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1 minute ago, youngbloodz said:

More injury prone? No. I’ve never had an issue signing a player in baseball long as medicals check out. Sport like football is different because it’s a violent sport. 

I just trust Verlander to make it through a season and provide max value for his salary before I do deGrom. I could be wrong. Neither is probably happening though. 

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5 minutes ago, NashvilleFalcon01 said:

Who takes his place then? Does Trea Turner play good enough defense for AA? Do you pay more for Carlos Correa? I don’t know what the solution is if it isn’t Dansby. 

You guys can have Turner or Correa. I’ll take Bogaerts if Dansby isn’t resigned. 

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1 hour ago, NashvilleFalcon01 said:

Who takes his place then? Does Trea Turner play good enough defense for AA? Do you pay more for Carlos Correa? I don’t know what the solution is if it isn’t Dansby. 

Turner's defense was among the best before the Dodgers had him play farther back. Once he moved he was much better.

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2 minutes ago, Unknøwn said:

Jose Abreu would be an interesting DH target if AA decides to look for one. He's 36 so it would be a short deal, we know AA loves short deals for veterans. His power dipped this year but he still hit .304 with an .824 OPS. Just a good hitter to put in the middle. 

That could be a good option.

AA will have some good choices to choose from and he has shown that he will be aggressive in trying to fix issues.

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Some of our biggest concerns going into this offseason are:

1) Who is your 2023 starting SS? Dansby on a mega deal? If not him, you're getting another primo guy as Shewmake is probably not ready.

2) Who will be your DH? We had one of the worst production from a DH in MLB.

3) Who is your starting LF in 2023? Grissom? - Can he prove to play there competently? If not him, is he ready for a big role in 2023 or do you keep him down in the minors for a true upgrade?

Rosario? Had terrible production that can't all be blamed on the eyes. Was a 2021 postseason hero, but is probably better suited as a backup. Plus, plays less than stellar defense.

4) What do you do with Ozuna? He's a textbook DH guy who suffered his worst season yet. He's older and had well-publicized legal issues that may still get him kicked off the team. If you can't get rid of him, he's a DH only - and he can't be depended on there it seems. 

5) Who is your 5th starter? You already have Fried/Wright/Strider as your Big Three. Morton was brought back (ugh!), so he's #4. So you have Soroka/Ian Anderson/Elder/Mueller battling it out. Will be interesting. Would have preferred us going a different direction than Morton, especially for $20M again, but whatevs.

6) Who fills out the bullpen? Yates comes back and probably Luke Jackson if we want him. Do you bring back Chavez? You got some strong, dependable guys back there (Iglesias, Minter), but could use maybe one more guy.

7) What role will Manny Pina, the catcher who is under contract for 2023, have? d'Arnaud and William Contreras are an amazing duo - perhaps the best in MLB.

😎 What of the bench? The Adrianzas and Heredias aren't gonna cut it. Moving guys like Rosario permanently there will help, but we could use some useful guys.

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40 minutes ago, ATL Fan in the DMV said:

Our biggest concerns going into this offseason are:

1) Who is your 2023 starting SS? Dansby on a mega deal? If not him, you're getting another primo guy as Shewmake is probably not ready.

2) Who will be your DH? We had one of the worst production from a DH in MLB.

3) Who is your starting LF in 2023? Grissom? - Can he prove to play there competently? If not him, is he ready for a big role in 2023 or do you keep him down in the minors for a true upgrade?

Rosario? Had terrible production that can't all be blamed on the eye. Was a 2021 postseason hero, but is probably better suited as a backup. Plus, plays less than stellar defense.

4) What do you do with Ozuna? He's a textbook DH guy who suffered his worst season yet. He's older and had well-publicized legal issues that may still get him kicked off the team. If you can't get rid of him, he's a DH only - and he can't be depended on there anymore it seems. 

5) Who is your 5th starter? You already have Fried/Wright/Strider as your Big Three. Morton was brought back (ugh!), so he's #4. So you have Soroka/Ian Anderson/Elder/Mueller battling it out. Will be interesting. Would have preferred us going a different direction than Morton, especially for $20M again, but whatevs.

6) Who fills out the bullpen? Yates comes back and probably Luke Jackson if we want him. Do you bring back Chavez? You got some strong, dependable guys back there (Iglesias, Minter), but could use maybe one more guy.

7) What role will Manny Pina, the catcher who is under contract for 2023, have? d'Arnaud and William Contreras are an amazing duo - perhaps the best in MLB.

😎 What of the bench? The Adrianzas and Heredias aren't gonna cut it. Moving guys like Rosario permanently there will help, but we could use some useful guys.

1) The question some analysts will be asking is: Was 2022 the "real" Dansby Swanson or an outlier season? AA might be asking that question after getting burned by Ozuna's outlier season.

2) Contreras?

3) Why not make a run at Brandon Nimmo? And put Nimmo in the leadoff spot. Move Acuna to the 3rd spot behind Albies. I've never liked Acuna in the leadoff and having Acuna, Olson, and Riley together could be the power hitting spark the offense needs.

4) Ozuna definitely must go. Might have to eat a lot of salary or throw in a top prospect in a trade. 

5) Probably Elder or Mueller. Or maybe someone like William Woods if he has a great spring. Anderson might be trade bait at this point.

6) Yelp, pen will need some new arms.

7) d'Arnaud and Pina platoon, with Contreras at DH? Good problem to have I guess.

😎 Rosario to the bench. I think Grissom is viewed as a super-utilty guy right now, similar to Martin Prado early in his career. Not sure if they would attempt to bring back Duvall for the bench. Duvall is a good bat to have around.

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"Three offseason questions for the Atlanta Braves after NLDS upset

Three offseason questions for the Atlanta Braves after NLDS upset

Longtime Atlanta Braves fans know the unpredictable reality of October baseball. This Braves team was better than the 2021 team that won it all but simply didn't get hot at the right time, losing in disappointing fashion to the Philadelphia Phillies in the division series -- a team it finished 14 games ahead of in the regular season.

Still, it was a terrific season: rallying from 10½ games down on June 1 to catch the New York Mets in the final week for a fifth straight NL East title, the franchise's first 100-win season since 2003, and especially the emergence of rookie stars Michael Harris II and Spencer Strider and the breakout performance of 21-game winner Kyle Wright.

The Braves' foundation is stronger than ever. This team is going to be competing for a lot of World Series titles in upcoming seasons.


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Notable free agents: SS Dansby Swanson, RP Kenley Jansen, OF Adam Duvall, OF Robbie Grossman, SP Jake Odorizzi ($6.5 million player option)

Two big holes for the Braves to fill if Swanson and Jansen depart. Jansen led the National League with 41 saves, but the Braves acquired Raisel Iglesias at the trade deadline, and he's signed through 2025, so they almost certainly will hand the closer duties to Iglesias in 2023.

Trade candidates: Well, they would love to find a taker for Marcell Ozuna, but that's a nonstarter. Otherwise, they won't be looking to trade any of their core players -- there's no reason. The Braves do have plenty of starting pitching depth.

Extension candidates: They extended Austin Riley and Harris during the season and then Strider right before the division series started, so kudos to baseball operations president Alex Anthopoulos for getting those three deals completed. That ship might have sailed on Max Fried, who has two years left of team control, since there is no team discount to be obtained at this point. Wright, William Contreras and Vaughn Grissom would be the next candidates.

1. Who plays shortstop in 2023?

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The door on re-signing Swanson certainly isn't closed, but he had his best season at the right time with 25 home runs, a possible Gold Glove Award, and easily a career-high 5.7 WAR as he played all 162 games. He'll be entering his age-29 season, and given his durability, defense and improved power, he's probably looking at a $100 million deal from some team (although free agency will be saturated with shortstops with Carlos Correa and potentially Xander Bogaerts exercising their opt-out clauses).

 

Does Swanson fit into the budget? Owners Liberty Media run a pretty tight ship, and the Braves had a payroll around $206 million in 2022 -- well below the $230 million tax threshold (which jumps to $232 million for 2023). With all the extensions they've signed, the Braves already have $160 million in guaranteed deals on the books for 2023 -- perhaps a sign that they'll let Swanson walk and give the shortstop job to Grissom. He played well the final two months filling in for the injured Ozzie Albies at second base but was a shortstop in the minors. His range to stay at the position remains a question among scouts, so the Braves could also go with prospect Braden Shewmake, more of a sure thing on defense, and deploy Grissom as a super-utility player if they want to stay in-house.

 

2. What about left field?

 

For now, it's Eddie Rosario, who makes $9 million in 2023. He struggled early in 2022, underwent eye surgery and missed more than two months, and then hit .243/.281/.379 upon returning in July. Overall, Braves left fielders did hit 28 home runs and finished 18th in OPS, so it wasn't a complete train wreck out there (although the defense was also bad with a combined minus-15 defensive runs saved). One interesting option if Grissom isn't deemed the shortstop of the present: Try him out in left field. Otherwise, it's probably Rosario and a veteran platoon partner to start against left-handed pitching.

 

3. What will the Braves do with their starting pitching depth?

If Odorizzi picks up his option, it does make for a crowded group of starters:

 

• Fried is the ace.

 

• Wright returns as the No. 2.

 

• Strider is perhaps the best No. 3 starter in the majors.

 

Charlie Morton's ERA was a little high at 4.34, but he still fanned 205 batters and made 31 starts.

 

Ian Anderson's ERA climbed from 3.58 to 5.00, so he'll have to reestablish himself.

 

• Odorizzi wasn't great after coming over from the Astros (5.24 ERA in 10 starts), but he has been a solid back-end starter in his career.

 

Bryce Elder finished strong with a 1.65 ERA over five starts in August and September, although three of those came against the Marlins and two against the Nationals.

 

 

 

• 6-7 lefty Kyle Muller had a good showing at Triple-A with a 3.41 ERA and 159 strikeouts in 134 2/3 innings.

 

Mike Soroka is still here. He last pitched in 2020 before missing two years due to three surgeries to repair a ruptured Achilles. He returned to make six minor league rehab starts before going down in late September with elbow inflammation.

 

That's nine candidates, plus prospects Freddy Tarnok and Jared Shuster, who both reached Triple-A in 2022. Indeed, Odorizzi might look at this list and decide to move on; he should be able to get something similar from a team where he's guaranteed a rotation slot.

 

You can never have too much starting pitching, but the Braves could conceivably deal from depth here to improve upon left field or add a shortstop if they're not completely sold on Grissom's defense or Shewmake's offense. No matter what, given all the holes the Mets have in free agency, the Braves will enter 2023 as the clear favorite for a sixth straight NL East title."

 

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8 hours ago, falconsd56 said:

One of the best thing/frustrating thing about this FO is that  we probably I won't know what the braves do until bam....it happens 

So when FA does start,new can expect it to be quiet.....until it won't be.

Luckily AA tends to strike early. His biggest moves are almost always done early in FA. 

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Re: DeGrom

July 

92.9 The Game

I was listening to an interview with a New York reporter about The Mets and DeGrom.

He said, "The Mets are doing all they can to win this season because (DeGrom) may end-up with you guys in Atlanta"

Since hearing that interview that day, I feel that DeGrom could sign with The Braves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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AA may have to deal Grissom unexpectedly. The Braves value defensive range at SS, and they keep Albies at 2B.

Maybe, they receive Andruw Jones, Jr.   That is a long shot, but they will solidify interior defense, and LF.

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27 minutes ago, Rise said:

Re: DeGrom

July 

92.9 The Game

I was listening to an interview with a New York reporter about The Mets and DeGrom.

He said, "The Mets are doing all they can to win this season because (DeGrom) may end-up with you guys in Atlanta"

Since hearing that interview that day, I feel that DeGrom could sign with The Braves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It comes from his desire to be close to his home in Florida. He wants to take this opportunity to get out of the northeast and go south. The Rays could never afford him and Miami is a long way from contending with that lineup. So that leaves Atlanta and it's believed that deGrom's preferred destination is Atlanta, close to home and can win now. He would have to take significantly less money though. The belief among the insiders is that deGrom will probably be looking at 2 years with a 3rd year option due to his health concerns. It's believed the value of that 2 year deal is going to be $70-80M. 

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1 hour ago, Unknøwn said:

It comes from his desire to be close to his home in Florida. He wants to take this opportunity to get out of the northeast and go south. The Rays could never afford him and Miami is a long way from contending with that lineup. So that leaves Atlanta and it's believed that deGrom's preferred destination is Atlanta, close to home and can win now. He would have to take significantly less money though. The belief among the insiders is that deGrom will probably be looking at 2 years with a 3rd year option due to his health concerns. It's believed the value of that 2 year deal is going to be $70-80M. 

Sign me up for that deal for deGrom. Rumors are he is willing to take less money to play closer to home.

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44 minutes ago, Unknøwn said:

Lot depends on luxury tax. We're about $40M away before arbitration. DeGrom would take up everything left at $35-40M a year. 

I believe Degrom only happens if he takes a significant pay cut or AA gets the ok to go above the CBT. Also you have to figure Fried will get about $12-15 million in arbitration so that will leave $25 million under the CBT

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16 minutes ago, For the A said:

I believe Degrom only happens if he takes a significant pay cut or AA gets the ok to go above the CBT. Also you have to figure Fried will get about $12-15 million in arbitration so that will leave $25 million under the CBT

I wouldn't be surprised if we gave Fried an extension but either way he's going to get a pretty penny. You might could get him to share some wealth this year but you'd have to have to someone lined up to show him. 

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36 minutes ago, Unknøwn said:

I wouldn't be surprised if we gave Fried an extension but either way he's going to get a pretty penny. You might could get him to share some wealth this year but you'd have to have to someone lined up to show him. 

I could see an offer to where Fried’s extension is back loaded after 2-3 years. That would allow for more flexibility until Ozuna, Morton and others are off the books. 

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