Updated draft status (Currently Pick #7)

[Vandy]

2 hours ago, celtiksage said:

Yeah I can definitely see 3 and there's 3 teams in the top 5 that really need a QB if you include Seattle.

I don't see a lot of desperate teams. Carr is probably going somewhere, and someone is going to think Geno is an option after this year, whether that is Seattle or someone else takes him on as a bridge QB. There's also Jimmy G that could start somewhere.

As for talent, there's really only 3 QBs that might be worth a first round risk and those are Young, Stroud and maybe Levis. There's always this hype about QBs, even last year when we took the 2nd QB off the board in round 3. Don't forget too with the new eligibility rules, at least a couple of these QBs are going to be 25 and 26 in their rookie seasons, and that has to devalue them. 

The draft experts even think Richardson and Hendon are a good year away from even being NFL ready after they get drafted. Are teams willing to wait on that? I guess it depends on where you are in the hiring/firing cycle. Maybe Denver could do it and other teams with year 1 coaches.

I can easily see another draft where 2 QBs go fast off the board, and then maybe one more late in the first, followed by a 2 round drought before another QB is taken in round 3.

Carr, Jimmy, Geno would go to teams who (rightfully or wrongly) believe they can win now. Titans/Tampa/Redskins/NE/Aints/Jets maybe. The others will have to address QB either in The draft or stick with what’s not working.
 

When I say desperate, I’m speaking about teams that have been mired in mediocrity for so long they will lose their fan base if they don’t give them some hope for the future. Much like us (at least for now) with Ridder, a young (but unproven) QB gives some hope for brighter days ahead. fans tire real quickly with mediocrity. I would think besides some of the obvious QB desperate teams (Indy, Houston, panthers) teams such as Oakland, Washington, Aints, Seattle (if they move on from Geno) and even rams would be interested in a young college QB with a 1st round pedigree. 
 

Theres 10 or more teams in league with uncertain if not downright shaky QB situations, including us. 

[Ridder Me This]

Terrible management by the Falcons again...shouldve lost to ARZ...

Would be picking #4...

Only HOU has major hole at QB picking ahead of us, so couldve had pick of Levis or Stroud, but now Indy is ahead of us...

We need to finish ahead of Indy to at least have shot at 2nd best QB in draft, if we think that is the route we want to go QB

[jidady]

17 minutes ago, Matt_The Iceman_Ryan said:

Terrible management by the Falcons again...shouldve lost to ARZ...

 

Gross.

[FalconFanSince1969]

43 minutes ago, jidady said:

Gross.

I'm sure that defeat of some qb who bloughs will be that building block for the future. Didn't happen the past 6 years but I just know it will this time 

[falconidae]

8 hours ago, Matt_The Iceman_Ryan said:

Terrible management by the Falcons again...shouldve lost to ARZ...

Would be picking #4...

Only HOU has major hole at QB picking ahead of us, so couldve had pick of Levis or Stroud, but now Indy is ahead of us...

We need to finish ahead of Indy to at least have shot at 2nd best QB in draft, if we think that is the route we want to go QB

The fact that the same teams are always drafting in the top 5 would seem to indicate that drafting top 5 ain't necessarily the best thing.

[Diesel_Bird]

38 minutes ago, falconidae said:

The fact that the same teams are always drafting in the top 5 would seem to indicate that drafting top 5 ain't necessarily the best thing.

Look at the afc teams In the playoffs and where their qbs were drafted. Having said that, I don’t see any qbs in this draft that resemble them.  No Allen’s, no maholms, no borrow, no Herbert. 

[jidady]

1 hour ago, falconidae said:

The fact that the same teams are always drafting in the top 5 would seem to indicate that drafting top 5 ain't necessarily the best thing.

That's not even the wild part. Apparently, some Falcons fans WISH we were one of those teams always drafting in the top 5!

[FalconFanSince1969]

5 hours ago, falconidae said:

The fact that the same teams are always drafting in the top 5 would seem to indicate that drafting top 5 ain't necessarily the best thing.

Three teams have picked 1 in the past 10 years and played In a super bowl with two winning.   The Rams, Bengals and chiefs. The 49ers have picked in the top 5 three times in the last 6 years. How do you think they built their defense 

[Vandy]

46 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

Three teams have picked 1 in the past 10 years and played In a super bowl with two winning.   The Rams, Bengals and chiefs. The 49ers have picked in the top 5 three times in the last 6 years. How do you think they built their defense 

Rams pick of Jared Goff and 49ers pick of Solomon Thomas were largely considered failures, while Trey Lance is looking doubtful as well. And peeps forget just how much maligned #1 pick Eric Fisher was his first few seasons with chiefs.  
 

For every rare (49ers) success of a team who chronically picked at top of draft for a long stretch, you can find 5 teams that stayed mired in failure. It’s not a recipe for success. 
 

Let’s hope we are following the 49ers rare path forward.

[etherdome]

On 1/4/2023 at 4:16 PM, Vandy said:

Carr, Jimmy, Geno would go to teams who (rightfully or wrongly) believe they can win now. Titans/Tampa/Redskins/NE/Aints/Jets maybe. The others will have to address QB either in The draft or stick with what’s not working.
 

When I say desperate, I’m speaking about teams that have been mired in mediocrity for so long they will lose their fan base if they don’t give them some hope for the future. Much like us (at least for now) with Ridder, a young (but unproven) QB gives some hope for brighter days ahead. fans tire real quickly with mediocrity. I would think besides some of the obvious QB desperate teams (Indy, Houston, panthers) teams such as Oakland, Washington, Aints, Seattle (if they move on from Geno) and even rams would be interested in a young college QB with a 1st round pedigree. 
 

Theres 10 or more teams in league with uncertain if not downright shaky QB situations, including us. 

Vandy, I respect your opinion.  Do you really think that our QB situation is shaky?

I think we have a legitimate keeper in Ridder.  I like his poise, and mobility.  Coming out of college there were a lot of criticisms of Ridder's accuracy and poor throwing mechanics.  I think he has been pretty darn accurate with his throws.  I think I have seen one or two errant passes, but by in large they are catchable.  Matt Ryan was considered very accurate, but I thought he threw too many high balls that relied on great plays from his receivers.

I think Ridder has the right psychological make up to become a better than average QB.  Does a winning team really need more than that? 

[FalconFanSince1969]

5 minutes ago, etherdome said:

Vandy, I respect your opinion.  Do you really think that our QB situation is shaky?

I think we have a legitimate keeper in Ridder.  I like his poise, and mobility.  Coming out of college there were a lot of criticisms of Ridder's accuracy and poor throwing mechanics.  I think he has been pretty darn accurate with his throws.  I think I have seen one or two errant passes, but by in large they are catchable.  Matt Ryan was considered very accurate, but I thought he threw too many high balls that relied on great plays from his receivers.

I think Ridder has the right psychological make up to become a better than average QB.  Does a winning team really need more than that? 

We have a large unknown in ridder and no backup....how do you call that anything but shaky?

[Frank_The_Tank]

9 minutes ago, etherdome said:

Vandy, I respect your opinion.  Do you really think that our QB situation is shaky?

I think we have a legitimate keeper in Ridder.  I like his poise, and mobility.  Coming out of college there were a lot of criticisms of Ridder's accuracy and poor throwing mechanics.  I think he has been pretty darn accurate with his throws.  I think I have seen one or two errant passes, but by in large they are catchable.  Matt Ryan was considered very accurate, but I thought he threw too many high balls that relied on great plays from his receivers.

I think Ridder has the right psychological make up to become a better than average QB.  Does a winning team really need more than that? 

I agree with you here. I too believe we have something in Ridder. As for the Falcons, I think their focus is on the other side of the ball. We need to come out of this draft with top-end, undeniable difference makers for the defense.

Edited January 6 by Frank_The_Tank

[FalconFanSince1969]

16 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Rams pick of Jared Goff and 49ers pick of Solomon Thomas were largely considered failures, while Trey Lance is looking doubtful as well. And peeps forget just how much maligned #1 pick Eric Fisher was his first few seasons with chiefs.  
 

For every rare (49ers) success of a team who chronically picked at top of draft for a long stretch, you can find 5 teams that stayed mired in failure. It’s not a recipe for success. 
 

Let’s hope we are following the 49ers rare path forward.

I can pick three of those rare teams in the past 5 years. 49ers, Bengals and now the lions are well on their way. 

 

The Jets and giants are right on the cusp also.

 

All had multiple top 5 draft picks the last few years 

[etherdome]

2 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

We have a large unknown in ridder and no backup....how do you call that anything but shaky?

Ridder has played well.  Do you doubt that he is a legitimate starting QB? 

He has played behind an OL that has had issues in pass protection.  He has only one good receiver that is a rookie and who is constantly double-teamed.  While Ridder's passing numbers are not out of this world, he has not been disastrous.  I expect him to continue to improve and look much better next season with Pitts and London at his disposal. 

With regards to the back up QB, I am not worried.  We will acquire one. 

[etherdome]

6 minutes ago, Frank_The_Tank said:

I agree with you here. I too believe we have something in Ridder. As for the Falcons, I think their focus is on the other side of the ball. We need to come out of this draft with top-end, undeniable difference makers for the defense.

I think FA will be devoted to the defense.  As far as the draft goes, I think TF will stick to his BPA philosophy in the early rounds.  My guess is that the BPA in the first round will either be a CB, OT or DL.  And  that fits into our needs pretty well. 

[Frank_The_Tank]

13 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

We have a large unknown in ridder and no backup....how do you call that anything but shaky?

I think the last couple of weeks have proven that Ridder can play in this league. His level of play will be dependent upon the Falcons brass' ability to put enough pieces around him to be successful. 

We're a veteran backup QB and young prospect away from settling the QB position. I don't want to see the Falcons go after Carr or anyone like that in the off-season.

Give this guy the opportunity to enter the off-season knowing he's the man. We'll probably learn a lot more about him too. How he prepares mentally and physically. Voluntary workouts with teammates. All that jazz.

Edited January 6 by Frank_The_Tank

[PriMeTiiMe]

6 hours ago, falconidae said:

The fact that the same teams are always drafting in the top 5 would seem to indicate that drafting top 5 ain't necessarily the best thing.

All it takes is drafting the right guys. Does not matter if its pick 1 or pick 20. Bengals sure did enjoy those 2 top 5 picks with Burrow and Chase and now are SB contenders for the next decade.  Chargers got Herbert and Bosa.

The problem is a lot of the teams in the top 5 don't have a QB and reach to draft the wrong new QB and that sets them back to many more years of purgatory. 

[FalconFanSince1969]

5 minutes ago, etherdome said:

Ridder has played well.  Do you doubt that he is a legitimate starting QB? 

He has played behind an OL that has had issues in pass protection.  He has only one good receiver that is a rookie and who is constantly double-teamed.  While Ridder's passing numbers are not out of this world, he has not been disastrous.  I expect him to continue to improve and look much better next season with Pitts and London at his disposal. 

With regards to the back up QB, I am not worried.  We will acquire one. 

Ridder has simply played OK. Not good not bad. He's managed games for us. The lack of mistakes is promising but there has also been a lot of should be ints. I agree he lacks weapons right now. I disagree about the ol. They've been a strength and are rated highly by anybody who rates ol.

[Vandy]

2 hours ago, etherdome said:

Vandy, I respect your opinion.  Do you really think that our QB situation is shaky?

I think we have a legitimate keeper in Ridder.  I like his poise, and mobility.  Coming out of college there were a lot of criticisms of Ridder's accuracy and poor throwing mechanics.  I think he has been pretty darn accurate with his throws.  I think I have seen one or two errant passes, but by in large they are catchable.  Matt Ryan was considered very accurate, but I thought he threw too many high balls that relied on great plays from his receivers.

I think Ridder has the right psychological make up to become a better than average QB.  Does a winning team really need more than that? 

As I do yours, my friend…

Yes, I’m patiently hopeful, but I’m not there yet as most in here seem to be. I think most outside observers would agree he’s got to show more in being able to consistently make the throws. 

I do agree with you, he has the psychological makeup which goes a long way, but it does take sufficient arm talent as well to be a successful NFL QB. Peeps rightfully point to our weak WRers and inconsistent pass protection, but I’ve seen some really bad throws and poor pocket awareness as well. 
 

We really need Des to be the guy, so we can continue investing our premium draft picks in building out the rest of the team. Like I said I’m hopeful, we shall see. 

 

[FalconFanSince1969]

2 hours ago, PriMeTiiMe said:

All it takes is drafting the right guys. Does not matter if its pick 1 or pick 20. Bengals sure did enjoy those 2 top 5 picks with Burrow and Chase and now are SB contenders for the next decade.  Chargers got Herbert and Bosa.

The problem is a lot of the teams in the top 5 don't have a QB and reach to draft the wrong new QB and that sets them back to many more years of purgatory. 

This. The teams constantly in the top 5 are the teams that can't hit on a qb

 

[Vandy]

2 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

I can pick three of those rare teams in the past 5 years. 49ers, Bengals and now the lions are well on their way. 

 

The Jets and giants are right on the cusp also.

 

All had multiple top 5 draft picks the last few years 

Most of those teams had been awful to mediocre for decades….which was my point. It’s way more important about getting the right management team/coach in place than the draft position. 

[Banana Bandit]

On 1/4/2023 at 4:16 PM, Vandy said:

Carr, Jimmy, Geno would go to teams who (rightfully or wrongly) believe they can win now. Titans/Tampa/Redskins/NE/Aints/Jets maybe. The others will have to address QB either in The draft or stick with what’s not working.
 

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[falconidae]

Not looking like the Raiders are going to help us out by winning, at the moment.

[falconidae]

Well, I was right, Raiders will now draft in front of the falcons no matter the results of tomorrow's games. Really need Carolina to beat NO tomorrow.  And the rams to beat the seahawks.
 

Falcons sit at 8 right now., they could draft 7th 8th or 9th.

Falcons loss and Rams win means 7th pick.

If Falcon, Rams and Carolina all lose, 8th

Falcons win, Carolina wins 8th pick

Falcons win,  and Carolina loss means 9th 

 

SOS could change enough to make a difference, but I don't think so. I also don't have any way to do the math, or the inclination to do so.

If Falcons end up at 8 and the panther at 9, I hope the falcons trade with the panthers, get a bunch of picks, the panthers take Richardson and he just never becomes a quality QB.