Updated draft status (Currently Pick #7)

[Spongebob]

18 minutes ago, kenn.junior said:

im not sure what youre talking about? the bengals have been bad up until last year im not saying they are good cuz of chase im saying the team hasnt been good until the year they picked chase in. they grew with young talent on offense and defense. i hope youre not thinking i believe chase is the reason theyre good cuz thats not what i meant. 

I agree with this statement. 

We need to grow with young talent on offense and defense.

Who is our young talent on defense? Our playmakers? We have AJT. Outside of him we have an aging Grady and some potentially promising young guys who have flashed. We need to start prioritizing defense. I don't want a team that's good for one year I'm hoping TF and AS can establish longevity. And that starts with having good established lines who can win the battle up front imo.

We have 2 top 10 pass catchers and our running game is our strength and identity. We don't need another high pick as a pass catcher. On offense build out our strength, our running game by complementing TA with a change of pace back and some more quality olinemen. Supplement our pass catchers with mid tier free agents who complement drake and Pitts strengths.

 

But most of all find a defense..there's no excuse this year.

[Spongebob]

2 minutes ago, Geaux_Falcons said:

That's not what you were saying though. The Eagles draft every position if it's either what they need or they feel is the BPA. They passed on Micah Parsons to pick DeVonta Smith. They could've taken Rashawn Slater after giving up 65 sacks in 2020, but they didn't.

Think how much better they would be with slater and Parsons. 

[oSI7ENT]

8 hours ago, FalconFan13 said:

Can't say i agree with that i think he goes #5 to Indy.   I've got Young going to Houston,  Anderson and Carter going to Bears and Seattle, then  Kyler is already on the Cards.      Indy is probably best shot for him to go in the top 5 at this point.  

Yup Young to Houston Shroud to Indy, we’d have to trade up to 4 to get Shroud.

 

I’d be all in for it though, build defense through free agency, 

[1989Fan]

35 minutes ago, Spongebob said:

Think how much better they would be with slater and Parsons. 

Well, they would certainly be better with those guys, but they do have an amazing OL and set and NFL record this year as the first team ever to have 4 pass rushers with 10+ sacks each. (Must be nice)

[jidady]

37 minutes ago, Spongebob said:

Think how much better they would be with slater and Parsons. 

You really are flailing here and need to stop. The Eagles have the best offensive line in football and one of the top five defenses in DVOA.

[Spongebob]

2 minutes ago, 1989Fan said:

Well, they would certainly be better with those guys, but they do have an amazing OL and set and NFL record this year as the first team ever to have 4 pass rushers with 10+ sacks each. (Must be nice)

When a team approaches this point, by all means start a TE top 5 or WR top 10. But even then, they have to keep supplying new blood on the lines imo

[g-dawg]

just feel safe that  whereever the talent dropoff is - the Falcons will have the next pick - it really is looking that way.   The top 4 especially are grouped together (Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, Bryce Young and CJ Stroud).

I would probably look hard at Myles Murphy, Bryan Breese and Broderick Jones at next level - probably in that order.

 

[Spongebob]

Just now, jidady said:

You really are flailing here and need to stop. The Eagles have the best offensive line in football and one of the top five defenses in DVOA.

How did they get there lol. Are you saying the eagles have followed the falcons strategy of drafting pass catchers top 10? If so, I would be flailing. And even if they have top 5,.I'd still draft Parsons and slater above devonta smith.

Once you have the lines set, you grab receivers in Rd 5 and they turn into superstars. 

[jidady]

8 minutes ago, Spongebob said:

How did they get there lol.

Since this is going so badly for you, I'm not going to give you a fish. I'm going to teach you to fish by assigning you homework. Literally nothing you're saying applies to the Eagles. They're the opposite. Go figure out how the Eagles acquired the starters on their offensive line. Hopefully, you'll learn something about player personnel along the way. Good luck!

[Spongebob]

2 minutes ago, jidady said:

Since this is going so badly for you, I'm not going to give you a fish. I'm going to teach you to fish by assigning you homework. Literally nothing you're saying applies to the Eagles. They're the opposite. Go figure out how the Eagles acquired the starters on their offensive line. Hopefully, you'll learn something about player personnel along the way. Good luck!

Thank you for you wisdom sensei. I don't know what I would do without your help

[jidady]

Just now, Spongebob said:

Thank you for you wisdom sensei. I don't know what I would do without your help

[dirtybirds233]

2 hours ago, g-dawg said:

I would probably look hard at Myles Murphy, Bryan Breese and Broderick Jones at next level - probably in that order.

 

Murphy seems to be the consensus #3 DL in most prospect ratings as of now. If the Falcons stay at #7, there's likely to be 2-3 QB's go 1-6, then it's highly likely Murphy is there. 

Unless some team tries to outsmart themselves (see Travon Walker last year) and Anderson or Carter fall to #7 😎

[FalconFan13]

7 hours ago, jetpac said:

Yup Young to Houston Shroud to Indy, we’d have to trade up to 4 to get Shroud.

 

I’d be all in for it though, build defense through free agency, 

I like stroud but not enough to give up extra picks to get him.  I'm much more willing to give ridder who I like quite a bit as well the full season next year.  Then if he fails go into next year's draft and take one of Caleb, Mayes, or ewer all 3 of which I like more than young and stroud this year.  I'm cool with stroud if he falls to 8 or 9 and we pick there and all the other good top 10 dline and online are gone. 

[oSI7ENT]

2 hours ago, FalconFan13 said:

I like stroud but not enough to give up extra picks to get him.  I'm much more willing to give ridder who I like quite a bit as well the full season next year.  Then if he fails go into next year's draft and take one of Caleb, Mayes, or ewer all 3 of which I like more than young and stroud this year.  I'm cool with stroud if he falls to 8 or 9 and we pick there and all the other good top 10 dline and online are gone. 

Gotta hit on those picks. otherwise they are meaningless… Ala Takk

[Vandy]

13 hours ago, dirtybirds233 said:

Murphy seems to be the consensus #3 DL in most prospect ratings as of now. If the Falcons stay at #7, there's likely to be 2-3 QB's go 1-6, then it's highly likely Murphy is there. 

Unless some team tries to outsmart themselves (see Travon Walker last year) and Anderson or Carter fall to #7 😎

Happens pretty much every year. 

[falconidae]

2 hours ago, Vandy said:

Happens pretty much every year. 

Going to be a really interesting leading up to the draft.  Of the teams that will draft ahead of the Falcons in the first round, you'd expect Houston and Indy to take QBs, maybe Seattle. I wouldn't expect Chicago, Detroit or Arizona to take a QB.

There are several teams that might that draft a QB picking after the falcons- the rest of the teams in the division, maybe GB, Washington, Las Vegas, Tenn, Jets.

Falcons might be in the position to trade down with a team and pick up a ton of draft picks, if a QB needy team panics about the 3rd or 4th QB going off the board before they can get to them. or benefit from teams trading for a QB in front of them and a stud defensive player falling to them.

Ideal situation for a trade back  is that the Falcons are at 7 and Stroud & Young are off the board, the Jets at 13, panicked that someone else will trade with the Falcons, give up 2 firsts and a second this year to get Richardson.  

 

[PriMeTiiMe]

8 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Ideal situation for a trade back  is that the Falcons are at 7 and Stroud & Young are off the board, the Jets at 13, panicked that someone else will trade with the Falcons, give up 2 firsts and a second this year to get Richardson.  

Yes please. Levis should also be off the board by the time we are up at 7.

Texans Young
Seahawks Stroud
Colts Levis

Panthers AND Raiders are likely to want a QB so Jets move up with us to get Richardson. Makes sense to me.

We need pick 7 for this to happen. Please SOS gods do us a favor in week 18.

[celtiksage]

36 minutes ago, PriMeTiiMe said:

Yes please. Levis should also be off the board by the time we are up at 7.

Texans Young
Seahawks Stroud
Colts Levis

Panthers AND Raiders are likely to want a QB so Jets move up with us to get Richardson. Makes sense to me.

We need pick 7 for this to happen. Please SOS gods do us a favor in week 18.

No way 4 QBs go in the top 10. They just aren't that good.

If we win, we pick 9th. If we lose, I expect we fall to 8 if Carolina also loses. A lot of the teams they've played (that we haven't) are playing first place teams and will probably lose, lowering their SOS. If we win, nothing really matters and we pick 9. If we don't beat Tampa, we need Carolina and the Rams to win to move to 6; otherwise, looks like we'll drop to 8 if we all lose. I don't expect the Raiders to beat KC, but their SOS will rise.

[Serge]

22 hours ago, Spongebob said:

I agree with this statement. 

We need to grow with young talent on offense and defense.

Who is our young talent on defense? Our playmakers? We have AJT. Outside of him we have an aging Grady and some potentially promising young guys who have flashed. We need to start prioritizing defense. I don't want a team that's good for one year I'm hoping TF and AS can establish longevity. And that starts with having good established lines who can win the battle up front imo.

We have 2 top 10 pass catchers and our running game is our strength and identity. We don't need another high pick as a pass catcher. On offense build out our strength, our running game by complementing TA with a change of pace back and some more quality olinemen. Supplement our pass catchers with mid tier free agents who complement drake and Pitts strengths.

 

But most of all find a defense..there's no excuse this year.

There probably isn't a receiver in this draft worth a top-10 pick unless Quentin Johnston jumps out of the combine, and even then, we already have a couple of really good big receivers, that's really high to take a guy to be our third or forth option in the passing game unless he's giving our offense a completely new dimension. This draft is deep enough at receiver that we ought to be able to find a guy in the middle rounds who can develop into a solid #2 wideout. 

Depending on where we pick though, it looks like we're either going to get lucky, or we'll be picking right after the guys who are perfect for Pees's defense come off the board. It might be better to trade down if we miss out on the top edge rushers, especially if a hopeful contender offers us a Julio-type package to move up for Johnston. Top-10 is high for an interior lineman in a WC-type offense unless he's really something special.

[falconidae]

25 minutes ago, celtiksage said:

No way 4 QBs go in the top 10. They just aren't that good.

If we win, we pick 9th. If we lose, I expect we fall to 8 if Carolina also loses. A lot of the teams they've played (that we haven't) are playing first place teams and will probably lose, lowering their SOS. If we win, nothing really matters and we pick 9. If we don't beat Tampa, we need Carolina and the Rams to win to move to 6; otherwise, looks like we'll drop to 8 if we all lose. I don't expect the Raiders to beat KC, but their SOS will rise.

I can see three QBs going top ten

Teams panic about QBs almost every year.  Richardson, for example is probably going to blow people away with his measurables at the combine and some HC will convince himself that he can fix his game.

If the 3rd QB is available when the Falcons pick, I'm all for getting extra picks.

 

[Vandy]

37 minutes ago, celtiksage said:

No way 4 QBs go in the top 10. They just aren't that good.

If we win, we pick 9th. If we lose, I expect we fall to 8 if Carolina also loses. A lot of the teams they've played (that we haven't) are playing first place teams and will probably lose, lowering their SOS. If we win, nothing really matters and we pick 9. If we don't beat Tampa, we need Carolina and the Rams to win to move to 6; otherwise, looks like we'll drop to 8 if we all lose. I don't expect the Raiders to beat KC, but their SOS will rise.

They aren’t, but that’s never stopped desperate teams before.
 

See 2021….These guys are more talented than Mac Jones, and arguably mucho more nfl ready than Trey Lance was.  

[PriMeTiiMe]

39 minutes ago, celtiksage said:

No way 4 QBs go in the top 10. They just aren't that good.

If we win, we pick 9th. If we lose, I expect we fall to 8 if Carolina also loses. A lot of the teams they've played (that we haven't) are playing first place teams and will probably lose, lowering their SOS. If we win, nothing really matters and we pick 9. If we don't beat Tampa, we need Carolina and the Rams to win to move to 6; otherwise, looks like we'll drop to 8 if we all lose. I don't expect the Raiders to beat KC, but their SOS will rise.

anything is possible. A lot of QB hungry teams.

Good to know about the the SOS, I will hope for the best lol

[Herr Doktor]

I don't see us going QB, but I think alot changes with FA.  Once we see them rolling on that we will have a far better idea.  I would say that we draft super high upside guys that have a chance to start right away.  Thats more than likely CB, WR, OT, DT, LB.

[Spongebob]

1 hour ago, Serge said:

There probably isn't a receiver in this draft worth a top-10 pick unless Quentin Johnston jumps out of the combine, and even then, we already have a couple of really good big receivers, that's really high to take a guy to be our third or forth option in the passing game unless he's giving our offense a completely new dimension. This draft is deep enough at receiver that we ought to be able to find a guy in the middle rounds who can develop into a solid #2 wideout. 

Depending on where we pick though, it looks like we're either going to get lucky, or we'll be picking right after the guys who are perfect for Pees's defense come off the board. It might be better to trade down if we miss out on the top edge rushers, especially if a hopeful contender offers us a Julio-type package to move up for Johnston. Top-10 is high for an interior lineman in a WC-type offense unless he's really something special.

Oh this is the falcons. We will miss out on the top pass rushers haha. Some how some way management needs to figure out how to pick/draft good pass rushers who aren't slated top 10. Some good teams hit on pass rushers regularly, so I think it may have more to do with coaching them the players we choose?? 

I am a fan of trading down always. A team is never one player away and there are lots of injuries in football. There are future pro bowlers throughout the draft. 

[celtiksage]

3 hours ago, falconidae said:

I can see three QBs going top ten

Teams panic about QBs almost every year.  Richardson, for example is probably going to blow people away with his measurables at the combine and some HC will convince himself that he can fix his game.

If the 3rd QB is available when the Falcons pick, I'm all for getting extra picks.

 

Yeah I can definitely see 3 and there's 3 teams in the top 5 that really need a QB if you include Seattle.

3 hours ago, Vandy said:

They aren’t, but that’s never stopped desperate teams before.
 

See 2021….These guys are more talented than Mac Jones, and arguably mucho more nfl ready than Trey Lance was.  

I don't see a lot of desperate teams. Carr is probably going somewhere, and someone is going to think Geno is an option after this year, whether that is Seattle or someone else takes him on as a bridge QB. There's also Jimmy G that could start somewhere.

As for talent, there's really only 3 QBs that might be worth a first round risk and those are Young, Stroud and maybe Levis. There's always this hype about QBs, even last year when we took the 2nd QB off the board in round 3. Don't forget too with the new eligibility rules, at least a couple of these QBs are going to be 25 and 26 in their rookie seasons, and that has to devalue them. 

The draft experts even think Richardson and Hendon are a good year away from even being NFL ready after they get drafted. Are teams willing to wait on that? I guess it depends on where you are in the hiring/firing cycle. Maybe Denver could do it and other teams with year 1 coaches.

I can easily see another draft where 2 QBs go fast off the board, and then maybe one more late in the first, followed by a 2 round drought before another QB is taken in round 3.