Ridders throws

[Tribal Chief]

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[Snafu]

Watched most of em. Ridder wasnt perfect, but he didnt get any help from O-Line or WR's either.

 

Watching some of the scramble drill plays, it's funny to see a receiver watch him scramble out of the pocket, then proceed to run themselves INTO coverage (as if they are looking to block) instead of breaking off and becoming an outlet.

 

Going up against that Aints defense, known for being able to get after the QB, is a tough ask for a 1st game starter

[Tribal Chief]

3 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Watched most of em. Ridder wasnt perfect, but he didnt get any help from O-Line or WR's either.

 

Watching some of the scramble drill plays, it's funny to see a receiver watch him scramble out of the pocket, then proceed to run themselves INTO coverage (as if they are looking to block) instead of breaking off and becoming an outlet.

 

Going up against that Aints defense, known for being able to get after the QB, is a tough ask for a 1st game starter

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[Nino11]

Not too far away from what I initially thought. He wasn’t amazing but he wasn’t terrible either. Missed some throws but made some too. Definitely interested to see more as he gets more comfortable 

[MarkMc44]

4 hours ago, Snafu said:

Watched most of em. Ridder wasnt perfect, but he didnt get any help from O-Line or WR's either.

 

Watching some of the scramble drill plays, it's funny to see a receiver watch him scramble out of the pocket, then proceed to run themselves INTO coverage (as if they are looking to block) instead of breaking off and becoming an outlet.

 

Going up against that Aints defense, known for being able to get after the QB, is a tough ask for a 1st game starter

Excellent point! The receivers had been conditioned to do so with Mariota.

GO FALCONS!!!!

[Vandy]

5 hours ago, Nino11 said:

Not too far away from what I initially thought. He wasn’t amazing but he wasn’t terrible either. Missed some throws but made some too. Definitely interested to see more as he gets more comfortable 

He was pretty bad, as bad if not worse than Mariotta had been in his worst games. He/we were fortunate he didn’t throw a couple picks if not for Aints butterfingers.

I‘m not down on him, he’s a rookie QB on a bad roster. And as we know it was his first career start/appearance and in a hostile environment, so it’s reasonable to have expected a rough 1st game and hope for steady improvement from here. 
 

The biggest positive for me is how coolly he threw that dart to Drake that was unfortunately fumbled. Gotta see more, but a good indication he perhaps has that same ‘it’ of a winner that he showed in college. 
 

 

[DonDaLuvMaker]

3 minutes ago, Vandy said:

He was pretty bad, as bad if not worse than Mariotta has been. He very easily could have had a couple picks if not for Aints butterfingers.

I‘m not down on him, he’s a rookie QB on a bad team. And as we know it was his first career start/appearance and in a hostile environment, so it’s reasonable to expect a rough 1st game and hope for steady improvement from here. 
 

The biggest positive to me is how coolly he threw that dart to Drake that was unfortunately fumbled. Gotta see more, but a good indication he perhaps has that ‘it’ of a winner. 
 

 

 

Yeah, Ridder started settling in on some throws that drive up until London fumbled.

Would've liked to have known if Ridder would've drove the offense down to a game winning td or tie.

[BigDawgMania]

5 hours ago, Snafu said:

Watched most of em. Ridder wasnt perfect, but he didnt get any help from O-Line or WR's either.

 

Watching some of the scramble drill plays, it's funny to see a receiver watch him scramble out of the pocket, then proceed to run themselves INTO coverage (as if they are looking to block) instead of breaking off and becoming an outlet.

 

Going up against that Aints defense, known for being able to get after the QB, is a tough ask for a 1st game starter

Well said, I think any QB would struggle in the same situation. People are quick to look at only the qb and the stats. They dont understand when other things are not working via the wr/oline it hurts the qb too. 

[dapanch420]

Smith has to do a better job of scheming these guys open, hopefully next season we bring in some good players to help improve the passing offense.

[RetroRoq]

20 minutes ago, Vandy said:

He was pretty bad, as bad if not worse than Mariotta had been in his worst games. He/we were fortunate he didn’t throw a couple picks if not for Aints butterfingers.

I‘m not down on him, he’s a rookie QB on a bad roster. And as we know it was his first career start/appearance and in a hostile environment, so it’s reasonable to have expected a rough 1st game and hope for steady improvement from here. 
 

The biggest positive to me is how coolly he threw that dart to Drake that was unfortunately fumbled. Gotta see more, but a good indication he perhaps has that same ‘it’ of a winner that he showed in college. 
 

 

[Tribal Chief]

15 minutes ago, ROMERO said:

Well said, I think any QB would struggle in the same situation. People are quick to look at only the qb and the stats. They dont understand when other things are not working via the wr/oline it hurts the qb too. 

Get's overlooked by even the ones who consider themselves the smartest in the room as well. I heard a conversation here at work yesterday. I couldn't do anything but laugh

[k-train]

35 minutes ago, ROMERO said:

Well said, I think any QB would struggle in the same situation. People are quick to look at only the qb and the stats. They dont understand when other things are not working via the wr/oline it hurts the qb too. 

Totally. Remember 2015?

A ton of folks that year were quick to criticize Matt Ryan because plays were being missed constantly, especially in the red zone. Mike Person was playing center that year even though he had never done that before in his life.

With so much of that West Coast passing game based on timing routes, the inconsistencies from the wild snaps was forcing Matt Ryan to make on the fly adjustments nearly every play just to control the ball. That meant that there was literally like an extra second added to every pass play.

Not only did that extra second completely throw off the timing of the routes, it allowed more time for opposing defenders to pressure or sack Ryan.

Soooooo many people blamed Ryan for the struggles that season... yet the following year with an actual center, he puts up MVP numbers & takes the team to a Super Bowl.

Individual efforts definitely can have a huge impact, but it's still a team sport where the skill level of those around you can be the difference in success or failure, no matter how great your individual talent.

[Williamb]

1 hour ago, DonDaLuvMaker said:

 

Yeah, Ridder started settling in on some throws that drive up until London fumbled.

Would've liked to have known if Ridder would've drove the offense down to a game winning td or tie.

Ball was fumbled on the 37yd line, field goal position

[gazoo]

6 hours ago, Snafu said:

Watching some of the scramble drill plays, it's funny to see a receiver watch him scramble out of the pocket, then proceed to run themselves INTO coverage (as if they are looking to block) instead of breaking off and becoming an outlet.

Excellent observation. Yeah, that is what they were doing. They been used to , if within 5 or 6 seconds the ball hasn’t been thrown to the #1 read, find the closest defender next to you and block him.

The receivers need more reps with a QB who can throw the football. On the one clip, the TE was surprised the ball was coming to him as a 3rd read. These receivers are not used to this at all.

Timing of routes, going through progressions, adjustments based on coverages, finding soft spots in zones, these are smoothed out by reps, lots of reps, reps they haven’t had an opportunity to go through yet.

[gazoo]

4 minutes ago, Williamb said:

Ball was fumbled on the 37yd line, field goal position

So on 4th and 5 Ridder made the money play by placing a perfectly thrown well executed dart into tight coverage for the game tying score minimum, likely given how well we were moving the ball a game winning TD.

Ridder actually DID make the money play in crunch time.

[Killing Floor]

No panic. First snaps and you could see his progress and poise sharpen as the game played out. 
 

Previously a few posters suggested this day would eventually come and there would be rookie mistakes. That’s to be expected. 
 

That’s why Shanny played Brock Purdy for a drive on October 23.  The game was effectively over and there was no risk. He made his rookie mistakes (interception) when it couldn’t affect the outcome. Smart coaching. 
 

Week 6, 7, and 10 didn't come down to the final minutes for the Falcons. Knowing that we had an untested rookie backup quarterback it would have been responsible and smart football coaching to let him feel the speed for a few snaps or a final drive with no consequence. 
 

Y’all can flame Ridder if he plays poorly every game or you can see the growth and accept that growth should have happened in the ends of blowout games when it would not have impacted our record. 
Ridder learned a lot from Sunday at Aints. He will rise from it. 

[JDaveG]

25 minutes ago, k-train said:

Totally. Remember 2015?

A ton of folks that year were quick to criticize Matt Ryan because plays were being missed constantly, especially in the red zone. Mike Person was playing center that year even though he had never done that before in his life.

With so much of that West Coast passing game based on timing routes, the inconsistencies from the wild snaps was forcing Matt Ryan to make on the fly adjustments nearly every play just to control the ball. That meant that there was literally like an extra second added to every pass play.

Not only did that extra second completely throw off the timing of the routes, it allowed more time for opposing defenders to pressure or sack Ryan.

Soooooo many people blamed Ryan for the struggles that season... yet the following year with an actual center, he puts up MVP numbers & takes the team to a Super Bowl.

Individual efforts definitely can have a huge impact, but it's still a team sport where the skill level of those around you can be the difference in success or failure, no matter how great your individual talent.

It just occurred to me -- I didn't notice any wild snaps from Dalman this game.  Is it possible he and Mariota weren't on the same page with the cadence?

[gazoo]

10 minutes ago, Killing Floor said:

No panic. First snaps and you could see his progress and poise sharpen as the game played out. 
 

Previously a few posters suggested this day would eventually come and there would be rookie mistakes. That’s to be expected. 
 

That’s why Shanny played Brock Purdy for a drive on October 23.  The game was effectively over and there was no risk. He made his rookie mistakes (interception) when it couldn’t affect the outcome. Smart coaching. 
 

Week 6, 7, and 10 didn't come down to the final minutes for the Falcons. Knowing that we had an untested rookie backup quarterback it would have been responsible and smart football coaching to let him feel the speed for a few snaps or a final drive with no consequence. 
 

Y’all can flame Ridder if he plays poorly every game or you can see the growth and accept that growth should have happened in the ends of blowout games when it would not have impacted our record. 
Ridder learned a lot from Sunday at Aints. He will rise from it. 

Another issue is Falcons defenses spotted NO 14 points before Ridder even played 4 snaps.  And first drive Ridders receiver dropped a well thrown pass on a scramble that would have been a first down and instead was a 3 and out.

So many don’t understand what spotting the other team 14 points does to your game plan and how much pressure it puts on a rookie QB making his very first start. 
 

All that said, Ridder still put us at the 37 yard line of NO with 2 minutes left in game with a fresh set of downs, down only 3 points, by throwing a well executed dart over the middle to London on 4th down and 5. It was a good read, an excellent pass and great execution all the way around, until Drake fumbled it. We had been running the ball down their throats the last 3 drives and Ridder was on fire that last drive making it likely we were going to score a TD for the winning score. At minimum Koo would have had a chip shot for a tie.

[Tribal Chief]

14 minutes ago, gazoo said:

Another issue is Falcons defenses spotted NO 14 points before Ridder even played 4 snaps.  And first drive Ridders receiver dropped a well thrown pass on a scramble that would have been a first down and instead was a 3 and out.

So many don’t understand what spotting the other team 14 points does to your game plan and how much pressure it puts on a rookie QB making his very first start. 
 

All that said, Ridder still put us at the 37 yard line of NO with 2 minutes left in game with a fresh set of downs, down only 3 points, by throwing a well executed dart over the middle to London on 4th down and 5. It was a good read, an excellent pass and great execution all the way around, until Drake fumbled it. We had been running the ball down their throats the last 3 drives and Ridder was on fire that last drive making it likely we were going to score a TD for the winning score. At minimum Koo would have had a chip shot for a tie.

This is the biggest and only thing I cared about going into the game, discussed this with a few other people. Can he make the throw that matters when it counts and he did. All the extra that has been spewed without providing every aspect of play is irrelevant in my eyes. 

[k-train]

20 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

It just occurred to me -- I didn't notice any wild snaps from Dalman this game.  Is it possible he and Mariota weren't on the same page with the cadence?

I definitely noticed that, too. Not sure what it was, but things certainly seemed off with the exchange between him & Mariota. I never noticed it with Dalman at Stanford, and I didn't notice any of that on Sunday... so maybe (hopefully) it was more a Mariota issue than a Dalman issue & we've pretty much seen the last of that.

[JDaveG]

1 minute ago, k-train said:

I definitely noticed that, too. Not sure what it was, but things certainly seemed off with the exchange between him & Mariota. I never noticed it with Dalman at Stanford, and I didn't notice any of that on Sunday... so maybe (hopefully) it was more a Mariota issue than a Dalman issue & we've pretty much seen the last of that.

There were enough shotgun snaps you'd think it would have showed up and it didn't. 

My biggest fear is Dalman just had an exceptional game and will revert to the mean, but I think you're right about his history, so hopefully this is fixed now.

[The Don™]

Thanks for this.

My observations from it. 

Need more receiver talent and we miss Pitts. Outside of London, this WR group is bad. Even London needs some fine tuning with his routes.

Ridder hesitated for a second a lot and that's all it takes in the NFL for a window to close. There were open guys he missed because he hesitated. For example, on that cover two coverage, it was a perfect playcall. AS said yesterday he's gotta trust his arm and himself more in general. I see what AS was saying after watching this. 

Didn't go through progressions quick enough. That was his knock coming out. He had guys open if he saw them. 

Some communication issues with the receivers which is expected. That comes with time.

With more WR talent and Des progressing, I'd like to see the passing offense open up more too and scheme guys open more. I still think AS can do a better job with those things. 

[oztin]

1 minute ago, k-train said:

I definitely noticed that, too. Not sure what it was, but things certainly seemed off with the exchange between him & Mariota. I never noticed it with Dalman at Stanford, and I didn't notice any of that on Sunday... so maybe (hopefully) it was more a Mariota issue than a Dalman issue & we've pretty much seen the last of that.

I wonder if DR said something to Dalman. He does not have a problem having offensive player redoing something if he feels it wasn't done right(ie throw to Franks in warmups for a game he wasn't going to play in). During practice he might have been telling Dalman to get the ball higher.

[NOVAFalconFan]

HE LIVES IN ATLANTA!

[Lornoth]

Mostly bad with enough good to give me hope for the future. Hope he puts the work in this offseason.