A Little Perspective

[MarkMc44]

Two other 3rd round QB’s, Joe Montana and Russell Wilson, didn’t have successful starts either. Montana threw for 35 yards before being pulled and Wilson Had a passer rating of 36 in a loss! Matter of fact, Joe Montana didn’t get a win until his fifth start. Let’s give the young man a chance!

GO FALCONS!!!!

[Tribal Chief]

There are first round quarterbacks who don't have the greatest starts to their careers either. Good thing those guys got a chance to prove themselves

[The Don™]

I'm not worried about Ridder. It's his first start. He showed some good things.

I'm more worried about building the defense, getting another weapon or two for Ridder to take some pressure off of London, AS learning to create better mismatches and scheming the pass game better. If we can't do those things better, even Patrick Mahomes would struggle here. 

[A Dog Named Brian]

Draft position doesn’t matter y’all. The sooner you learn that the more you can enjoy the team building process

Edited December 19, 2022 by A Dog Named Brian

[Geneaut]

I ain't worried.

[BigDawgMania]

19 minutes ago, Tribal Chief said:

There are first round quarterbacks who don't have the greatest starts to their careers either. Good thing those guys got a chance to prove themselves

Exactly! 

[dirtybirds233]

6 minutes ago, A Dog Named Brian said:

Draft position doesn’t matter y’all. The sooner you learn that the more you can enjoy the team building process

This. Our most productive player from this past draft was a 5th round pick and AK47, who was a 2nd rounder, has nearly identical stats to the #1 overall pick Travon Walker while playing about half the amount of snaps. 

That's just a recent example of course. Shoot, the best player on our defense was a 5th rounder in Grady. 

 

[FalconsFanSince194eva]

Unless RIdder turns into Josh Allen or Patty Mahomes this board will always look for the next thing. I won't start complaining about Ridder until week 10 next year if there is no improvements. 

[PokerSteve]

16 minutes ago, The Don™ said:

I'm not worried about Ridder. It's his first start. He showed some good things.

I'm more worried about building the defense, getting another weapon or two for Ridder to take some pressure off of London, AS learning to create better mismatches and scheming the pass game better. If we can't do those things better, even Patrick Mahomes would struggle here. 

Well said. Not going to highlight anything because I'd have to highlight everything and there would be too much black to read well. lol. But yeah, AS got Ridder off to a rocky start with his play-calling. That long pass play to start the game was lame. Ridd was fine once he got a couple of quarters of play under his belt. It could have been better, but he survived it, kept his composure and finished strong.

This defense is a paradox. It's not giving up many points, but it's constantly bleeding yards and chunk plays. It still struggles mightily to get off the field on 3rd down, which is one of the prime goals and prerequisites for a quality defense. AS still has homework to do in play-calling and game-planning to bring the pass game up to at least minimum standards to balance out this offense. He ain't got it figure out yet.

[A Dog Named Brian]

14 minutes ago, dirtybirds233 said:

This. Our most productive player from this past draft was a 5th round pick and AK47, who was a 2nd rounder, has nearly identical stats to the #1 overall pick Travon Walker while playing about half the amount of snaps. 

That's just a recent example of course. Shoot, the best player on our defense was a 5th rounder in Grady. 

 

I know I’m preaching to the choir but the draft is HIGHLY subjective, teams by and large do not rank all these guys the same. This is also why the, “experts” are often wrong 

[NorthGaBoy]

1 hour ago, MarkMc44 said:

Two other 3rd round QB’s, Joe Montana and Russell Wilson, didn’t have successful starts either. Montana threw for 35 yards before being pulled and Wilson Had a passer rating of 36 in a loss! Matter of fact, Joe Montana didn’t get a win until his fifth start. Let’s give the young man a chance!

GO FALCONS!!!!

I saw the thread title and knew this was going to be a sound, rational, analytical post.  We don't need no sound, rational, analytical post around here.  Now, come back with some emotion, expressiveness, with dramatic statements of dire and doom if you want to fit in.  Try calling for the cutting of players and firing of staff.  Those are always favorites.  Oh yeah, throw in a comment about who we need to draft to replace Ridder.

These tactics will have you at high popularity status in no time.  You are welcome

[tbhawksfan]

1 hour ago, A Dog Named Brian said:

Draft position doesn’t matter y’all. The sooner you learn that the more you can enjoy the team building process

Enjoying the team building process aside, it's absurd to say that draft position doesn't matter. Despite the misses and busts, the top of the draft yields more of the top players

[Norwood all the way!]

1 hour ago, The Don™ said:

I'm not worried about Ridder. It's his first start. He showed some good things.

I'm more worried about building the defense, getting another weapon or two for Ridder to take some pressure off of London, AS learning to create better mismatches and scheming the pass game better. If we can't do those things better, even Patrick Mahomes would struggle here. 

I had to quote, bold, italicize and underline to further emphasize all of this 

Edited December 19, 2022 by Norwood all the way!

[Falcon You]

I didn't see anything in Ridder yesterday that would show he would be a good QB in the pros.  He did pretty much everything badly.  He should have had 3 INTs yesterday and was off target almost on every throw.  Not to mention how off he was on those deep throws.  I do give a lot of blame on AS for calling a horrible 1st half.  All those cute plays were dumb and not in the best interest of Ridder.  With that said, I never really thought Ridder was going to be that good anyways.  He didn't look good against Georgia a couple of years back.  Don't expect him to throw for 500 yards, but he was completely out matched in college and I had a feeling he wouldn't be any good in the pros.  He still has time, but if AS keeps calling plays like he did yesterday Ridder is sunk.  

[tbhawksfan]

55 minutes ago, A Dog Named Brian said:

I know I’m preaching to the choir but the draft is HIGHLY subjective, teams by and large do not rank all these guys the same. This is also why the, “experts” are often wrong 

Most of the published mocks are spot on on the top 10, very accurate for the top 20 and mostly correct for the first round. The first round mocks reflect at least a 90 percentile accuracy...I know that you're trying to make a point but stats say you're way off

[tbhawksfan]

1 minute ago, Falcon You said:

he was completely out matched in college and I had a feeling he wouldn't be any good in the pros

You might want to take a look at his record in college. Your feeling about his success in the pros is about 2 years pre-mature.

Posting this negetive post about a rookie QB after his first start is absurd and clearly indicates a bias

[Falcon You]

Just now, tbhawksfan said:

You might want to take a look at his record in college. Your feeling about his success in the pros is about 2 years pre-mature.

Posting this negetive post about a rookie QB after his first start is absurd and clearly indicates a bias

Have you seen the schedule of Cincinnati?  They don't play anyone worth talking about.  Same goes for teams like TCU and OSU.  Those teams win a bunch of games each year and never go anywhere.  You don't look at someone's record at a school like Cincinnati and think he played against top tier teams and will surely be ahead of other players.  That is why year and year out teams from the SEC win against other conferences in college.  SEC teams play better teams and steel sharpens steel.

[MarkMc44]

21 minutes ago, NorthGaBoy said:

I saw the thread title and knew this was going to be a sound, rational, analytical post.  We don't need no sound, rational, analytical post around here.  Now, come back with some emotion, expressiveness, with dramatic statements of dire and doom if you want to fit in.  Try calling for the cutting of players and firing of staff.  Those are always favorites.  Oh yeah, throw in a comment about who we need to draft to replace Ridder.

These tactics will have you at high popularity status in no time.  You are welcome

So very true! I don’t post a whole lot, but I do try and make my contributions meaningful. It’s crazy the stuff that gets the most action! 

GO FALCONS!!!!

[tbhawksfan]

4 minutes ago, Falcon You said:

steel sharpens steel

Never heard that one before. You come up with that yourself?

[DonDaLuvMaker]

1 hour ago, A Dog Named Brian said:

Draft position doesn’t matter y’all. The sooner you learn that the more you can enjoy the team building process

 

Exactly!

 

Players are overvalued and undervalued each and every year in the draft.

 

People get caught up in media draft hype and forget one thing........ the human element to potentially get better and improve.

[Falcon You]

Just now, tbhawksfan said:

Never heard that one before. You come up with that yourself?

Is that your intellectual response to what I said?  You argued back at me that he had a great college record and that I was 2 years too early in my opinion.  I didn't know I couldn't have an opinion of a player on the Falcons on the Falcons message board.  I have been waiting to see if Ridder would show something when given a chance, but he did nothing to show he has anything to show.  I hope he proves my Opinion wrong, but him having a good college record is a worthless stat when it was against teams like Temple, Navy and South Florida.  Come on dude!  If you are going to be a smart ***, atleast back it up with some facts to make this more of an argument and not a childish response to someone online.

[tbhawksfan]

4 minutes ago, Falcon You said:

Is that your intellectual response to what I said?  You argued back at me that he had a great college record and that I was 2 years too early in my opinion.  I didn't know I couldn't have an opinion of a player on the Falcons on the Falcons message board.  I have been waiting to see if Ridder would show something when given a chance, but he did nothing to show he has anything to show.  I hope he proves my Opinion wrong, but him having a good college record is a worthless stat when it was against teams like Temple, Navy and South Florida.  Come on dude!  If you are going to be a smart ***, atleast back it up with some facts to make this more of an argument and not a childish response to someone online.

Naw. I got nothing and you got a thumbs up from Tribal Chief. He's big around here. you da man

[gazoo]

4 hours ago, A Dog Named Brian said:

Draft position doesn’t matter y’all. The sooner you learn that the more you can enjoy the team building process

I know, right? These people focusing on draft position appear to have nothing else to offer. It’s irrelevant, at this point, if he was the last pick in the draft.
 

Oh, but wait, the last pick in the 2022 draft, a QB who was passed over 261 times, just dealt the GOAT QB Tom Brady his 3rd worse loss ever and could be a starting QB in the Super Bowl.  But wait, if he was last player picked he couldn’t have done that according to the draft position coven.

[DonDaLuvMaker]

31 minutes ago, Falcon You said:

Have you seen the schedule of Cincinnati?  They don't play anyone worth talking about.  Same goes for teams like TCU and OSU.  Those teams win a bunch of games each year and never go anywhere.  You don't look at someone's record at a school like Cincinnati and think he played against top tier teams and will surely be ahead of other players.  That is why year and year out teams from the SEC win against other conferences in college.  SEC teams play better teams and steel sharpens steel.

 

To be honest, who did Josh Allen play at Wyoming? He became a top 1st round pick because of him impressing at the combine.

 

I get what you're saying, but that's not always the case though. Even Brock Purdy is doing well in the NFL based on the situation he's landed in. Same for Tom Brady early in his career. Brady wasn't Brady early on, he was in a great situation and developed into what he became.

 

Time and situation is everything in the NFL.

Edited December 19, 2022 by DonDaLuvMaker

[Falcon You]

10 minutes ago, DonDaLuvMaker said:

 

To be honest, who did Josh Allen play at Wyoming? He became a top 1st round pick because of him impressing at the combine.

 

I get what you're saying, but that's not always the case though. Even Brock Purdy is doing well in the NFL based on the situation he's landed in. Same for Tom Brady early in his career. Brady wasn't Brady early on, he was in a great situational developed into what he became.

 

Time and situation is everything in the NFL.

I hear you and agree.  My point was that his college record doesn't get me excited as the other poster had mentioned.  I was never excited about Ridder and expressed my opinion of his performance yesterday.  There are a lot of optimistic people on this board and I envy that way of thinking, but I try and be realistic with the way I think.  Just because he is a Falcon, does not mean he will be the next Josh Allen.  I hope he does, but very low chance that will happen.  And to be honest bud, how many smart moves have the Falcons made in the previous years for me to think they would have made a good one on a 3rd pick out of Cincinnati.  I mentioned once before a long time ago on here that the Falcons are the hardest team to root for and I stand by that, but I am there every Sunday taking my blows week in and week out.  Maybe I do have a little optimism in me.  Haha!

Edited December 19, 2022 by Falcon You