse than it really was: ZERO pocket awareness... mobilitied his way into additional pressure a lot of the time.

It was disturbing to witness the Mariota acolytes proclaiming Mariota was THE reason for our stud running game while claiming the OL was still bad and couldn’t pass protect.  His acolytes were infatuated with Mariota’s scrambling, it literally produced a chemical high in them, which led to the delusional things we’d see on here about going deep into the playoffs and even the Super Bowl this season etc.

These acolytes absolutely loved Mariota, a horrible QB who couldn’t throw the ball. They would make absurd, outrageous claims about Ridder not being ready or that because he was a 3rd round draft pick he would never be a starting QB while swinging from the sack of a QB who couldn’t throw the ball.

Each year during lead up to the draft we see a segment of the fanbase go all in on running QBs, without a care to whether or not said running QB can read a defense or throw the ball accurately. All,they care about is can he run fast.  These QBs end up being busts and this segment never, ever stops doing the same thing the following years, every year, hitching their wagons on running QBs. It’s why they hated Ryan, because he couldn’t run really fast.

The fact remains, it’s QBs who can beat you from the pocket that win virtually all Super Bowls. They might also be able to scramble, but if they can beat a defense from the pocket the better NFL defenses you see in the playoffs just shut them down.