Braves at Dodgers

[falconsd56]

2 hours ago, Unknøwn said:

Bowman also taking shots

 

I mean Snit has a point.

It is the 4th inning ....Newk is one of the few guys in the pen that can (theoretically at least) give you several ( 2 or 3) innings.

That is what he was counting on.

 

[Malachore]

3 hours ago, Unknøwn said:

Smit did say he was encouraged by Ynoa. Said he just ran out of gas but they'll continue to stretch him out. 

Since Ynoa's dumb wall punching move, his ERA is 6.11. He's still trying to get back to what he was before. 

He "ran out of gas" because he can't throw strikes.

[TheTrue7]

Only 150 games to go.. they better snap out of it. 
 

[falconsd56]

9 minutes ago, Malachore said:

It was a bad idea to even have him on the roster. He's not going to be anything that we haven't seen the last 4 years.

I'm just glad an Atlanta journalist finally called him out on his terrible bullpen management. Expectations are going to be higher this year and they've played well below them. I don't care that it's only the 2nd week, they likely win last night if Newk wasn't in there.

The problem is that Trea Turner kills the Braves.... regardless of who is pitching.

And in Freddie's at bat...pitch one was strike...so much that they had the count 0-1 on the TV.

And there was another pitch that was a ball but it was a strike for the dodger pitchers all night.

It was annoying and frustrating but it is unfair to say that Newk is why the Braves lost.

[Malachore]

3 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

I mean Snit has a point.

It is the 4th inning ....Newk is one of the few guys in the pen that can (theoretically at least) give you several ( 2 or 3) innings.

That is what he was counting on.

 

He shouldn't have been brought in with 2 on to face Freeman. Game was still in reach, he looked at the inning and not the situation. Ypu bring in literally any of the 5 backend guys there and roll the dice on Newk in the 5th and 6th.

[Malachore]

3 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

The problem is that Trea Turner kills the Braves.... regardless of who is pitching.

And in Freddie's at bat...pitch one was strike...so much that they had the count 0-1 on the TV.

And there was another pitch that was a ball but it was a strike for the dodger pitchers all night.

It was annoying and frustrating but it is unfair to say that Newk is why the Braves lost.

Yeah he isn't the only reason, Snit and Ynoa played a large part in it but like I said in the post above. You use any of your backend 5, even Minter/O'Day there and try Newk in the 5th and 6th. 

[Unknøwn]

14 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

I mean Snit has a point.

It is the 4th inning ....Newk is one of the few guys in the pen that can (theoretically at least) give you several ( 2 or 3) innings.

That is what he was counting on.

 

The argument is it doesn't matter what inning it is. If you feel the game is in jeopardy thats your high leverage inning. I mean you have such a deep pen you could have used O'Day for example and been fine. The point theyre making is that Newk is the mopup guy. He's the one you put in to eat innings when it's 10-0. Not to keep it close. The whole world knows at some point this year Newk will be DFA'd. 

[K26dp]

23 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

I mean Snit has a point.

It is the 4th inning ....Newk is one of the few guys in the pen that can (theoretically at least) give you several ( 2 or 3) innings.

That is what he was counting on.

 

So you bring in Minter to get out of the inning -- it's still only 3-0 at that point -- and if you have to pitch Newcomb give him clean bases to start with. Maybe then he can go 2 innings and the Braves get to a 4-3 lead.

Sometimes you have to realize that the biggest inning may be the 4th.

[ATLBham]

28 minutes ago, K26dp said:

So you bring in Minter to get out of the inning -- it's still only 3-0 at that point -- and if you have to pitch Newcomb give him clean bases to start with. Maybe then he can go 2 innings and the Braves get to a 4-3 lead.

Sometimes you have to realize that the biggest inning may be the 4th.

Completely agreed. That move was puzzling but if I have to play Snitker's advocate, I'm guessing he wants to test Newcomb's mettle by throwing him in a tough situation to see what he can do. At some point we can't "coddle" him by saving him for new innings... or at least that's what I'm thinking that Snitker was gunning. 

[Malachore]

1 minute ago, ATLBham said:

Completely agreed. That move was puzzling but if I have to play Snitker's advocate, I'm guessing he wants to test Newcomb's mettle by throwing him in a tough situation to see what he can do. At some point we can't "coddle" him by saving him for new innings... or at least that's what I'm thinking that Snitker was gunning. 

If Snit doesn't already know Newk then no one does. It's been the same thing for parts of 4 years now.

[falconsd56]

22 minutes ago, K26dp said:

So you bring in Minter to get out of the inning -- it's still only 3-0 at that point -- and if you have to pitch Newcomb give him clean bases to start with. Maybe then he can go 2 innings and the Braves get to a 4-3 lead.

Sometimes you have to realize that the biggest inning may be the 4th.

 

33 minutes ago, Unknøwn said:

The argument is it doesn't matter what inning it is. If you feel the game is in jeopardy thats your high leverage inning. I mean you have such a deep pen you could have used O'Day for example and been fine. The point theyre making is that Newk is the mopup guy. He's the one you put in to eat innings when it's 10-0. Not to keep it close. The whole world knows at some point this year Newk will be DFA'd. 

 

39 minutes ago, Malachore said:

Yeah he isn't the only reason, Snit and Ynoa played a large part in it but like I said in the post above. You use any of your backend 5, even Minter/O'Day there and try Newk in the 5th and 6th. 

I understand all of that  and I don't totally necessarily disagree but if Snit does bring one of those others guys in and they are off and the dodgers score or if they get out of it then but face a similar situation later in the game but those bullets are already spent then the complaint becomes that he used up his guys too early.

At the end of the day anybody who's in the pen needs to be able to handle high leverage situations....Newk used to be one of those guys but at this point he is not.... And I'm not sure that he'll be able to get back to where he was in being one of those guys.

I'd rather this happen in April then in September.

 

[K26dp]

22 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

I understand all of that  and I don't totally necessarily disagree but if Snit does bring one of those others guys in and they are off and the dodgers score or if they get out of it then but face a similar situation later in the game but those bullets are already spent then the complaint becomes that he used up his guys too early.

Yes, if the Dodgers score and a comeback becomes more unlikely, then you can use your mop-up guys like Newcomb, Thornberg, and Stephens to finish out the game. There's 11 relievers on the team, and only Spencer Strider was unavailable. I will NEVER complain if a manager uses a good reliever in a bid to keep the game from getting out of hand. 

[VNlanta]

39 minutes ago, K26dp said:

Yes, if the Dodgers score and a comeback becomes more unlikely, then you can use your mop-up guys like Newcomb, Thornberg, and Stephens to finish out the game. There's 11 relievers on the team, and only Spencer Strider was unavailable. I will NEVER complain if a manager uses a good reliever in a bid to keep the game from getting out of hand. 

Exactly. You only use Sean if you think you can't win the game. Down by 3 or so is within reach. 

As far as the offense goes, Ozuna is doing good but I wonder if his situation and chemistry creat some sort of uncomfortable clubhouse

[Malachore]

6 minutes ago, vietlanta said:

Exactly. You only use Sean if you think you can't win the game. Down by 3 or so is within reach. 

As far as the offense goes, Ozuna is doing good but I wonder if his situation and chemistry creat some sort of uncomfortable clubhouse

I believe AA said that the Dominican players wanted him back. The 2 likely ones who didn't jumped to LA and the other is garbage anyways.

[Ransack]

51 minutes ago, vietlanta said:

Exactly. You only use Sean if you think you can't win the game. Down by 3 or so is within reach. 

As far as the offense goes, Ozuna is doing good but I wonder if his situation and chemistry creat some sort of uncomfortable clubhouse

I talked about this a couple of months ago but most of these latino players grew up in places where domestic violence is "normal" not condoning it but it's not something they are going to see as a big deal or through American eyes. To them he paid his penalty, made his apologies, and that's that.

[Unknøwn]

1 hour ago, vietlanta said:

Exactly. You only use Sean if you think you can't win the game. Down by 3 or so is within reach. 

As far as the offense goes, Ozuna is doing good but I wonder if his situation and chemistry creat some sort of uncomfortable clubhouse

AA made it clear Ozuna is here cause the players asked for it. 

[ATL Fan in the DMV]

10 minutes ago, Unknøwn said:

AA made it clear Ozuna is here cause the players asked for it. 

I'm curious, where did he say that? I'm not doubting it at all, I just haven't seen that mentioned. 

[For the A]

For the out of market folks. The game will be on TBS. 

[BamaBirdLady]

14 hours ago, falconsd56 said:

I think Dansby needs to sit a day. He is pressing too much and has reverted back to not being able to hit the breaking ball.

Who do we play for Dansby? This is when I wish we would had Camargo, not that he wasn't a get hitter, but he was a great infielder. This would give us a great option at SS and give Dansby a minute to figure out what he is seeing at the plate.

[Unknøwn]

Braves have called up Dylan Lee and Touki. Ynoa sent to AAA and Newk DFA'd

[Unknøwn]

Just now, BamaBirdLady said:

Who do we play for Dansby? This is when I wish we would had Camargo, not that he wasn't a get hitter, but he was a great infielder. This would give us a great option at SS and give Dansby a minute to figure out what he is seeing at the plate.

Arcia's natural position is SS. 

[Jimsmusic™]

 

 

 

[ATL Fan in the DMV]

What's the point of having a deep bullpen when you don't use it correctly? I really wish managers would use common sense by understanding high and low leverage and deploying relievers accordingly. And because the vast majority don't, you get clueless responses like Snit's. 

[Unknøwn]

Jacob Webb was claimed off waivers by Arizona. Chadwick Tromp cleared and will remain at Gwinnett. 

[dmite]

2 hours ago, Malachore said:

I believe AA said that the Dominican players wanted him back. The 2 likely ones who didn't jumped to LA and the other is garbage anyways.

Who are the others besides Freeman?