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11 minutes ago, andrews31cain21 said:

Yeah...if he would have taken the pay cut initially, then we would not have had to restructure again......i think..lol

Do you have me on ignore? I've done explained to you with proof that there's no such thing as pay cuts. Big Ben did not take a pay cut.

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15 minutes ago, thanat0s said:

Now I don’t know this for certain, but I suspect that the way he has done the restructuring to help the team get cap, even if he took a pay cut at this point, the signing bonus portion might make a pay cut irrelevant as it relates to the cap. 

There is no such thing as a pay cut. Check out my posts. Big Ben didn't take a pay cut. No one does. It's not allowed.

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3 hours ago, ShmevinShmarris said:

Easier solution would be a big company in Atlanta makes Matt Ryan their sponsor.

They pay him $15m/year in agreement that his contract with us is $15m/year.

We get Ryan for cheaper. 
Ryan gets better teammates.

 

Win win.

My only question would be, How does it work? The NFL just needs a better solution when it comes to managing contracts, and the salary cap. They should be allowed a contract buyout, so neither the player nor the team gets screwed.

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3 hours ago, andrews31cain21 said:

Now before you guys rip me hear me out....I listen to alot of Sirius XM NFL radio and they were talking about Ben Roethlisberger taking a 5million dollar paycut to help out the team this year.. Matt has made over 200 Million(Rightly Deserved) and I think if they would have approached Matt, before all the trade rumors and taking a QB in draft, and also going in interviews talking about they are listening to trades on all players, that Matt would have agreed to take a 5million or so paycut.  If they would have went to him and let him know they were dedicated to him and winning now, I dont see Matt refusing to take a small paycut..well small to QBs...lol..

They could have told him you are our QB for at least the next 3 years..... Asked him to take a 5 million paycut this year and next year, then give him a 10million dollar raise in 2023(when the cap is suppose to really explode) basically making back the money he gave up...all guaranteed and even throw in a no trade clause to show they are dedicated to him..

But after all the trade talks and talk of taking a QB then i can understand Matt saying ummm...no..IF they could have done this, then they wouldnt have had to restructure his contract, they could have just restructured Grady's if he didnt want to extend, then we wouldnt be really held hostage with the whole JJ thing..

On the flip side, Matt may have approached them about a pay cut, but for future security, and they didnt want to commit....

Anyway, just my thoughts... I just think maybe TF started talking too early with the thought they would have no problem moving JJ

Matt restructured his contract 4x in 22 months already, including the latest within weeks of TF becoming GM. Your post makes it sound like Matt has been greedy and unaccommodating at the expense of the team, which is absurd nonsense.

Some of you are still making way too big a deal about the cap. Most likely because you’re ignorant and still falling for the media’s constant blowing it out of proportion, because they either want clicks or they’re also ignorant.

DLed is a perfect example. That idiot still insists we have to free up nearly $13m right now when it’s really only around $6m.

$6m is not cap he!!. It’s peanuts and easy to reach.  And next year we’ll go into FA with something like $40m+ to spend, even with existing contracts ballooning.

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33 minutes ago, andrews31cain21 said:

Yeah...if he would have taken the pay cut initially, then we would not have had to restructure again......i think..lol

Except no player has ever actually taken a pay cut.

There's a difference between signing a contract below market value, and taking a pay cut after the contract was signed.

You can't legally do that without just ripping up the contract altogether and signing a new one, which I'm sure presents a plethora of other issues, like how that affects his agent's compensation.

Some of you guys talk about pay cuts like it's so easy to execute in practice as if football players are just your regular salaried workers or those on an hourly wage.

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You'd have to be an idiot to take a pay cut for a loser franchise. The only reason would be if you have a brand that could possibly leverage any kind of "pay cut" you'd take. You're not building any kind of brand with a team like the falcons, especially if you are Matt Ryan.

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1 hour ago, Beef said:

Matt restructured his contract 4x in 22 months already, including the latest within weeks of TF becoming GM. Your post makes it sound like Matt has been greedy and unaccommodating at the expense of the team, which is absurd nonsense.

Some of you are still making way too big a deal about the cap. Most likely because you’re ignorant and still falling for the media’s constant blowing it out of proportion, because they either want clicks or they’re also ignorant.

DLed is a perfect example. That idiot still insists we have to free up nearly $13m right now when it’s really only around $6m.

$6m is not cap he!!. It’s peanuts and easy to reach.  And next year we’ll go into FA with something like $40m+ to spend, even with existing contracts ballooning.

#1 I never said Matt was greedy...if you would read the actual post instead of the title i said Matt's money was deserved...i also said Matt may have been open to it if they would have made dedication to him right off the bat...it was all just hypothesis...

#2 If 6 million dollars is no big deal, then why havent we freed it up, already....therefore giving us more levarage in the JJ situation

Some of you guys get too wound up...this was all hypothesis...sit down, put your feet up, and have a drink.................****

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1 minute ago, andrews31cain21 said:

#1 I never said Matt was greedy...if you would read the actual post instead of the title i said Matt's money was deserved...i also said Matt may have been open to it if they would have made dedication to him right off the bat...it was all just hypothesis...

#2 If 6 million dollars is no big deal, then why havent we freed it up, already....therefore giving us more levarage in the JJ situation

Some of you guys get too wound up...this was all hypothesis...sit down, put your feet up, and have a drink.................****

You must have me on ignore since I've already disproved your whole "Matt Ryan should have taken a pay cut" theory.

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No..don't have you on ignore at all.... IF two parties are willing to redo a contract, then a contract can be redone....the NFL Union cannot prevent you from doing that..they may not like it, but they cannot stop you...... I believe Dante Fowler just took a paycut to stay with us because if we would have cut him, his guaranteed money would have been less than what we guaranteed

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While I don't think TF and company were ready to hitch their wagon to Matt Ryan longterm, I think they understood that keeping him for likely this year and next year were the most pragmatic moves.  My opinion is they get serious about finding a successor next offseason irrespective of how he plays this year.  I think a little more rapport and trust would have to be built before Matt is willing to take a payout.  The Steelers have had the same front office and HC for going on 2 decades so I think Roethlisberger and Brady comparisons are not valid. 

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2 hours ago, Beef said:

Matt restructured his contract 4x in 22 months already, including the latest within weeks of TF becoming GM. Your post makes it sound like Matt has been greedy and unaccommodating at the expense of the team, which is absurd nonsense.

Some of you are still making way too big a deal about the cap. Most likely because you’re ignorant and still falling for the media’s constant blowing it out of proportion, because they either want clicks or they’re also ignorant.

DLed is a perfect example. That idiot still insists we have to free up nearly $13m right now when it’s really only around $6m.

$6m is not cap he!!. It’s peanuts and easy to reach.  And next year we’ll go into FA with something like $40m+ to spend, even with existing contracts ballooning.

Your are still hanging on to alternative facts if the cap concerns were not a big deal there would be no need to restructure Matt Ryan for the 4th time.   You fail to understand this is a competition of limited resources between 31 other NFL teams, you can move money around but you ultimately will limit your teams flexibility in the future.

Julio knows this team is not in position to compete for Superbowl and has limited resources to pay him moving forward.  He is only really making 15 million this season, it's obvious his cap number is the issue. 

 

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2 minutes ago, andrews31cain21 said:

No..don't have you on ignore at all.... IF two parties are willing to redo a contract, then a contract can be redone....the NFL Union cannot prevent you from doing that..they may not like it, but they cannot stop you...... I believe Dante Fowler just took a paycut to stay with us because if we would have cut him, his guaranteed money would have been less than what we guaranteed

You used Big Ben as your example of what Matt Ryan should have done. Big Ben didn't take a pay cut. Big Ben is going to make over $10M in 2022 to not play for the Steelers because his contract expires after 2021. The Steelers added 4 voided years to Big Ben's deal in order to make his cap hit for 2021 go down to a more manageable number. Big Ben is still going to get paid his money.

Dante Fowler "only" took a pay cut in that he's now got to earn his money. If he goes out and gets 11 sacks this year he will make the exact same amount of money as he previously would have made had he not doing anything to his contract.

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2 hours ago, AUTiger7222 said:

There is no such thing as a pay cut. Check out my posts. Big Ben didn't take a pay cut. No one does. It's not allowed.

True.  I think we use the term pay cut for expediency more than anything. It’s definitely not strictly deciding to just walk away from a contract, but no one wants to constantly get into the minutiae of it all. 

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7 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said:

You used Big Ben as your example of what Matt Ryan should have done. Big Ben didn't take a pay cut. Big Ben is going to make over $10M in 2022 to not play for the Steelers because his contract expires after 2021. The Steelers added 4 voided years to Big Ben's deal in order to make his cap hit for 2021 go down to a more manageable number. Big Ben is still going to get paid his money.

Dante Fowler "only" took a pay cut in that he's now got to earn his money. If he goes out and gets 11 sacks this year he will make the exact same amount of money as he previously would have made had he not doing anything to his contract.

Big Ben signed a new contract, he didn't structure his contract. Matt Ryan restructured and is getting paid early but the Falcons cap number continues to balloon in future years. 

How is this the same thing?

Ben Roethlisberger: Taking a pay cut was my idea - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)

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6 hours ago, andrews31cain21 said:

Now before you guys rip me hear me out....I listen to alot of Sirius XM NFL radio and they were talking about Ben Roethlisberger taking a 5million dollar paycut to help out the team this year.. Matt has made over 200 Million(Rightly Deserved) and I think if they would have approached Matt, before all the trade rumors and taking a QB in draft, and also going in interviews talking about they are listening to trades on all players, that Matt would have agreed to take a 5million or so paycut.  If they would have went to him and let him know they were dedicated to him and winning now, I dont see Matt refusing to take a small paycut..well small to QBs...lol..

They could have told him you are our QB for at least the next 3 years..... Asked him to take a 5 million paycut this year and next year, then give him a 10million dollar raise in 2023(when the cap is suppose to really explode) basically making back the money he gave up...all guaranteed and even throw in a no trade clause to show they are dedicated to him..

But after all the trade talks and talk of taking a QB then i can understand Matt saying ummm...no..IF they could have done this, then they wouldnt have had to restructure his contract, they could have just restructured Grady's if he didnt want to extend, then we wouldnt be really held hostage with the whole JJ thing..

On the flip side, Matt may have approached them about a pay cut, but for future security, and they didnt want to commit....

Anyway, just my thoughts... I just think maybe TF started talking too early with the thought they would have no problem moving JJ

If your boss approaches you Monday about taking a pay cut, let us know how you feel and what you told them. 

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1 minute ago, nomak said:

If your boss approaches you Monday about taking a pay cut, let us know how you feel and what you told them. 

If my boss gave me some guarantees...as i mentioned in the post, then yes i would be open to it...read the whole post before responding

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1 minute ago, andrews31cain21 said:

If my boss gave me some guarantees...as i mentioned in the post, then yes i would be open to it...read the whole post before responding

Naaaaa. I'm good. I actually only read the title and responded to that. 

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38 minutes ago, insight said:

Big Ben signed a new contract, he didn't structure his contract. Matt Ryan restructured and is getting paid early but the Falcons cap number continues to balloon in future years. 

How is this the same thing?

Ben Roethlisberger: Taking a pay cut was my idea - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)

🤦‍♂️ Every time a player restructures a new contract is drawn up and signed. I thought that was common knowledge.

 

 

Also, Big Ben will get paid over $10M in 2022 to not play for the Steelers.

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7 hours ago, andrews31cain21 said:

Now before you guys rip me hear me out....I listen to a lot of Sirius Xm NFL radio and they were talking about Ben Roethlisberger taking a 5million dollar paycut to help out the team this year.. Matt has made over 200 Million(Rightly Deserved) and I think if they would have approached Matt, before all the trade rumors and taking a QB in draft, and also going in interviews talking about they are listening to trades on all players, that Matt would have agreed to take a 5million or so paycut.  If they would have went to him and let him know they were dedicated to him and winning now, I dont see Matt refusing to take a small paycut..well small to QBs...lol..

They could have told him you are our QB for at least the next 3 years..... Asked him to take a 5 million paycut this year and next year, then give him a 10million dollar raise in 2023(when the cap is suppose to really explode) basically making back the money he gave up...all guaranteed and even throw in a no trade clause to show they are dedicated to him..

But after all the trade talks and talk of taking a QB then i can understand Matt saying ummm...no..IF they could have done this, then they wouldnt have had to restructure his contract, they could have just restructured Grady's if he didnt want to extend, then we wouldnt be really held hostage with the whole JJ thing..

On the flip side, Matt may have approached them about a pay cut, but for future security, and they didnt want to commit....

Anyway, just my thoughts... I just think maybe TF started talking too early with the thought they would have no problem moving JJ

With all due respect, that’s just a step above kiddie porn.

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55 minutes ago, insight said:

Your are still hanging on to alternative facts if the cap concerns were not a big deal there would be no need to restructure Matt Ryan for the 4th time.   You fail to understand this is a competition of limited resources between 31 other NFL teams, you can move money around but you ultimately will limit your teams flexibility in the future.

Julio knows this team is not in position to compete for Superbowl and has limited resources to pay him moving forward.  He is only really making 15 million this season, it's obvious his cap number is the issue. 

 

They’re not near as big a deal as media (and therefore you) are making it. 

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1 hour ago, andrews31cain21 said:

#1 I never said Matt was greedy...if you would read the actual post instead of the title i said Matt's money was deserved...i also said Matt may have been open to it if they would have made dedication to him right off the bat...it was all just hypothesis...

#2 If 6 million dollars is no big deal, then why havent we freed it up, already....therefore giving us more levarage in the JJ situation

Thats because it IS a big deal. They have already restructured everyone they can except Grady.  Its either restructure Grady or trade Julio. Teams are negotiating with the Falcons fully aware of that, thus, they don't want to give the Falcons a first round pick. The Falcons are holding out on taking less because the closer they get to training camp, the more likely a team gets desperate and give them that first pick...

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