BLM Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts at 4th, this regime is already doomed. While I am in the camp that would like to see us draft Fields or Lance and ideally Fields, with Ryan's restructure, it just doesn't completely make sense to draft a QB. So I am open to drafting at another position. But a TE? Come on man! I don't care how good a TE is, a TE is not worth more than a WR. Just look at player salaries. The top WRs earn about $10M more than TEs. There is 0, I mean 0, justification to draft a TE when you can grab someone like Chase, Waddle or Smith. 0 rationale. A 3rd WR can run routes in the middle and can run any route a TE can. Just look at the Rams and their 3 WR set. Or the Packers. Many good offenses don't have a dominant TE but instead know how to get a 3rd WR involved. And with Julio Jones imminent retirement, a WR just makes sense. TEs are like RBs. Only transcendent players are worth a 1st rounder. Top talents should only be had in the early second round. Additionally, TEs take a while to develop. I am talking 2 or 3 years. WRs can make an impact in their first year. Just look at the TEs drafted in the 1st, and their production in the first few years. Noah Fant, Evan Engram, OJ Howard, Hayden Hurst, etc... All of these guys have had more hype than production. Unless Pitts is a transcendent TE, there is absolutely 0 reason to draft him in the first round. 0. If we restructure Ryan, that means our goal is to win now. Drafting a TE in the first is NOT a win now move. It's bad if you commit to Ryan, won't draft a QB, but instead end up drafting a TE, which basically suggests that you are still looking to win 3 years out as opposed to today, but choose a position of MUCH LESS importance. If we need more weapons on offense, WR is the only choice if the goal is to win now. And guess what, Pitts is NOT a transcendent TE. Do you know why that is? Well, a TE is a TE because a TE can block. Pitts cannot block. Read any scouting report, and it'll say that Pitts has issues in pass protection. He is just ok at run blocking. What this means is that Pitts is a large sized, glorified WR, and not a true TE. Why draft a large WR, when you can draft an actual WR? An actual WR will be much better at catching, route running, and gaining separation. It's one thing if Pitts blocking ability makes up for not having elite route running. But Pitts doesn't have that blocking ability. If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts in the 1st, that along with hiring Chicago Bears OC and QB coaches (Bears have yet to develop a QB or run any sort of creative offense), along with Blank/McKay only planning to hire a coach that was willing to keep Ryan around (despite their misleading public statements), are already laying the groundwork for another average 5 years before we inevitably find another new coaching regime. Edited April 7, 2021 by BLM Colbeee, WisFalcon, octoslash and 32 others 2 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jesus Posted April 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2021 But... What if you are wrong? IronHead34, GrimeyKidd, etherdome and 33 others 12 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, BLM said: If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts at 4th, this regime is already doomed. While I am in the camp that would like to see us draft Fields or Lance and ideally Fields, with Ryan's restructure, it just doesn't completely make sense to draft a QB. So I am open to drafting at another position. But a TE? Come on man! I don't care how good a TE is, a TE is not worth more than a WR. Just look at player salaries. The top WRs earn about $10M more than TEs. There is 0, I mean 0, justification to draft a TE when you can grab someone like Chase, Waddle or Smith. 0 rationale. A 3rd WR can run routes in the middle and can run any route a TE can. Just look at the Rams and their 3 WR set. Or the Packers. Many good offenses don't have a dominant TE but instead know how to get a 3rd WR involved. And with Julio Jones imminent retirement, a WR just makes sense. TEs are like RBs. Only transcendent players are worth a 1st rounder. Top talents should only be had in the early second round. Additionally, TEs take a while to develop. I am talking 2 or 3 years. WRs can make an impact in their first year. Just look at the TEs drafted in the 1st, and their production in the first few years. Noah Fant, Evan Engram, OJ Howard, Hayden Hurst, etc... All of these guys have had more hype than production. Unless Pitts is a transcendent TE, there is absolutely 0 reason to draft in him the first round. 0. If we restructure Ryan, that means our goal is to win now. Drafting a TE in the first is NOT a win now move. And guess what, Pitts is NOT a transcendent TE. Do you know why that is? Well, a TE is a TE because a TE can block. Pitts cannot block. Read any scouting report, and it'll say that Pitts has issues in pass protection. He is just ok at run blocking. What this means is that Pitts is a large sized, glorified WR, and not a true TE. Why draft a large WR, when you can draft an actual WR? If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts in the 1st, that along with hiring Chicago Bears OC and QB coaches (Bears have yet to develop a QB or run any sort of creative offense), along with Blank/McKay only planning to hire a coach that was willing to keep Ryan around (despite their misleading public statements), are already laying the groundwork for another average 5 years before we inevitably find another new coaching regime. disagree that a great TE isn't worth as much as a wr. I'd take Travis Kelce over just about any wr. And the fact that they don't cost as much makes them even more valuable. MD-FalconFan13, WisFalcon, wuskillzz and 22 others 19 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xianshino Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 They aren't drafting a TE at 4. They will either take a QB or trade down with Denver, Detroit, or New England. Ideally we trade with Denver and still get Pitts at #9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precyse Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 What if you can turn that TE into a receiver? Herr Doktor, Ergo Proxy and RookieBird 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLM Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, abcranford2 said: disagree that a great TE isn't worth as much as a wr. I'd take Travis Kelce over just about any wr. And the fact that they don't cost as much makes them even more valuable. Yes, that's very true. QBs paid most because QBs most valuable. The market is how it is, based on the value of a position to the team. And you picked the only 1 TE out of many that does well. Kelce wasn't even drafted in the 1st. Pitts is no Kelce. Kelce can catch and block. The comparisons are nonsense. Every 1st round TE has been over hyped and under performed. Edited April 7, 2021 by BLM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLM Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, Precyse said: What if you can turn that TE into a receiver? Why woudl you do that when you can just draft a WR? 804_Falconfan, campdirtybirdz, 1989Fan and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post falcons007 Posted April 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2021 I wasn't sure about Pitts. After reading this post, I am convinced he should be the guy at #4. campdirtybirdz, Herr Doktor, Vandy and 31 others 7 3 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 The te position has evolved just like you jabronis constantly talk about the qb position evolving. This isn't the 90s anymore. The te position is used to create constant mismatches because they have to be covered by a safety or a lb. You're just butthurt because we aren't drafting a qb Boise Falcon Fan, Herr Doktor, A Dog Named Brian and 12 others 7 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precyse Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, BLM said: Why woudl you do that when you can just draft a WR? Because you can put him back at TE and beat linebackers anytime Knight of God, celtiksage, me4falcons and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLM Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: The te position has evolved just like you jabronis constantly talk about the qb position evolving. This isn't the 90s anymore. The te position is used to create constant mismatches because they have to be covered by a safety or a lb. You're just butthurt because we aren't drafting a qb How about you tell me which TE drafted in the 1 in recent years was worth being drafted in 1. Speak with facts, not with emotion. WRs >>>> TEs. WRs can run routes in the middle of the field too. Pitts can't block. He's a poor man's WR. Edited April 7, 2021 by BLM TheRisen999, Beef and A Dog Named Brian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLM Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Precyse said: Because you can put him back at TE and beat linebackers anytime Tell that to the many other 1st round TEs that were supposed to do that as well. Not to mention, TEs take 2-3 years to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminafalcon Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Completely right if we are get a receiver we need someone who dominated the SEC. made first round corners look like third rate rate chums. Somebody who the only way nick Saban could think to slow him down was defensive holding on every play. That’s the kind of person we need to replace an aging Julio and the possibility of either Ridley or hurst going else where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Night 1 is shaping up to be an amazing one Boise Falcon Fan, Geneaut, HASHBROWN3 and 15 others 8 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLM Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 You're not a TE, if you can't block - FACT. Geaux_Falcons, A Dog Named Brian, wuskillzz and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLM Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Aluminafalcon said: Completely right if we are get a receiver we need someone who dominated the SEC. made first round corners look like third rate rate chums. Somebody who the only way nick Saban could think to slow him down was defensive holding on every play. That’s the kind of person we need to replace an aging Julio and the possibility of either Ridley or hurst going else where. It makes 0 sense to draft TE when top WRs on the board. If Pitts is at the top of the second, by all means draft him. But h'es not even a complete player at his true position. He can't block. He can' catch, but so can WRs. Not to mention, Falcons being win now, TEs don't start making impact uuntil 2-3 years from now... Edited April 7, 2021 by BLM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 minute ago, BLM said: You're not a TE, if you can't block - FACT. You don't need to add fact, if it was a fact. You don't say "Water is wet - FACT" AUTiger7222, Boise Falcon Fan, RookieBird and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 minute ago, BLM said: You're not a TE, if you can't block - FACT. Tony Gonzalez would like to have a word with you. Shannon Sharpe too Pacific_Falcon, ATLSlobberKnockers, Aluminafalcon and 14 others 10 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xianshino Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Why don't you give the new regime a chance? I have full confidence in whatever direction they choose to go. Let's just all be glad Dan Quinn was fast and physical getting out the door here.. PokerSteve, papachaz, Herr Doktor and 6 others 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, BLM said: How about you tell me which TE drafted in the 1 in recent years was worth being drafted in 1. Speak with facts, not with emotion. WRs >>>> TEs. WRs can run routes in the middle of the field too. Pitts can't block. He's a poor man's WR. How many top 5 wrs have busted? Great argument. wuskillzz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Tony Gonzalez would like to have a word with you. Shannon Sharpe too They are not TE- FACT RookieBird, Aluminafalcon, AUTiger7222 and 4 others 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Yeah, taking the best player in the draft not named Trevor Lawrence (which is debatable) would be a big mistake. Herr Doktor, Aluminafalcon, Artys Arryn and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminafalcon Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 minute ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: How many top 5 wrs have busted? Great argument. Sheesh.how many top ten wide receivers on the lions alone have busted Herr Doktor, wuskillzz and RookieBird 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, BLM said: Yes, that's very true. QBs paid most because QBs most valuable. The market is how it is, based on the value of a position to the team. And you picked the only 1 TE out of many that does well. Kelce wasn't even drafted in the 1st. Pitts is no Kelce. Kelce can catch and block. The comparisons are nonsense. Every 1st round TE has been over hyped and under performed. That's the same argument people have for qb's...Most qb's drafted in the top 5 aren't that good and almost all of them have under performed. ATLSlobberKnockers and Aluminafalcon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, BLM said: Yes, that's very true. QBs paid most because QBs most valuable. The market is how it is, based on the value of a position to the team. And you picked the only 1 TE out of many that does well. Kelce wasn't even drafted in the 1st. Pitts is no Kelce. Kelce can catch and block. The comparisons are nonsense. Every 1st round TE has been over hyped and under performed. Also, Pitts can catch and block too so.... Aluminafalcon and ATLSlobberKnockers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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