BLM 242 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts at 4th, this regime is already doomed. While I am in the camp that would like to see us draft Fields or Lance and ideally Fields, with Ryan's restructure, it just doesn't completely make sense to draft a QB. So I am open to drafting at another position. But a TE? Come on man! I don't care how good a TE is, a TE is not worth more than a WR. Just look at player salaries. The top WRs earn about $10M more than TEs. There is 0, I mean 0, justification to draft a TE when you can grab someone like Chase, Waddle or Smith. 0 rationale. A 3rd WR can run routes in the middle and can run any route a TE can. Just look at the Rams and their 3 WR set. Or the Packers. Many good offenses don't have a dominant TE but instead know how to get a 3rd WR involved. And with Julio Jones imminent retirement, a WR just makes sense. TEs are like RBs. Only transcendent players are worth a 1st rounder. Top talents should only be had in the early second round. Additionally, TEs take a while to develop. I am talking 2 or 3 years. WRs can make an impact in their first year. Just look at the TEs drafted in the 1st, and their production in the first few years. Noah Fant, Evan Engram, OJ Howard, Hayden Hurst, etc... All of these guys have had more hype than production. Unless Pitts is a transcendent TE, there is absolutely 0 reason to draft him in the first round. 0. If we restructure Ryan, that means our goal is to win now. Drafting a TE in the first is NOT a win now move. It's bad if you commit to Ryan, won't draft a QB, but instead end up drafting a TE, which basically suggests that you are still looking to win 3 years out as opposed to today, but choose a position of MUCH LESS importance. If we need more weapons on offense, WR is the only choice if the goal is to win now. And guess what, Pitts is NOT a transcendent TE. Do you know why that is? Well, a TE is a TE because a TE can block. Pitts cannot block. Read any scouting report, and it'll say that Pitts has issues in pass protection. He is just ok at run blocking. What this means is that Pitts is a large sized, glorified WR, and not a true TE. Why draft a large WR, when you can draft an actual WR? An actual WR will be much better at catching, route running, and gaining separation. It's one thing if Pitts blocking ability makes up for not having elite route running. But Pitts doesn't have that blocking ability. If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts in the 1st, that along with hiring Chicago Bears OC and QB coaches (Bears have yet to develop a QB or run any sort of creative offense), along with Blank/McKay only planning to hire a coach that was willing to keep Ryan around (despite their misleading public statements), are already laying the groundwork for another average 5 years before we inevitably find another new coaching regime. Edited April 7 by BLM Beef, NorthGaBoy, A Dog Named Brian and 32 others 2 33 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Jesus 27,525 Posted April 7 Popular Post Share Posted April 7 But... What if you are wrong? Colbeee, Falcons_Frenzy, CADirtyBird and 33 others 12 24 Link to post Share on other sites
abcranford2 2,235 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Just now, BLM said: If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts at 4th, this regime is already doomed. While I am in the camp that would like to see us draft Fields or Lance and ideally Fields, with Ryan's restructure, it just doesn't completely make sense to draft a QB. So I am open to drafting at another position. But a TE? Come on man! I don't care how good a TE is, a TE is not worth more than a WR. Just look at player salaries. The top WRs earn about $10M more than TEs. There is 0, I mean 0, justification to draft a TE when you can grab someone like Chase, Waddle or Smith. 0 rationale. A 3rd WR can run routes in the middle and can run any route a TE can. Just look at the Rams and their 3 WR set. Or the Packers. Many good offenses don't have a dominant TE but instead know how to get a 3rd WR involved. And with Julio Jones imminent retirement, a WR just makes sense. TEs are like RBs. Only transcendent players are worth a 1st rounder. Top talents should only be had in the early second round. Additionally, TEs take a while to develop. I am talking 2 or 3 years. WRs can make an impact in their first year. Just look at the TEs drafted in the 1st, and their production in the first few years. Noah Fant, Evan Engram, OJ Howard, Hayden Hurst, etc... All of these guys have had more hype than production. Unless Pitts is a transcendent TE, there is absolutely 0 reason to draft in him the first round. 0. If we restructure Ryan, that means our goal is to win now. Drafting a TE in the first is NOT a win now move. And guess what, Pitts is NOT a transcendent TE. Do you know why that is? Well, a TE is a TE because a TE can block. Pitts cannot block. Read any scouting report, and it'll say that Pitts has issues in pass protection. He is just ok at run blocking. What this means is that Pitts is a large sized, glorified WR, and not a true TE. Why draft a large WR, when you can draft an actual WR? If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts in the 1st, that along with hiring Chicago Bears OC and QB coaches (Bears have yet to develop a QB or run any sort of creative offense), along with Blank/McKay only planning to hire a coach that was willing to keep Ryan around (despite their misleading public statements), are already laying the groundwork for another average 5 years before we inevitably find another new coaching regime. disagree that a great TE isn't worth as much as a wr. I'd take Travis Kelce over just about any wr. And the fact that they don't cost as much makes them even more valuable. FalconDiddly18, Stryka, Boise Falcon Fan and 22 others 19 6 Link to post Share on other sites
xianshino 165 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 They aren't drafting a TE at 4. They will either take a QB or trade down with Denver, Detroit, or New England. Ideally we trade with Denver and still get Pitts at #9 WhenFalconsWin 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Precyse 1,767 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 What if you can turn that TE into a receiver? RookieBird, Herr Doktor and Ergo Proxy 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites
BLM 242 Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 (edited) 1 minute ago, abcranford2 said: disagree that a great TE isn't worth as much as a wr. I'd take Travis Kelce over just about any wr. And the fact that they don't cost as much makes them even more valuable. Yes, that's very true. QBs paid most because QBs most valuable. The market is how it is, based on the value of a position to the team. And you picked the only 1 TE out of many that does well. Kelce wasn't even drafted in the 1st. Pitts is no Kelce. Kelce can catch and block. The comparisons are nonsense. Every 1st round TE has been over hyped and under performed. Edited April 7 by BLM Link to post Share on other sites
BLM 242 Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 Just now, Precyse said: What if you can turn that TE into a receiver? Why woudl you do that when you can just draft a WR? 1989Fan, campdirtybirdz, 804_Falconfan and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post falcons007 25,981 Posted April 7 Popular Post Share Posted April 7 I wasn't sure about Pitts. After reading this post, I am convinced he should be the guy at #4. Drunken Minotaur Zebra, RetroRoq, CADirtyBird and 32 others 7 3 25 Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 16,193 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 The te position has evolved just like you jabronis constantly talk about the qb position evolving. This isn't the 90s anymore. The te position is used to create constant mismatches because they have to be covered by a safety or a lb. You're just butthurt because we aren't drafting a qb Boise Falcon Fan, papachaz, Knight of God and 12 others 7 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Precyse 1,767 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 minutes ago, BLM said: Why woudl you do that when you can just draft a WR? Because you can put him back at TE and beat linebackers anytime celtiksage, nomak, Knight of God and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BLM 242 Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 (edited) 3 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: The te position has evolved just like you jabronis constantly talk about the qb position evolving. This isn't the 90s anymore. The te position is used to create constant mismatches because they have to be covered by a safety or a lb. You're just butthurt because we aren't drafting a qb How about you tell me which TE drafted in the 1 in recent years was worth being drafted in 1. Speak with facts, not with emotion. WRs >>>> TEs. WRs can run routes in the middle of the field too. Pitts can't block. He's a poor man's WR. Edited April 7 by BLM Beef, A Dog Named Brian and TheRisen999 3 Link to post Share on other sites
BLM 242 Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, Precyse said: Because you can put him back at TE and beat linebackers anytime Tell that to the many other 1st round TEs that were supposed to do that as well. Not to mention, TEs take 2-3 years to develop. Link to post Share on other sites
Aluminafalcon 370 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Completely right if we are get a receiver we need someone who dominated the SEC. made first round corners look like third rate rate chums. Somebody who the only way nick Saban could think to slow him down was defensive holding on every play. That’s the kind of person we need to replace an aging Julio and the possibility of either Ridley or hurst going else where. Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 69,361 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Night 1 is shaping up to be an amazing one Herr Doktor, Boise Falcon Fan, papachaz and 15 others 8 10 Link to post Share on other sites
BLM 242 Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 You're not a TE, if you can't block - FACT. Geaux_Falcons, wuskillzz, A Dog Named Brian and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites
BLM 242 Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 (edited) 1 minute ago, Aluminafalcon said: Completely right if we are get a receiver we need someone who dominated the SEC. made first round corners look like third rate rate chums. Somebody who the only way nick Saban could think to slow him down was defensive holding on every play. That’s the kind of person we need to replace an aging Julio and the possibility of either Ridley or hurst going else where. It makes 0 sense to draft TE when top WRs on the board. If Pitts is at the top of the second, by all means draft him. But h'es not even a complete player at his true position. He can't block. He can' catch, but so can WRs. Not to mention, Falcons being win now, TEs don't start making impact uuntil 2-3 years from now... Edited April 7 by BLM Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 25,981 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 minute ago, BLM said: You're not a TE, if you can't block - FACT. You don't need to add fact, if it was a fact. You don't say "Water is wet - FACT" AUTiger7222, RookieBird, TheRisen999 and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 69,361 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 minute ago, BLM said: You're not a TE, if you can't block - FACT. Tony Gonzalez would like to have a word with you. Shannon Sharpe too Aluminafalcon, Boise Falcon Fan, Pacific_Falcon and 14 others 10 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites
xianshino 165 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Why don't you give the new regime a chance? I have full confidence in whatever direction they choose to go. Let's just all be glad Dan Quinn was fast and physical getting out the door here.. celtiksage, TheRisen999, Pacific_Falcon and 6 others 4 5 Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 16,193 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 5 minutes ago, BLM said: How about you tell me which TE drafted in the 1 in recent years was worth being drafted in 1. Speak with facts, not with emotion. WRs >>>> TEs. WRs can run routes in the middle of the field too. Pitts can't block. He's a poor man's WR. How many top 5 wrs have busted? Great argument. wuskillzz 1 Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 25,981 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Tony Gonzalez would like to have a word with you. Shannon Sharpe too They are not TE- FACT AUTiger7222, Herr Doktor, RookieBird and 4 others 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Dem Birds 11,024 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Yeah, taking the best player in the draft not named Trevor Lawrence (which is debatable) would be a big mistake. wuskillzz, Artys Arryn, Aluminafalcon and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Aluminafalcon 370 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: How many top 5 wrs have busted? Great argument. Sheesh.how many top ten wide receivers on the lions alone have busted Herr Doktor, RookieBird and wuskillzz 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
abcranford2 2,235 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 14 minutes ago, BLM said: Yes, that's very true. QBs paid most because QBs most valuable. The market is how it is, based on the value of a position to the team. And you picked the only 1 TE out of many that does well. Kelce wasn't even drafted in the 1st. Pitts is no Kelce. Kelce can catch and block. The comparisons are nonsense. Every 1st round TE has been over hyped and under performed. That's the same argument people have for qb's...Most qb's drafted in the top 5 aren't that good and almost all of them have under performed. ATLSlobberKnockers and Aluminafalcon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
abcranford2 2,235 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 16 minutes ago, BLM said: Yes, that's very true. QBs paid most because QBs most valuable. The market is how it is, based on the value of a position to the team. And you picked the only 1 TE out of many that does well. Kelce wasn't even drafted in the 1st. Pitts is no Kelce. Kelce can catch and block. The comparisons are nonsense. Every 1st round TE has been over hyped and under performed. Also, Pitts can catch and block too so.... Aluminafalcon and ATLSlobberKnockers 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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