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In this format, the top four conference champions would get byes in the first round and the other eight teams would compete in first-round games on the campuses of the teams ranked Nos. 5-8. Those games would take place in the two weeks following conference championship weekend.

The quarterfinals would be played at bowl sites (games not specified), taking place on Jan. 1 (or Jan. 2 when New Year's Day falls on a Sunday) and an adjacent day. It has not yet been determined when semifinals and the national championship would be played, but the working group suggests the semifinals not be played as a doubleheader like presently constituted. 

 

NCAA meets next week to approve it

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46 minutes ago, tl;dr said:

Good. Not fair to other teams who have to play an extra game 

Thats exactly what the ND AD referenced. He said i don't want to hear anyone ever complain about 1 less game again because they signed off on this format to limit themselves 

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5 hours ago, Unknøwn said:

Thats exactly what the ND AD referenced. He said i don't want to hear anyone ever complain about 1 less game again because they signed off on this format to limit themselves 

I've got no issues with them making it the past few years when they did honestly. They usually play predominantly P5 teams and if they go 12-0, sure why not. A lot of teams make it in at 12-1 so the extra game is kind of overrated. Even if they lost a conference championship, they'd be 12-1. I could be wrong, but I think the only 12-1 team that has ever missed it was 2018 Ohio State who lost by like a million to an average Purdue team. Give me ND over that all day.

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Believe it or not, only 1 team has been ranked in the final CFP top 12 every year and that would be.... Ohio State.

Clemson and OU missed it in 2014
Alabama missed it in 2019

Interesting that only 1 team would have made it every year and it's not Alabama or Clemson who have won 5 of the 7 titles.

Another stat I think is cool is total title game appearances:

Alabama- 5 (3-2)
Clemson- 4 (2-2)
Ohio State- 2 (1-1)
LSU- 1 (1-0)
Georgia- 1 (0-1)
Oregon- 1 (0-1)

If you are looking at someone else to add their name to that list, check out Oklahoma this year. Think there is a good shot they make the title game with the top 3 all having new starters at QB. All 3 are mega talented, but only 1 has real game experiences and that would be DJ at Clemson. 

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Here's what the 2020 playoffs would have looked like if this format was in place. 

#9 UGA vs #8 Cincy - Winner to Bama

#12 Coastal Carolina vs #5 ND - winner to Oklahoma

#11 Indiana vs #6 A&M - winner to Ohio State

#10 Iowa State vs #7 Florida - winner to Clemson

Bye Week: #1 Alabama, #2 Clemson, #3 Ohio State, #4 Oklahoma. 

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On 6/11/2021 at 11:47 AM, Unknøwn said:

I feel its worth adding that Notre Dame is ineligible for a top 4 seed. Only conference champions can qualify for a bye and a 1-4 ranking. So ND can only be a #5, at best. Even if ND is 12-0 theyre the #5.

I've been very critical of Notre Dame over the years, but I must say. They held their own in the ACC in 2020.

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On 6/11/2021 at 11:47 AM, Unknøwn said:

I feel its worth adding that Notre Dame is ineligible for a top 4 seed. Only conference champions can qualify for a bye and a 1-4 ranking. So ND can only be a #5, at best. Even if ND is 12-0 theyre the #5.

It's ironic that most of the seeding is based on rankings, which are basically opinions. 

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On 6/12/2021 at 5:38 PM, Faithful Falcon said:

I've been very critical of Notre Dame over the years, but I must say. They held their own in the ACC in 2020.

I can agree on both counts. I really don't like Notre Dame, but you're right, they played well in conference last season, including a win over Clemson.

If my memory serves me correctly, they actually lobbied to play Clemson again in the ACC Title Game. Tigers had Trevor Lawrence for that one, so they ended up winning, then Alabama defeated them easily in the CFP.

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32 minutes ago, eddiesauto said:

I can agree on both counts. I really don't like Notre Dame, but you're right, they played well in conference last season, including a win over Clemson.

If my memory serves me correctly, they actually lobbied to play Clemson again in the ACC Title Game. Tigers had Trevor Lawrence for that one, so they ended up winning, then Alabama defeated them easily in the CFP.

I wish ND would just join the ACC. Would help the ACC become better in football. If Miami and FSU ever wake up, it would be a solid conference. Don't think Clemson and ND are ever going to be just terrible again 

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15 minutes ago, tl;dr said:

I wish ND would just join the ACC. Would help the ACC become better in football. If Miami and FSU ever wake up, it would be a solid conference. Don't think Clemson and ND are ever going to be just terrible again 

I wish they would too. It's like they're cherry picking how they're affiliated with the ACC.

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Theres now belief that because of the SEC's move the playoff expansion will be paused. The powers that be seem a bit upset that this agreement was hammered out with the SEC holding a secret. The new Pac 12 commissioner is especially unhappy about it. The report says they want to expand input to other conferences and wait to see how this realignment thing shakes out. So, for now, we may have to settle for 4 team playoffs. 

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29 minutes ago, Unknøwn said:

Theres now belief that because of the SEC's move the playoff expansion will be paused. The powers that be seem a bit upset that this agreement was hammered out with the SEC holding a secret. The new Pac 12 commissioner is especially unhappy about it. The report says they want to expand input to other conferences and wait to see how this realignment thing shakes out. So, for now, we may have to settle for 4 team playoffs. 

Definitely kind of the opposite of "good faith" negotiations given that it seems clear the SEC has been working on this behind the scenes for upwards of 6 months. 

Honestly not sure I see how it actually changes much though... if anything, you're likely to see more losses in the SEC, and until you see how that is reflected in the rankings, there is just as good of a chance that you have fewer SEC programs represented in the top 12 and more B1G/ACC/PAC12. People have talked for years about strength of schedule, but at the end of the day, those rankings have largely been about not losing, and it's been that way from the beginning.

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2 hours ago, Unknøwn said:

Theres now belief that because of the SEC's move the playoff expansion will be paused. The powers that be seem a bit upset that this agreement was hammered out with the SEC holding a secret. The new Pac 12 commissioner is especially unhappy about it. The report says they want to expand input to other conferences and wait to see how this realignment thing shakes out. So, for now, we may have to settle for 4 team playoffs. 

they should know that could be said public until or even in private until an agreement was in place..  i think you just have a few upset leagues that are quite angry with the SEC power play and they are triggered.. completely stupid to hold this up because their feelings are hurt.. 

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On 6/10/2021 at 5:16 PM, Unknøwn said:

In this format, the top four conference champions would get byes in the first round and the other eight teams would compete in first-round games on the campuses of the teams ranked Nos. 5-8. Those games would take place in the two weeks following conference championship weekend.

The quarterfinals would be played at bowl sites (games not specified), taking place on Jan. 1 (or Jan. 2 when New Year's Day falls on a Sunday) and an adjacent day. It has not yet been determined when semifinals and the national championship would be played, but the working group suggests the semifinals not be played as a doubleheader like presently constituted. 

 

NCAA meets next week to approve it

I proposed a plan fairly close to this back in 1994 and actually sent it to the NCAA offices. 

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