gazoo Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Wow, this is flat out UGLY! How many teams burned such a precious resource as a top 5 draft pick on a QB only to be tragically set back years and ultimately colossally disappointed? Top 5 QBs Top 5 QBs Top 5 QBs Michael Vick (Pick 1) - 2001 David Carr (1) - 2002 Joey Harrington (3) - 2002 Carson Palmer (1) - 2003 Eli Manning (1) - 2004 Philip Rivers (4) - 2004 Alex Smith (1) - 2005 Vince Young (3) - 2006 JaMarcus Russell (1) - 2007 Matt Ryan (3) - 2008 Matthew Stafford (1) - 2009 Mark Sanchez (5) - 2009 Sam Bradford (1) - 2010 Cam Newton (1) - 2011 Andrew Luck (1) - 2012 Robert Griffin III (2) - 2012 Blake Bortles (3) - 2014 Jameis Winston (1) - 2015 Marcus Mariota (2) - 2015 Jared Goff (1) - 2016 Carson Wenz (2) - 2016 Mitch Trubisky (2) - 2017 Baker Mayfield (1) - 2018 Sam Darnold (3) - 2018 Kyler Murray (1) - 2019 Joe Burrow (1) - 2020 Tua Tagovialoa (5) - 2020 https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2021/4/11/22377203/what-history-says-the-falcons-should-do-with-the-4th-pick-in-the-nfl-draft CTann, AlabamaFalconFan, Drunken Minotaur Zebra and 4 others 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 Let's go ahead and look at the odds of picking a QB in top 5 and having them be a bust or disappointments since 2000, shall we? So everyone name the QB on there who lived up to the pick. I'll start: Matt Ryan O Falcão Risohno, ATLskinjob, Drunken Minotaur Zebra and 6 others 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconofShadows Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Ryan for sure. Eli won 2 SB so they shouldn't complain. And Stafford has always been real good but detroit sucks. He is like the 1 real good QB who had it worse then Ryan Tim Mazetti, Falcon from E, ATLskinjob and 4 others 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollywood Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2021/4/11/22377203/what-history-says-the-falcons-should-do-with-the-4th-pick-in-the-nfl-draft ...(taking a QB)If Atlanta’s scouting and research tells them that whichever quarterback available is the right pick, that’s the decision they should make. Even if that player is technically the fourth one off the board ...(Trading down)Based on this, it does seem that this is at least somewhat tied to the competency of a front office ...(BPA)Each draft is different, though. And this year is shaping up to be different from any we’ve ever seen. If the Falcons do intend to truly go best player available, history indicates they can have success with that strategy at #4. Nevertheless, It’s still up to the Falcons to make the correct pick, and, keep in mind, that best player available approach could still lead them to a quarterback. At the end of the day, the draft is an inexact science, and teams are just as likely to fail as they are to succeed. But, like good teams on the field, good front offices can take different approaches to different drafts to find the best value and take the best players. Now, it’s time to find out if this new Atlanta regime can find that right approach. Dirtier Bird, HASHBROWN3, Atl Falcon and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollywood Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, gazoo said: Let's go ahead and look at the odds of picking a QB in top 5 and having them be a bust or disappointments since 2000, shall we? So everyone name the QB on there who lived up to the pick. I'll start: Matt Ryan Vick, Eli, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford, Cam, Luck(maybe), Goff (Maybe), Wentz(Maybe), Mayfield (maybe), Murray, Burrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, hollywood said: Vick, Eli, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford, Cam, Luck(maybe), Goff (Maybe), Wentz(Maybe), Mayfield (maybe), Murray, Burrow. Maybe means no. Top 5 pick should have an expectation of superstar Knight of God, JohnnyFranchise, Rings and 7 others 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putnam6 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, hollywood said: Vick, Eli, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford, Cam, Luck(maybe), Goff (Maybe), Wentz(Maybe), Mayfield (maybe), Murray, Burrow. Luck just got derailed by injuries too soon on Burrow and Murray though Kyle is likely worth it. Goff and Wentz are definitely not worth the price even Mayfield is marginal. Only 2 Super Bowl victories both by Eli and those Giant teams had real good defenses. gazoo, hollywood and Falcon from E 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, hollywood said: Vick, Eli, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford, Cam, Luck(maybe), Goff (Maybe), Wentz(Maybe), Mayfield (maybe), Murray, Burrow. None of them 10-15 year franchise QB outside of Stafford, Eli and Ryan. You gonna have guy sit for 2 years, it better be some one like Ryan. Odds are there aren’t many outside of those 3. Falcon from E, gazoo and papachaz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swayzee Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 20 minutes ago, gazoo said: Let's go ahead and look at the odds of picking a QB in top 5 and having them be a bust or disappointments since 2000, shall we? So everyone name the QB on there who lived up to the pick. I'll start: Matt Ryan You are going to be one sad little alien come draft night. Atl Falcon, Drunken Minotaur Zebra and tbhawksfan 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonOfThemBirds Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, falcons007 said: None of them 10-15 year franchise QB outside of Stafford, Eli and Ryan. You gonna have guy sit for 2 years, it better be some one like Ryan. Odds are there aren’t many outside of those 3. Luck would've been if Colts would've gotten him a competent o-line before his injuries piled up. Atl Falcon, papachaz and Sidecar Falcon 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollywood Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said: Maybe means no. Top 5 pick should have an expectation of superstar I hear ya. and I don't entirely disagree. That pick range you are wanting a superstar. BUT they are still starters at the moment, still playing so the book isn't closed. I wouldn't call them busts quite yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollywood Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, putnam6 said: Luck just got derailed by injuries too soon on Burrow and Murray though Kyle is likely worth it. Goff and Wentz are definitely not worth the price even Mayfield is marginal. Only 2 Super Bowl victories both by Eli and those Giant teams had real good defenses. yeah, I dont disagree but he got the two. Lets look at all the non qb top 5 draft picks and see if the other positions have faired any better. (hint: the article says both QB and non QB top 5 picks turn out to be about 50-50) Edited April 12, 2021 by hollywood Atl Falcon and Kaptain Krazy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 TBF, this isn't the lottery. Every QB in the top 5 ever could be a bust and it wouldn't mean **** in terms of evaluation of the next year's crop. Every individual must be evaluated on their own merits. What this probably shows more than anything is that those picking at the top of the draft are consistently poorly evaluating QB talent. tbhawksfan, vel, Atl Falcon and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said: Luck would've been if Colts would've gotten him a competent o-line before his injuries piled up. It’s not Like Ryan had competent OL. Ryan got hit more than luck. His body just couldn’t hold up and then he lost the heart. Falcon from E, papachaz and DonOfThemBirds 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollywood Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, falcons007 said: None of them 10-15 year franchise QB outside of Stafford, Eli and Ryan. You gonna have guy sit for 2 years, it better be some one like Ryan. Odds are there aren’t many outside of those 3. and Rivers. falcons007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonOfThemBirds Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, falcons007 said: It’s not Like Ryan had competent OL. Ryan got hit more than luck. His body just couldn’t hold up and then he lost the heart. True, but it seems like Colts FO at the time didn't even try to field a competent o-line for Luck. At least we knew that TD tried countless times lol. falcons007 and Atl Falcon 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, hollywood said: and Rivers. True. All before the rookie CBA. Russell Wilson is the only 10-15 year franchise QB in post rookie cap. Crazy thing is Mayfield is the only top 5 QB drafted after 2009 playing on same team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, DonOfThemBirds said: True, but it seems like Colts FO at the time didn't even try to field a competent o-line for Luck. At least we knew that TD tried countless times lol. Trying and fielding are different bro. We all know the disaster OL try’s from TD. Atl Falcon and DonOfThemBirds 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonOfThemBirds Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Does RG3 really count? He literally had all the talent knocked out of him by Spoon. Atl Falcon, Tandy and Dirtier Bird 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said: Does RG3 really count? He literally had all the talent knocked out of him by Spoon. Some of the concerns about him succeeding in NFL with out Running and athleticism turned out true. Brady and Manning came back from season ending injuries. Atl Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl Falcon Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, hollywood said: Vick, Eli, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford, Cam, Luck(maybe), Goff (Maybe), Wentz(Maybe), Mayfield (maybe), Murray, Burrow. Not bad Tim Mazetti and Sidecar Falcon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonOfThemBirds Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, falcons007 said: Some of the concerns about him succeeding in NFL with out Running and athleticism turned out true. Brady and Manning came back from season ending injuries. I know, just trying to be funny. RG3 hasn't been right though since that KO hit. You can tell that obviously damaged him mentally. falcons007, Dirtier Bird and 1989Fan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said: I know, just trying to be funny. RG3 hasn't been right though since that KO hit. You can tell that obviously damaged him mentally. Well, being great is physical and mental. He got physically healthy but couldn’t put it back together. DonOfThemBirds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonOfThemBirds Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, 1989Fan said: Well, being great is physical and mental. He got physically healthy but couldn’t put it back together. Yep, can't believe how bad he's become though. He isn't even a decent backup now. falcons007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, DonOfThemBirds said: Yep, can't believe how bad he's become though. He isn't even a decent backup now. I see Fields same way. I do think Lance/Jones will be Niners pick. DonOfThemBirds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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