Mock off-season scenario, compliments of the WAS commanders

[1989Fan]

So they need to improve this defense at all levels. I like the idea of bringing Evans back for another round at ILB. That leaves a need for DL, Edge and CB.

so how about this…

sign DaRon Payne (I know, this horse has been beaten). I initially thought WAS may tag him, but that may be too rich for them. If he isn’t an option, we could look at a guy Like Hargrave who I am sure PHI would love to keep, but may not be able to. DL help, check.

now to the fun part…while it’s very possible Young and Stroud go before pick 8, one may not and Levis and Richardson surely will not. WAS needs a QB to try and keep pace in the East, and CAR at 9 is a legit threat to take a QB.

trade picks 8 and 45 to WAS, total point value of ~1850 looking at the 2023 trade value chart (maybe more considering a QB trade up)

in return, get pick 16 (1000 point value) and Edge Chase Young from WAS. It values him as a mid-late round 1 pick, which coming off a significant injury and a need for a QB justifies the value here. He has his 4th year at $10M on his contract, and the 5th year option before a new deal is needed.

Then use pick 16 to take Joey Porter Jr, CB, Penn State (homer alert!). Physical, lock down CB to put opposite of AJ for the next 5+ years. (I could be convinced of another CB in this spot too, as CB should be great value here). https://www.profootballnetwork.com/joey-porter-jr-cb-penn-state-nfl-draft-scouting-report)-2023/

That leaves the defense with Payne (or Hargrave) on the line, Young as an edge rusher and Porter (or other CB) on the back end. They still need to land a NT, but with $80MM, they can make that happen.

yes, it’s unlikely. But so are most mock scenarios, and at least this is different, so enjoy.

flame suit on 

 

[SwampyMux12]

Well dude, I think there's about a snowball's chance in H-E-double hockey sticks that this could happen, but I sure as heck wouldn't complain if it did 🤣

[falconidae]

Teams trading that far up for a QB always overpay, no need to give them any other picks besides the first rounder. 

Doubt the Commanders would trade Young and make another hole they have to fill. Al for it if they do.

Think there's a reasonable chance the falcons can get quite a haul from one of the QB desperate teams behind them. Love to see them get a two firsts-this years and next and a second rounder this year.

Was always frustrated that TD never made that kind of trade to get picks, only gave them away. I'd love to see what Font could do with extra draft capital as well as extra cap space.

[EpicBird]

50 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Teams trading that far up for a QB always overpay, no need to give them any other picks besides the first rounder. 

Doubt the Commanders would trade Young and make another hole they have to fill. Al for it if they do.

Think there's a reasonable chance the falcons can get quite a haul from one of the QB desperate teams behind them. Love to see them get a two firsts-this years and next and a second rounder this year.

Was always frustrated that TD never made that kind of trade to get picks, only gave them away. I'd love to see what Font could do with extra draft capital as well as extra cap space.

Love this idea IF…pass rush is addressed in free agency. Trading out of 8 into the mid teens will mean passing on 1 or more potential impact edge rushers. It’s such a necessary and desperate need and it has to be fixed one way or the other (beyond just hoping a couple of guys develop) before next season. Agree that it’s hard to imagine Young being traded but stranger things have happened, I suppose. 

Edited January 12 by EpicBird

[FalconFanSince1969]

My girlfriend would get jealous if this happened cause I'd be cheating on her with this scenario

 

 

[Freddies 3rd Cuz]

Young ain't leaving the nations Capitol 

[PokerSteve]

3 hours ago, SwampyMux12 said:

Well dude, I think there's about a snowball's chance in H-E-double hockey sticks that this could happen, but I sure as heck wouldn't complain if it did 🤣

Yeah, if TF could maneuver around and end up with Payne, Chase Young and Joey Porter for that #8 pick, he'll have exceeded all conceivable expectations for the first round, and the whole rest of the draft. 😆

[FalconFan13]

I doubt they let Young go even for that price.    I would on the other hand not be against a pick 8 for 16 + Payne trade if they franchise him and we can work out a contract to trade him here locking him up long term.   Then at 16 we take a guy like Nolan Smith, Porter Jr, Gonzalez, Addison, Skoronski, Jones, or Johnson JR.   Heck they could even take Bijan Robinson there at RB to pair with Tyler and i wouldn't complain about it.   Turning 1 pick #8 into Payne + Robinson would be a win to me no matter what rather i wanted a RB or not lol.

[falconidae]

12 hours ago, EpicBird said:

Love this idea IF…pass rush is addressed in free agency. Trading out of 8 into the mid teens will mean passing on 1 or more potential impact edge rushers. It’s such a necessary and desperate need and it has to be fixed one way or the other (beyond just hoping a couple of guys develop) before next season. Agree that it’s hard to imagine Young being traded but stranger things have happened, I suppose. 

Cam Jordan was drafted 24th. There are studs throughout the first round. If I'm the GM, I'd want a ton of draft picks to move back, but give me enough , I'm moving back.

[1989Fan]

Looks like Rivera isn’t sold on even using the fifth year option on Chase Young. Getting him in a WAS trade up scenario may not be as far fetched as some thought…If they don’t commit to him it could look bad if he bounced back like Thomas Davis did after a rocky start with injuries.

https://sports.yahoo.com/ron-rivera-undecided-chase-young-004759654.html#:~:text=The Washington Commanders have until,Commanders pick up his option.

 

[PriMeTiiMe]

I can see them letting go of Payne for sure but I can’t see them also sending off Chase. I could maybe see them sending Sweat instead of Chase since they aren’t afforded with the luxury of the 5th year option in him but Id assume if they are letting Payne walk that money goes to Sweat in an extension.

[falconsd56]

On 1/11/2023 at 5:08 PM, falconidae said:

Doubt the Commanders would trade Young and make another hole they have to fill. Al for it if they do.

You would think so but apparently there is real conversation about them not extending his fifth year option.

So they could be looking at scenario of using him to shore up another position if there's a possibility of losing him for nothing.

Kudos to the op though.

I think he is the first person that I've seen mention trading for Young.

[falconsd56]

On 1/12/2023 at 6:18 AM, falconidae said:

Cam Jordan was drafted 24th. There are studs throughout the first round. If I'm the GM, I'd want a ton of draft picks to move back, but give me enough , I'm moving back.

It honestly just depends on the draft class.

But yeah I'm willing to move back.

 

We should have moved back in 2021.

[Swayzee]

36 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

It honestly just depends on the draft class.

But yeah I'm willing to move back.

 

We should have moved back in 2021.

We couldn't as we got trapped in no mans land. I think it was Albright that said we were absolutely taking Lance @#4, so we didn't want to move out because they were not sure that SF was going Lance. Makes sense, as if you remember there was a LOT of smoke with the 49ers and Mac Jones.

Edited February 10 by Swayzee

[kiwifalcon]

With regards to the Comnanders Dline just grab the odd man out they can’t pay everybody.In that respect let the chips fall then make your move.

[Sui_Generis]

If this were to happen, I would be happy if the Falcons took Gonzalez or Lukas Van Ness at 16. 

Even without Payne or Hargrove, some folks like Dremont Jones or Zach Allen paired with Young and a CB or Van Ness would be sweet. 

[Norwood all the way!]

I haven't paid too much attention to Chase since he was drafted but I feel like he's more of a name than anything else. Anyone care to enlighten me? 

Now with Nielsen at DC and his background, maybe Chase can really get it going in a new environment?

[falconsd56]

7 hours ago, Swayzee said:

We couldn't as we got trapped in no mans land. I think it was Albright that said we were absolutely taking Lance @#4, so we didn't want to move out because they were not sure that SF was going Lance. Makes sense, as if you remember there was a LOT of smoke with the 49ers and Mac Jones.

Oh we could have.

Denver wanted to trade up to 4.

That was presumably to take Pitts but if you watch the BTS of Pitts getting drafted you can hear TF telling "George" that ,"we are going to stay put" or something similar.

We don't know what they offered but we could have traded down and had our pick of defensive players.

 

[RookieBird]

I love the different mock scenarios each year. Go for it. I love fantasy football also. 

[Swayzee]

5 hours ago, falconsd56 said:

Oh we could have.

Denver wanted to trade up to 4.

That was presumably to take Pitts but if you watch the BTS of Pitts getting drafted you can hear TF telling "George" that ,"we are going to stay put" or something similar.

We don't know what they offered but we could have traded down and had our pick of defensive players.

 

Yeah I remember that.

I just believe we were not prepared to move the selection between the time the 49ers took Lance and we were on the clock. 

[1989Fan]

12 hours ago, Norwood all the way! said:

I haven't paid too much attention to Chase since he was drafted but I feel like he's more of a name than anything else. Anyone care to enlighten me? 

Now with Nielsen at DC and his background, maybe Chase can really get it going in a new environment?

Cliff notes version - absolutely lived up to the hype year 1, dealt w injuries last 2 seasons. There is some risk, but I don’t think it lies in his abilities to play ball.