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1. New England: Mac Jones (1st)
2. Miami: Tua Tagovailoa (1st)
3. Buffalo: Josh Allen (1st)
4. NY Jets: Zach Wilson (1st)

1. Pittsburgh: Mitch Trubisky (1st)
2. Cincinnati: Joe Burrow (1st)
3. Cleveland: Deshaun Watson (1st)
4. Baltimore: Lamar Jackson (1st)

1. LAC: Justin Hebert (1st)
2. Kansas City: Patrick Mahomes (1st)
3. Las Vegas: Derek Carr (2nd)
4. Denver: Russell Wilson (3rd)

1. Indianapolis: Matt Ryan (1st) 
2. Houston: (Davis Mills 3rd)
3. Jacksonville: Trevor Lawrence (1st)
4. Tennessee: Ryan Tannehill (1st)

1. Dallas: Dak Prescott (4th)
2. Washington:  Carson Wentz (1st)
3. NYG: David Jones (1st)
4. Philadelphia: Jalen Hurts (2nd)

1. New Orleans: Jameis Winston (1st)
2. Carolina: Baker Mayfield (1st)
3. Atlanta: Marcus Mariota (1st)
4. Tampa Bay: Tom Brady (6th)

1. Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers (1st)
2. Detroit: Jared Goff (1st)
3. Chicago: Justin Fields (1st)
4. Minnesota: Kirk Cousins (4th)

1. LAR: Matt Stafford (1st)
2. Seattle: Geno Smith (2nd)
3. San Fran: Jimmy Garoppolo (2nd)
4. Arizona: Kyler Murray (1st)

Bold are the qbs that stand out to me. Really good to Elite.

 

A lot of starting qbs are 1st rounders but the goods news is that there are several 2nd and 3rd round really good qbs starting right now. 

also a lot of those 1st rounders starting now are mediocre at best.

 

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8 minutes ago, mc said:

1. New England: Mac Jones (1st)
2. Miami: Tua Tagovailoa (1st)
3. Buffalo: Josh Allen (1st)
4. NY Jets: Zach Wilson (1st)

1. Pittsburgh: Mitch Trubisky (1st)
2. Cincinnati: Joe Burrow (1st)
3. Cleveland: Deshaun Watson (1st)
4. Baltimore: Lamar Jackson (1st)

1. LAC: Justin Hebert (1st)
2. Kansas City: Patrick Mahomes (1st)
3. Las Vegas: Derek Carr (2nd)
4. Denver: Russell Wilson (3rd)

1. Indianapolis: Matt Ryan (1st) 
2. Houston: (Davis Mills 3rd)
3. Jacksonville: Trevor Lawrence (1st)
4. Tennessee: Ryan Tannehill (1st)

1. Dallas: Dak Prescott (4th)
2. Washington:  Carson Wentz (1st)
3. NYG: David Jones (1st)
4. Philadelphia: Jalen Hurts (2nd)

1. New Orleans: Jameis Winston (1st)
2. Carolina: Baker Mayfield (1st)
3. Atlanta: Marcus Mariota (1st)
4. Tampa Bay: Tom Brady (6th)

1. Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers (1st)
2. Detroit: Jared Goff (1st)
3. Chicago: Justin Fields (1st)
4. Minnesota: Kirk Cousins (4th)

1. LAR: Matt Stafford (1st)
2. Seattle: Geno Smith (2nd)
3. San Fran: Jimmy Garoppolo (2nd)
4. Arizona: Kyler Murray (1st)

Bold are the qbs that stand out to me. Really good to Elite.

 

A lot of starting qbs are 1st rounders but the goods news is that there are several 2nd and 3rd round really good qbs starting right now. 

also a lot of those 1st rounders starting now are mediocre at best.

 

I get your point. I really really do but highlighting that he'd be the extreme outlier isn't the best way to do it.

 

The most comparable to him is a dude who left football for a few years, came back, and was drafted into an almost perfect situation, or the dude who came into the starting position behind a supremely dominant offensive line with a dominant running game.

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3 minutes ago, Moist Words said:

I get your point. I really really do but highlighting that he'd be the extreme outlier isn't the best way to do it.

 

The most comparable to him is a dude who left football for a few years, came back, and was drafted into an almost perfect situation, or the dude who came into the starting position behind a supremely dominant offensive line with a dominant running game.

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I like the sentiment,  but this is only relevant if you list the numbers of successful 2nd and 3rd round QBs in a list as comparison.

The reason expectations should be tempered is, it’s very rare that a non-1 QB becomes anything to write home about as an NFL player.

Elite QB prospects are elite for a reason, and they still don’t pan out regularly. Drop past r1, and it gets even rarer.

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17 minutes ago, Rings said:

It will just take longer for him to see the field to begin with I feel.  But I am excited to see what the guy has once he does get his chance.

And excited to see what he is, is all anybody should be. Trying to convince ourselves he’s got ‘it’ is just wishful thinking right now.

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Ridder will be great. They saw it in film and interviews pre-draft, and they saw it live in preseason.

Mariota gives Smith the best chance to win now. Listen to his presser, he is perfectly comfortable with Mariota's play as a whole.

We are not even CLOSE to Ridder-time...

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42 minutes ago, Falconcheff said:

Ridder will be great. They saw it in film and interviews pre-draft, and they saw it live in preseason.

Mariota gives Smith the best chance to win now. Listen to his presser, he is perfectly comfortable with Mariota's play as a whole.

We are not even CLOSE to Ridder-time...

Mariotta is a turn-over machine.

If the game is on the line, which it has been, he’s not winning it for you. As a matter of fact he’s probably turning it over.

Ridder isn’t a guarantee either. Put him in. Let him struggle. Let’s see what they have in him.

You know what you got with Mariotta. And it’s not a QB that’s getting you wins.

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3 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

Mariotta is a turn-over machine.

If the game is on the line, which it has been, he’s not winning it for you. As a matter of fact he’s probably turning it over.

Ridder isn’t a guarantee either. Put him in. Let him struggle. Let’s see what they have in him.

You know what you got with Mariotta. And it’s not a QB that’s getting you wins.

Well, listening to Smith's presser, I can tell you that is not the way the coaches see things...

He applauded and defended Mariota's play, looking at it as a few things need to be cleaned up, but crediting his play with the ability to have a chance to win at the end...

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If you're tryng to go off mathematical odds of his success, then history and the odds certainly are against him. We just have to wait and see, no harm really, either we suck and draft another one, or he's good and we can use that pick elsewhere. 

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2 minutes ago, Falconcheff said:

Well, listening to Smith's presser, I can tell you that is not the way the coaches see things...

He applauded and defended Mariota's play, looking at it as a few things need to be cleaned up, but crediting his play with the ability to have a chance to win at the end...

Either way they’re going to end up at the same place.

Starting Ridder gives him more experience and they’ll have a better idea what they’ve got in him.

But I will admit starting Ridder doesn’t give them a better chance to win. 

Sure. Let Mariotta start and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he’s a turnover waiting to happen. Then when they bench him after the bye no one can say they gave up on him too soon.

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1 minute ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

Either way they’re going to end up at the same place.

Starting Ridder gives him more experience and they’ll have a better idea what they’ve got in him.

But I will admit starting Ridder doesn’t give them a better chance to win. 

Sure. Let Mariotta start and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he’s a turnover waiting to happen. Then when they bench him after the bye no one can say they gave up on him too soon.

I belive 2 things related to this:

1, I think they know and are comfortable with who and what they have in Ridder, even if he doesn't play a single snap during the season...

2, I don't think Ridder starts unless/until we are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention (or a Mariota injury), which I don't think happens any time early this year...the team I've been watching the first two weeks will be in playoff contention until the end...

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1 hour ago, mc said:

1. New England: Mac Jones (1st)
2. Miami: Tua Tagovailoa (1st)
3. Buffalo: Josh Allen (1st)
4. NY Jets: Zach Wilson (1st)

1. Pittsburgh: Mitch Trubisky (1st)
2. Cincinnati: Joe Burrow (1st)
3. Cleveland: Deshaun Watson (1st)
4. Baltimore: Lamar Jackson (1st)

1. LAC: Justin Hebert (1st)
2. Kansas City: Patrick Mahomes (1st)
3. Las Vegas: Derek Carr (2nd)
4. Denver: Russell Wilson (3rd)

1. Indianapolis: Matt Ryan (1st) 
2. Houston: (Davis Mills 3rd)
3. Jacksonville: Trevor Lawrence (1st)
4. Tennessee: Ryan Tannehill (1st)

1. Dallas: Dak Prescott (4th)
2. Washington:  Carson Wentz (1st)
3. NYG: David Jones (1st)
4. Philadelphia: Jalen Hurts (2nd)

1. New Orleans: Jameis Winston (1st)
2. Carolina: Baker Mayfield (1st)
3. Atlanta: Marcus Mariota (1st)
4. Tampa Bay: Tom Brady (6th)

1. Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers (1st)
2. Detroit: Jared Goff (1st)
3. Chicago: Justin Fields (1st)
4. Minnesota: Kirk Cousins (4th)

1. LAR: Matt Stafford (1st)
2. Seattle: Geno Smith (2nd)
3. San Fran: Jimmy Garoppolo (2nd)
4. Arizona: Kyler Murray (1st)

Bold are the qbs that stand out to me. Really good to Elite.

 

A lot of starting qbs are 1st rounders but the goods news is that there are several 2nd and 3rd round really good qbs starting right now. 

also a lot of those 1st rounders starting now are mediocre at best.

 

I think what this shows is that a 1st round QB will get more chances to succeed and that generally anyone drafted after the third has to Excell almost from the getgo.  Had Brady and Warner not won Super Bowls in their first year as a starter it is likely that both would have become journeymen at best or even washed out after a few years.  The margin for error is much lower for cubes picked after the 2nd round.  

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Sure he can be great, but he went round 3 for a reason.

through the draft cycle teams determined he had part of his game to develop, which is why he went in round 3. Now he could obviously come in and prove all those doubt wrong as well.

don’t let preseason cloud your emotions though. What he sees now will be much different than what he was successful against in preseason.

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