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If TD would go QB, TF shouldn't go QB. Next!

Sounds like an ex girlfriend still all in your business 

I would do whatever hes not saying. That dude just no

4 hours ago, Geaux_Falcons said:

Let's be honest, he's always drafted for need. Even AJ, and to an extent, Oliver were needs. Ridley just so happens to be the only time he went away from needs and just took the BPA. I mean it wasn't like he was terrible drafting, but there were times he could've went BPA, and maybe came out further ahead.

Not typically 1st round and sometimes 2nd. After that I agree.

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2 hours ago, MSalmon said:

You’re comparing Alex Smith to Matt Ryan? Lol

Nothing more to add

Nah that's simple minded thinking. You're a better poster than that. 

It's comparing the thought process behind the move. 

It's ok to let a highly paid rookie sit for a year or two if you feel he can be a franchise guy for the next 15 years. Especially when the team isn't close to being a contender. 

This team isn't doing jack at all the next two years. Matt is already 36. How many QBs have played well into their late 30s and early 40s? You can count them on one hand and they're all better than Matt. 

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Thing about MR with a new offensive coach supposedly a guru Matt could reach new levels of success. Koetter was the worst move for the Falcons restricting the offense. Doubt he ever gets a coordinator job again. All this talk of Ryan having lost it could be hearsay if AS can turn the offense around. As bad as the Falcs were in red zone they lost a number of games by less than 7 pts.

I'm good either way. Will all have to trust what TF and AS do. I think it was Rich Eisen show any have been another where when Ozzie Newsome got to the Ravens he took Jonathan Igdrn and Ray Lewis in 1st. The owner wanted Lawrence Phillips.

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55 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said:

Nah that's simple minded thinking. You're a better poster than that. 

It's comparing the thought process behind the move. 

It's ok to let a highly paid rookie sit for a year or two if you feel he can be a franchise guy for the next 15 years. Especially when the team isn't close to being a contender. 

This team isn't doing jack at all the next two years. Matt is already 36. How many QBs have played well into their late 30s and early 40s? You can count them on one hand and they're all better than Matt. 

There is absolutely no indication that Matt Ryan has declined in physical ability.  He is a guy that maintains a healthy diet and exercise regimen.  He is a quiet family guy that has focus on his craft.  

He has at least four seasons of top performance in him.  There is no apparent need for a QB to step into this offense.  We can draft a developmental guy like Mills or Newman this draft and still be in a position to draft a QB in the first round in a year or two.  

Matt is boring, but he is good and he is efficient.  He, unlike any other QB with better production than him, has had to deal with a revolving door of OC's.  His offensive scheme has changed more often than any other QB that I can think of.  

I am sure that you have your reasons for not liking Matt.  That is OK, but predicting his demise so soon is simply not warranted.  

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13 hours ago, Bobby.Digital said:

Nah that's simple minded thinking. You're a better poster than that. 

It's comparing the thought process behind the move. 

It's ok to let a highly paid rookie sit for a year or two if you feel he can be a franchise guy for the next 15 years. Especially when the team isn't close to being a contender. 

This team isn't doing jack at all the next two years. Matt is already 36. How many QBs have played well into their late 30s and early 40s? You can count them on one hand and they're all better than Matt. 

:rolleyes:

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19 hours ago, gazoo said:

We should always listen to recommendations to build our team from the guy who just got fired who was responsible for building our team. 
 

Brilliant! 🤣

LOL....you were the biggest Dimitroff supporter on this messageboard.  You swallowed whole everything TD ever did.

Now just because what he says doesn’t align with what you want - you make fun of his point of view.

#hypocrisy 

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18 hours ago, ryanvalz said:

If TD wants Fields.... STAY  FAR FAR AWAY from Fields as possible!

Yeah you are right.  Dimitroff was terrible at top of draft taking a QB.

What a HUGE MISTAKE when he took Matt Ryan at #3 when every Falcon fan wanted that HOF Defensive Tackle Glen Dorsey!  He should have listened to you.

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1 hour ago, g-dawg said:

Yeah you are right.  Dimitroff was terrible at top of draft taking a QB.

What a HUGE MISTAKE when he took Matt Ryan at #3 when every Falcon fan wanted that HOF Defensive Tackle Glen Dorsey!  He should have listened to you.

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TD had his moments.  Continuity and poor communication of vision with the coaches ended him.

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35 minutes ago, Herr Doktor said:

TD had his moments.  Continuity and poor communication of vision with the coaches ended him.

Pretty much this. I also did not want TD necessarily to leave but I understand why.

It is still TBD what TF will do. If he can perform even if at odds with HC at times.

Anyone taking people’s words out of context to say someone is hypocritical is being pretentious and contentious.

Take note you people.

TD is gone. We aren’t trusting his words nearly as much as one would “hope” he knew what he was doing while here.

Don’t attack others by misrepresenting them. That’s disingenuous at best.

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The part of that that really pisses me off is apparently Dimitroff thought it was going to be optional which contracts we restructured in this offseason. Like it was a decision on Fontenot's part to restructure Ryan and not an absolute necessity given our salary cap situation when he took the job. Of course he'd rather take another quarterback or get a new weapon rather than protect the quarterback we've got or acquire more picks; his plan for building a contender has always started with the passing game. That's why we drafted Calvin Ridley in the first round even though he's probably never going to play for us in a playoff game, and traded a 2nd round pick for a tight end we've only got under contract for another year. This is a team built to outscore its opponents, and last year it pretty much only did that when the other team was badly hobbled by injuries in their secondary. But by God, Ryan didn't have to go a season without at least three high-end receivers to throw to at all times. 2019 was way too late for Dimitroff to *start* to figure out that he was putting the cart before the horse with the offense.

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18 hours ago, Bobby.Digital said:

Nah that's simple minded thinking. You're a better poster than that. 

It's comparing the thought process behind the move. 

It's ok to let a highly paid rookie sit for a year or two if you feel he can be a franchise guy for the next 15 years. Especially when the team isn't close to being a contender. 

This team isn't doing jack at all the next two years. Matt is already 36. How many QBs have played well into their late 30s and early 40s? You can count them on one hand and they're all better than Matt. 

Thanks, but let me ask you this. Why do you assume that this is the only QB class worth drafting in? If you accumulate future picks—obviously a 2022 and possible 2023 first round pick—if we trade down; we’d be able to draft a QB in next year’s draft if Matt declines, or the year after. 

Also, I’m not being simple minded. In fact, from a holistic perspective, Matt is far from ancient, has not began declining in production, is injury free and there are plenty of historical examples of QBs playing well past his age. 

Why not build a framework and foundation. Really build a defense and offense using the draft. If we are in such dire shape or not doing “jack” for the next two years, it’s a waste of a high round pick on a luxury item like a bench-warming QB that gets $32M and eats up even more salary cap from an offensive perspective. To quote FFS1970 “a shiny hood ornament.”

Rivers and Big Ben were better? Brady is. Brees was. But the list of better than Matt gets really short, if non-existent after Brady and Brees.

Now, if you just dislike Matt Ryan’s play, then i get it. Just say so.

You’re a much better poster than this.. 

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36 minutes ago, MSalmon said:

Thanks, but let me ask you this. Why do you assume that this is the only QB class worth drafting in? If you accumulate future picks—obviously a 2022 and possible 2023 first round pick—if we trade down; we’d be able to draft a QB in next year’s draft if Matt declines, or the year after. 

What's the point of trading down for draft capital in 21 only to use that capital to trade back up for a QB next year when you can just draft one with one pick this year(providing you like a QB at 4). It sounds like the same picks you want to use to build a team around Matt is the same picks you want to use to trade up for a QB in 22 or 23. Its gonna take multiple 1sts and other picks to trade up. And if you you take a QB at 4, wouldn't that leave 8 picks in round 2-6 to build?

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3 minutes ago, FentayeJones said:

What's the point of trading down for draft capital in 21 only to use that capital to trade back up for a QB next year when you can just draft one with one pick this year(providing you like a QB at 4). It sounds like the same picks you want to use to build a team around Matt is the same picks you want to use to trade up for a QB in 22 or 23. Its gonna take multiple 1sts and other picks to trade up. And if you you take a QB at 4, wouldn't that leave 8 picks in round 2-6 to build?

You can build a team that can contribute. The picks are not for Matt or new QB. There is nothing wrong with strengthening the team in 2021 and that same team will play with a rookie QB or new QB.

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37 minutes ago, MSalmon said:

Thanks, but let me ask you this. Why do you assume that this is the only QB class worth drafting in? If you accumulate future picks—obviously a 2022 and possible 2023 first round pick—if we trade down; we’d be able to draft a QB in next year’s draft if Matt declines, or the year after. 

Also, I’m not being simple minded. In fact, from a holistic perspective, Matt is far from ancient, has not began declining in production, is injury free and there are plenty of historical examples of QBs playing well past his age. 

Why not build a framework and foundation. Really build a defense and offense using the draft. If we are in such dire shape or not doing “jack” for the next two years, it’s a waste of a high round pick on a luxury item like a bench-warming QB that gets $32M and eats up even more salary cap from an offensive perspective. To quote FFS1970 “a shiny hood ornament.”

Rivers and Big Ben were better? Brady is. Brees was. But the list of better than Matt gets really short, if non-existent after Brady and Brees.

Now, if you just dislike Matt Ryan’s play, then i get it. Just say so.

You’re a much better poster than this.. 

Who said this is the only class worth drafting in? 

Obviously over the next couple years there will be a few good QB prospects we like. Who's to say we will be in position to draft them or even be able to trade up for them? Just look at this draft, the Jags aren't trading #1 and the Jets are trading #2. It's not that often that there's a stacked QB class like this one where there's legitimate 5 top 10 QB prospects where you could trade up for one of them. Even if there is a trade to be made, the haul it takes is massive. You're essentially trading all the capital you'd get from this years trade down + future picks to make that trade. 

If you like a QB at 4 why not just take him now. That way you're not relying on anything outside of your control and it would probably cost you less assets. To say that QB would be a "luxury" pick is hilarious. How is it a luxury? It would be no more of a luxury than the Chiefs taking Mahomes or the Ravens taking Lamar. You're locking down the most important position BY FAR for the next 15 years while giving your future franchise QB the time to learn and put him in the best position to be the best he can be. 

You can build a framework for this QB with all the other picks and cap space coming available over the next couple years.

If you choose to go the route like the Colts where you build a really good team first before you get your QB you usually put yourself out of position of drafting or trading up (unless you give up something ridiculous) for a good QB prospect you like, so you're reliant on trading for someone like Wentz, giving up multiple 1sts for someone like Stafford, or signing an old and declining QB like Rivers. 

When it comes to Matt, he's still a top 10 QB (backend) at this point in his career, however the list of QBs playing top 10 level over the age of 38 is basically Brady, Brees, Big Ben and Manning. Rivers was not a QB you want leading your team after the age of 37. Farve had one anomaly year at the age of 40 but was pretty bad the year after and the 5 years before. Manning declined hard in his age 39 season. Even Big Ben declined a lot over the second half of this season. Shoot even Brees has left a lot of throws on the field with his declining arm strength. The Saints had an amazing opportunity to draft a franchise QB in Lamar but passed for whatever reason, that move could have left their window open for the next 10+ years but now that window is pretty much shut. 

What's also not taken into account is that the QB we draft this year could very well be better than Matt as early as year 2. Look how fast Watson, Mahomes and Lamar Jackson came onto the scene. Fields and Lance have that upside.

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