Ridders throws

[Boise Falcon Fan]

The receivers did not do their job in this game, the OL wasn't great, and Ridder did some good/some bad. Here's hoping he, and the team show improvement in the next game.

[FalconsFanSince194eva]

57 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

It just occurred to me -- I didn't notice any wild snaps from Dalman this game.  Is it possible he and Mariota weren't on the same page with the cadence?

No wild snaps, there were a few low ones though.

[FalconsFanSince194eva]

33 minutes ago, The Don™ said:

Thanks for this.

My observations from it. 

Need more receiver talent and we miss Pitts. Outside of London, this WR group is bad. Even London needs some fine tuning with his routes.

Ridder hesitated for a second a lot and that's all it takes in the NFL for a window to close. There were open guys he missed because he hesitated. For example, on that cover two coverage, it was a perfect playcall. AS said yesterday he's gotta trust his arm and himself more in general. I see what AS was saying after watching this. 

Didn't go through progressions quick enough. That was his knock coming out. He had guys open if he saw them. 

Some communication issues with the receivers which is expected. That comes with time.

With more WR talent and Des progressing, I'd like to see the passing offense open up more too and scheme guys open more. I still think AS can do a better job with those things. 

The good thing about all these negatives is they can improve with adjustment to the NFL speed.

[RetroRoq]

One thing I noticed with Ridder and the snaps from center, Ridder employed a rapid clap a lot of the time when it came time for the snap.

Now, that could have been something that was put in to deal with crowd noise, but it seemed to help.  I dont remember Mariota ever using that rapid clap technique.

[Williamb]

1 hour ago, gazoo said:

So on 4th and 5 Ridder made the money play by placing a perfectly thrown well executed dart into tight coverage for the game tying score minimum, likely given how well we were moving the ball a game winning TD.

Ridder actually DID make the money play in crunch time.

I agree. I was pointing out that he had already made the play for the tie at minimum.

[PriMeTiiMe]

About what most thought. Some good, Some bad. Hostile situation, division rival on road and under nonstop pressure thanks to our Line turning into traffic cones for 97% of the game. Outside of Drake our WRs were just out there doing cardio because they sure as **** were not trying to actually get open.

I thought he was trying to do too much early on and the playcalling sure as **** did not help. 

As time went on while he still made mistakes he improved.

Cannot and I repeat cannot throw those 2 passes that should have been intercepted. Both were Stevie Wonder reads.

[falcndave]

8 hours ago, Tribal Chief said:

Things only a few have mentioned for $500

I think they have been mentioned, even by the "realist," but they are buried as single responses deep in threads. 

[Nino11]

5 hours ago, Vandy said:

He was pretty bad, as bad if not worse than Mariotta had been in his worst games. He/we were fortunate he didn’t throw a couple picks if not for Aints butterfingers.

I‘m not down on him, he’s a rookie QB on a bad roster. And as we know it was his first career start/appearance and in a hostile environment, so it’s reasonable to have expected a rough 1st game and hope for steady improvement from here. 
 

The biggest positive for me is how coolly he threw that dart to Drake that was unfortunately fumbled. Gotta see more, but a good indication he perhaps has that same ‘it’ of a winner that he showed in college. 
 

 

The Mariota comparisons are gonna come, I get it. I never expected him to come in and be overall better than Mariota by the first game. While I did except a better passing display, My expectations weren’t super high. I expect him to improve in each game though. I just graded this game on a curve 

[Tribal Chief]

1 hour ago, Nino11 said:

The Mariota comparisons are gonna come, I get it. I never expected him to come in and be overall better than Mariota by the first game. While I did except a better passing display, My expectations weren’t super high. I expect him to improve in each game though. I just graded this game on a curve 

Did you only grade him or did you put everything into perspective?

[Dirtybirdhundo]

Way better than mariota not throwing a lock on that last throw to london

[Nino11]

6 hours ago, Tribal Chief said:

Did you only grade him or did you put everything into perspective?

The whole shabang. Hostile environment, 1st game on the road against a heated rival, down a major piece of the offense in Pitts. in the middle of a losing streak, with him being a rookie. I really knew it would be uphill once we went down 14-0 before the play by play guys got into the booth. 

[SwampyMux12]

Interesting video I saw didn't really knock Ridder too hard for the almost pick 6. Don't know how legit the guy is, but seemed like he knew what he was talking about. Said it was basically a very common rookie mistake. Said in college, that type of play is a TD most of the time, but not being used to the speed of an NFL Db, you think you can squeeze that one in there because it works in college. Overall he said it was one of the weirdest games he's seen a rookie QB play, but definitely not the worst. I'll see if I can find the video.

[SwampyMux12]

 

[gazoo]

12 hours ago, Williamb said:

I agree. I was pointing out that he had already made the play for the tie at minimum.

Oh yes, I knew that was what you were saying, I was just restating it for the haters to have to read 😆 

[Rings]

13 hours ago, JDaveG said:

There were enough shotgun snaps you'd think it would have showed up and it didn't. 

My biggest fear is Dalman just had an exceptional game and will revert to the mean, but I think you're right about his history, so hopefully this is fixed now.

I’d be terrified to turn my back on that oline against the Saints pass rush too lol.

[PeytonMannings Forehead]

I just went and looked through the All-22.

It was a mixed bag. The playbook Is clearly pared down, and there were some odd play designs here and there, but there wasn’t as much good from Ridder as I initially thought.

Rookie in his first start, though; that’s to be expected, but there were a few times he was hesitant to pull the trigger, a few times he locked onto a guy too long, and a few where he made the right decision but didn’t deliver the correct throw.

Too early to make anything out of it one way or the other but it is what it as: not that impressive.

[PriMeTiiMe]

1 minute ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

I just went and looked through the All-22.

It was a mixed bag. The playbook Is clearly pared down, and there were some odd play designs here and there, but there wasn’t as much good from Ridder as I initially thought.

Rookie in his first thought, that’s to be expected, but there were a few times he was hesitant to pull the trigger, a few times he locked onto a guy too long, and a few where he made the right decision but didn’t deliver the correct throw.

Too early to make anything out of it one way or the other but it is what it as: not that impressive.

Outside of the bad throws that should have been picked the one that stands out the most to me is before half. He had Oz open if he delivers it as soon as he is getting out of his break but he hesitates and by the time its delivered theirs not enough space between the sideline + the DB is draped all over Oz by that point. Costed us 3 points before the half.

[PeytonMannings Forehead]

21 minutes ago, PriMeTiiMe said:

Outside of the bad throws that should have been picked the one that stands out the most to me is before half. He had Oz open if he delivers it as soon as he is getting out of his break but he hesitates and by the time its delivered theirs not enough space between the sideline + the DB is draped all over Oz by that point. Costed us 3 points before the half.

Is this the play you’re talking about? Because this is the play that woulda had me pulling my hair out if I was Smith.

Straight Smash concept. They run this at every level of football. Read the outside corner. He drifts to the 7 route to the sideline, throw the curl. Corner sits on the curl, throw the 7 route behind him.

Perfect call against that coverage. And he actually made the right read. Gotta let it go.

[PriMeTiiMe]

3 minutes ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

Is this the play you’re talking about? Because this is the play that woulda had me pulling my hair out if I was Smith.

Straight Smash concept. They run this at every level of football. Read the outside corner. He drifts to the 7 route to the sideline, throw the curl. Corner sits on the curl, throw the 7 route behind him.

Perfect call against that coverage. And he actually made the right read. Gotta let it go.

Yep exactly that one. Had me furious live because you could tell it was the perfect call and Ridder just did not trust his eyes and delayed the throw. That split second hitch before he actually threw it costed us the completion and points before halftime.

[Drunken Minotaur Zebra]

On 12/21/2022 at 8:12 AM, Vandy said:

He was pretty bad, as bad if not worse than Mariotta had been in his worst games. He/we were fortunate he didn’t throw a couple picks if not for Aints butterfingers.

I‘m not down on him, he’s a rookie QB on a bad roster. And as we know it was his first career start/appearance and in a hostile environment, so it’s reasonable to have expected a rough 1st game and hope for steady improvement from here. 
 

The biggest positive for me is how coolly he threw that dart to Drake that was unfortunately fumbled. Gotta see more, but a good indication he perhaps has that same ‘it’ of a winner that he showed in college. 
 

 

I'm glad other people see that. 

 

That one throw was all I needed to know about Ridder. Not to mention if London doesn't fumble, its a likely TD drive that has everyone pouring praise on Ridder. 

 

London must be kicking himself for that one. 

[Xfactor]

On 12/21/2022 at 8:12 AM, Vandy said:

He was pretty bad, as bad if not worse than Mariotta had been in his worst games. He/we were fortunate he didn’t throw a couple picks if not for Aints butterfingers.

I‘m not down on him, he’s a rookie QB on a bad roster. And as we know it was his first career start/appearance and in a hostile environment, so it’s reasonable to have expected a rough 1st game and hope for steady improvement from here. 
 

The biggest positive for me is how coolly he threw that dart to Drake that was unfortunately fumbled. Gotta see more, but a good indication he perhaps has that same ‘it’ of a winner that he showed in college. 
 

 

My thoughts exactly Ridder now goes on the road to Baltimore bad weather and a good run defense if he has to throw the ball he may have another bad game. If he's our guy he is going to take an off season with Pitts, London and an infusion of talent and another year to see what we truly have in him. Unless he throws a butt pass then he's outta here 🤣 Seriously look at Lawrence 3rd year in the league finally with a decent coach and talent and he finally resembles an NFL QB.

[PokerSteve]

On 12/21/2022 at 8:23 AM, ROMERO said:

Well said, I think any QB would struggle in the same situation. People are quick to look at only the qb and the stats. They dont understand when other things are not working via the wr/oline it hurts the qb too. 

Exactly. First of all, our whole sideline was spaced out after seeing Pees get carried off in a neck brace. I'm sure most everybody was more worried about Pees than the game at the beginning.

Not many rookie QB's have won their first game at the Swamper Dome, and I doubt many vet QB's have won there when they started off down 2 TD's before their offense could even make a 1st down.

Ridd had got himself together and had a winning drive going. No reason to think he won't be much better no matter where he plays a road game the rest of his career.

[ItsJustMe]

I thought this was one of those threads. It says Ridder throws: 

Incomplete

Into coverage 

Are high and wide 

A tantrum before Marcus tantrum...

 

[Mr.11]

On 12/21/2022 at 9:34 AM, JDaveG said:

It just occurred to me -- I didn't notice any wild snaps from Dalman this game.  Is it possible he and Mariota weren't on the same page with the cadence?

He should have snapped the ball when Ridder managed to draw a defender offside for a free play. Other than that, Dalman and Ridder seemed to have no issues with snap count and cadence, especially considering Ridder switched it up a lot in a loud environment.

As for Ridder's performance, yeah it sucked, but I think a lot of it, rather most of it, can be chalked up to inexperience. I saw a review on YT that showed some of the All-22 footage, and Ridder did make good reads for the most part and there was separation by the receivers (not named London). Ridder was just late on several of them which made it look like they weren't open. Some other ones, like the red zone throw that could have been a pick 6, I think was Ridder underestimating the speed and skills of NFL defenders.

I'd say getting the Saints in his first NFL start on the road was really good experience for Ridder. I would assume that he learned quickly from that game that the NFL is very different from college. Things he got away with in college he won't in the NFL, and windows close very quickly in the NFL so he's got to trust his reads and let it rip (even before a receiver makes his break and/or comes open).

He started to hit his stride late in the game until the London fumble. We'll see if that carries over to this weekend. In preseason he was much sharper going from game 1 to game 2 and AS started opening up the playbook more.