K26dp Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: Instead of disputing all the valid stats I've posted you just call me wrong and then when I don't just "drop it" you question my maturity. Also, I questioned your maturity over your declaration that "seeing everyone act so gitty [sic] about him just pisses me off", not be because you haven't dropped this discussion. That other people like a player you don't has zero impact on your or the team and its World Series chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, K26dp said: The stats you quoted don't back up your opinion. The stats indicate he's about a league-average hitter, not "one of the worst hitters in baseball". It's not the stats that are wrong, it's simply you. Would he be better if he got on base more? Of course. He would also be better if he hit more home runs, or more doubles, or stole bases, or played Gold Glove caliber centerfield. He doesn't. But that doesn't mean he's useless. And you are right that he likely wouldn't start for a World Series team. As you have repeatedly pointed out over the last several months, the Braves aren't a World Series team. Him being one of the worst hitters in baseball isn't the issue here or not. We just have different opinions about what it means to be one of the worst hitters in baseball. IMO he's not one of the worst hitters in baseball because things like his wRC+ is just slightly below league average but it's close enough for you that he's not. IMO he is because league average is horrible IMO, especially with an OBP as low as his. This is just a matter of us having different opinions on what it means to be be one of the worst hitters in baseball. That doesn't make me right or wrong or make you right or wrong. It's a different level of assessment and standard and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Brian Snitker pinch-hitting for Drew Smyly here is 110% the correct decision and I'm just absolutely stunned. Good job Snit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknøwn Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: Brian Snitker pinch-hitting for Drew Smyly here is 110% the correct decision and I'm just absolutely stunned. Good job Snit. Third straight start he pulled Smyly after 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhino Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Soler isn't too shabby AUTiger7222 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Homerun Jorge Soler!! 3-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, AUTiger7222 said: Him being one of the worst hitters in baseball isn't the issue here or not. It is literally what we've been arguing about. 3 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: We just have different opinions about what it means to be one of the worst hitters in baseball. What's great about statistics is that they make opinions irrelevant. Someone or something who is "average" cannot be "one of the worst", unless your definition of the latter is so expansive as to make quantitative analysis utterly meaningless. 5 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: IMO he's not one of the worst hitters in baseball because things like his wRC+ is just slightly below league average but it's close enough for you that he's not. IMO he is because league average is horrible IMO, especially with an OBP as low as his. I'm going to guess this made sense to you. I'm also going to guess that it makes sense to no one else. 6 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: This is just a matter of us having different opinions on what it means to be be one of the worst hitters in baseball. That doesn't make me right or wrong or make you right or wrong. It's a different level of assessment and standard and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Reality doesn't care about your opinions. You're simply wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknøwn Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Is Soler the biggest July addition ever? I'll hang up and listen K26dp, ATL Fan in the DMV and blizzard_falcon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, Unknøwn said: Third straight start he pulled Smyly after 4 One of those was the game in Philly where Smyly was pulled because of his knee injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL58 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: Nope. Player A gets on base more and therefore if he's on base more naturally he's gonna score more than Player B. The more runners you get on base the more runs you score. It's the Moneyball approach. It's that simple. If he’s batting seventh in front of Kevan Smith and the pitching spot he won’t score as much as you think, especially if he’s on base via walk or single. Man you are one salty dude blizzard_falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Unknøwn said: Is Soler the biggest July addition ever? I'll hang up and listen McGriff2.0. AUTiger7222 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Again Georgian Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Love to see our boys fighting back. Only down one now. AUTiger7222 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknøwn Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, AUTiger7222 said: One of those was the game in Philly where Smyly was pulled because of his knee injury. True,forgot about the ole led pipe to knee AUTiger7222 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, K26dp said: It is literally what we've been arguing about. What's great about statistics is that they make opinions irrelevant. Someone or something who is "average" cannot be "one of the worst", unless your definition of the latter is so expansive as to make quantitative analysis utterly meaningless. I'm going to guess this made sense to you. I'm also going to guess that it makes sense to no one else. Reality doesn't care about your opinions. You're simply wrong. Depends on which stats you use to evaluate players. wRC+ = Adam Duvall = League Average = This is where you stand OBP = Adam Duvall = One of the worst hitters in baseball = This is where I stand But we've gone around in this circle enough times and I'm tired of you calling me wrong because I use a different stat than you do to evaluate a hitter and we're never going to see eye-to-eye on this. This has gone way past rational discussion and has just become silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 When Anderson gets back they need to move Smyly to the pen AUTiger7222 and ATL Fan in the DMV 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Adam Duvall said: If he’s batting seventh in front of Kevan Smith and the pitching spot he won’t score as much as you think, especially if he’s on base via walk or single. Man you are one salty dude If a guy with a .350 OBP is hitting 7th the manager is a dumb***. The Braves only have 3 hitters (Freeman, Acuna, Riley) with an OBP above .350 and since Acuna is hurt that would put the guy with a .350 OBP as the 3rd best mark on the team among active players. So if he's hitting 7th the manager should be fired for being a dumb***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, falconsd56 said: When Anderson gets back they need to move Smyly to the pen BTW, I agree with you. Just find DOB's response here to be extremely weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, K26dp said: McGriff2.0. Hopefully that's the case. I think if the Braves can ever win 2 on a row and get out of this rut they'd go on a streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Absolutely wonderful management by Snit so far tonight. Pulled Smyly at the right time and then used one of his high-leverage relievers in a high-leverage situation and Rodriguez with a clean 9-pitch inning. ATL Fan in the DMV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Javier Baez homerun and Mets lead 4-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Ryan "the chop is offensive to me" Helsley now in the game. I hate this ***********'s guts!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, AUTiger7222 said: BTW, I agree with you. Just find DOB's response here to be extremely weird. He is just pointing out that the grass is not always greener. And he is right...it is not but I just think given how Smyly has pitched over the last month or so he be more of an asset all depend then what he would be as a starter. He is usually good for three or four innings... And there are times that he is lights out in those innings. But with Muller,Fried, Anderson, Morton, and Touki ( assuming he bounces back from his rough start) then Smyly's best use is in the pen IMO same with Ynoa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, falconsd56 said: He is just pointing out that the grass is not always greener. And he is right...it is not but I just think given how Smyly has pitched over the last month or so he be more of an asset all depend then what he would be as a starter. He is usually good for three or four innings... And there are times that he is lights out in those innings. But with Muller,Fried, Anderson, Morton, and Touki ( assuming he bounces back from his rough start) then Smyly's best use is in the pen IMO same with Ynoa. I think his reasoning is off though. Basically he's saying Ynoa can't come back and do well cause he missed too much time so we should stick with Smyly. That's a bad reason IMO. Smyly is better served for the bullpen given that he can't make it through the lineup 3 times without getting absolutely rocked that 3rd time too and a starter that's only capable of 4 or 5 good innings every time out puts a strain on the pen. ATL Fan in the DMV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger7222 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Adam Duvall please hit a homerun here and make me look like a complete dumb***. Williamb and blizzard_falcon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhino Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 And Duvall gives the Braves the lead! blizzard_falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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