Norwood all the way! Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) Did the buccs play/start any of their backups? If so, it could be skewing the numbers a bit. Armstrong on paper did well but taking his play throughout the year into account, I feel this is an outlier. Edited January 9 by Norwood all the way! Atlantafan21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Emmitt said: I’m not sure what else TA could have done yesterday. Maybe they docked him for hitting Rids arm and causing that fumble? I think it's more to do with the line and playcalling than anything else... https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-running-backs FINAL WORD Rushing success is often determined by a rusher’s run blocking, play calling, and the quality of the defense, so there are plenty of times where a player’s grade will not match up perfectly with his statistics. Our goal is to isolate the running back’s contribution to that production, and the runners with the highest grades are those who produce above expectation and outside what the run blocking or scheme allows. Rings and theProf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirds233 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 If we can grab a C and a true WR2 in free agency, then this will be pretty impressive offense and will allow the draft and rest of FA to be entirely focused on the defense. blizzard_falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 17 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: I was comparing td to the wife in bed lmao Oh, like that's any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, Lethal said: I think it's more to do with the line and playcalling than anything else... https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-running-backs FINAL WORD Rushing success is often determined by a rusher’s run blocking, play calling, and the quality of the defense, so there are plenty of times where a player’s grade will not match up perfectly with his statistics. Our goal is to isolate the running back’s contribution to that production, and the runners with the highest grades are those who produce above expectation and outside what the run blocking or scheme allows. So, essentially, he got penalized for playing behind a good line? Lethal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, falconidae said: So, essentially, he got penalized for playing behind a good line? Yep. That last line. Runners with the highest grades are those who produce above expectation so I am thinking TA's EPA was pretty high. Line did their jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel_Bird Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 15 minutes ago, Emmitt said: I’m not sure what else TA could have done yesterday. Maybe they docked him for hitting Rids arm and causing that fumble? Payback for when Ridder tripped him a couple games ago Emmitt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 21 minutes ago, Emmitt said: Armstrong looked good yesterday. He’s come a long way. Maybe he just needed some burn to get that experience. Dude's first start was as the #1 corner against the Bengals. That will teach you right away. Emmitt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swayzee Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, falconsd56 said: He doesn't have the injury history that Baker had. He has a heart condition. Nino11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 24 minutes ago, falconidae said: So, essentially, he got penalized for playing behind a good line? No, but the point of the grading system is to grade each player individually and grade them above or below expecations from say a league average player. The grading system is from -2 to positive 2 in 0.5 increments with 0 being expected. If there is a massive hole and he runs through it and gets what is expected...aka what a league average player would get, that would be a zero grade. So it didn't hurt him, but it also didn't help him. Lethal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantafan21 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 43 minutes ago, Norwood all the way! said: Did the buccs play/start any of their backups? If so, it could be skewing the numbers a bit. Armstrong on paper did well but taking his play throughout the year into account, I feel this is an outlier. Yeah, having one solid game all year does not indicate to me at all that he has what it takes to be CB2. Norwood all the way! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, NanoLedgerS said: #Falcons PFF Offensive Line 2022-2023 (Grade, Rank/Out Of) G Chris Lindstrom - 95.0, 1/136 OT Kaleb McGary - 86.6, 4/141 OT Jake Matthews - 77.2, 17/141 G Matt Hennessy - 75.4, 8/136 C Drew Dalman - 65.9, 15/57 i'd hate to break up this unit to be quite honest. I would be wary about letting McGary walk. Chicago is going to be looking to upgrade their oline and it looks like they're going to have almost twice as much cap space to work with. falconsd56, Lethal, Drew4719 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanoLedgerS Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said: I would be wary about letting McGary walk. Chicago is going to be looking to upgrade their oline and it looks like they're going to have almost twice as much cap space to work with. it looks like they have a lot more cap, i'd hate to break up the line i think they've built quite the chemistry and another year would make it even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theProf Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Norwood all the way! said: Did the buccs play/start any of their backups? If so, it could be skewing the numbers a bit. Armstrong on paper did well but taking his play throughout the year into account, I feel this is an outlier. Cornell Armstrong's 2022 PFF seasonal grade is a 57.2 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cornell-armstrong/50351 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 28 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said: I would be wary about letting McGary walk. Chicago is going to be looking to upgrade their oline and it looks like they're going to have almost twice as much cap space to work with. If we cut Mariota and Hayward we get to about 91m in space. We cannot compete with the Bears and their 120m in space, but it helps bridge the gap. I think Kaleb is an obvious resign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightsaidfred Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Nino11 said: I just hope he doesn’t pull a Sam Baker He won't. His arms are much longer.............. 😜 theProf and Nino11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing Floor Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Lindstrom crushing. Andersen needs to make a leap in offseason. He has flashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, hjerry said: Lindstrom about to become a very rich man And it'll be one of the best moves the franchise has ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 9 minutes ago, Killing Floor said: Lindstrom crushing. Andersen needs to make a leap in offseason. He has flashes. He's got a freaking long way to go. If we don't add more high quality LBers this offseason or draft we are going to have another long season on that side of the field. Emmitt and Killing Floor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwood all the way! Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 16 minutes ago, theProf said: Cornell Armstrong's 2022 PFF seasonal grade is a 57.2 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cornell-armstrong/50351 So it is an outlier blizzard_falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celtiksage Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, falconidae said: How does Allgeier end up at 69? Looked like a better game than that. Hahaha right. Prolly gonna be OPOW and gets a 69 grade. He was also blowing up blitzes. Emmitt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theProf Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Killing Floor said: Lindstrom crushing. Andersen needs to make a leap in offseason. He has flashes. Troy Andersen did flash his athleticism on some plays, but he was also a non-factor in many plays. His consistency, awareness, recognition skills, instincts, and reaction time need a lot of work, which is expected with someone so raw. Andersen's 2022 PFF grade is just 40.2 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cornell-armstrong/50351 Killing Floor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 27 minutes ago, theProf said: Troy Andersen did flash his athleticism on some plays, but he was also a non-factor in many plays. His consistency, awareness, recognition skills, instincts, and reaction time need a lot of work, which is expected with someone so raw. Andersen's 2022 PFF grade is just 40.2 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cornell-armstrong/50351 In my experience as a fan "experiments" with raw player's RARELY pan out. I hope Andersen is an exception but I wouldn't hold my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theProf Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 4 hours ago, Nino11 said: I’m not terribly opposed to signing McGary back but with a weak free agency class at tackle we might have to overpay a bit. I just hope he doesn’t pull a Sam Baker Does anyone happen to know PFF's Pass Protection grade for McGary in this game and for the year? He can look ok in pass protection on some snaps, but can get completely destroyed in other snaps, like yesterday when Akeem Hicks blew him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sipifalcon Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 8 hours ago, NanoLedgerS said: #Falcons PFF Offensive Line 2022-2023 (Grade, Rank/Out Of) G Chris Lindstrom - 95.0, 1/136 OT Kaleb McGary - 86.6, 4/141 OT Jake Matthews - 77.2, 17/141 G Matt Hennessy - 75.4, 8/136 C Drew Dalman - 65.9, 15/57 i'd hate to break up this unit to be quite honest. Now this is what I'm talking about! What a difference a yr make! NanoLedgerS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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