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Both ourselves and the Bengals are going to get a kings ransom and the first 5 picks will be QBs supply and demand.  Strong and incredibly top heavy QB class in a passing era when league wide QB play has been not so great for a lot of teams.  Lots of people need QBs only a few available combined with the fact that their isn't any real secondary options in this QB class no round 2 Jalen Hurts style prospects to "fall back on"  no Jacob Eason big talent low production guys in this class to build up over time. Their may be 5 QBs in the first 5 picks and then none taken till late round 3 or round 4 this is a very rare board and a great opportunity for us to extort a bunch of picks out of a needy team.  Trade down for an absolute dream value

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There are teams who think they are in win now mode and only a QB away with coaches and GMs fighting for their jobs and will be desperate to pay the price to move up to save their jobs.  We have to take advantage of that.  We need depth, we need cheap players and we need defense really bad.  Lot of good defensive players in this draft, it’s not strong at the top but it’s fairly deep depending on position.  Let someone overpay for their QB, we can get a ton of defensive talent this year and start rebuilding that way.  

Build a strong team over the next two years and maybe make a run.  If not, then go get your QB of the future and drop them into a strong wholistic team on both sides of the ball and have four years of a cheap contract with them to surround with even more talent in free agency.  The worst thing we can do to a rookie QB is to make them try to do what we asked Ryan to do the last 13 years, carry a team on your back with next to no help from your defense.  That’s my dream scenario, can’t wait to see what happens.

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This first pick/move for Fontenot will be a huge litmus test and will be more scrutinized as it will be his first pick as a GM. If he does decide to trade down with a Pitts, Chase, Sewell, or Fields on the board, I trust he will have the utmost confidence on the player he drafts and the compensation we get from that trade. Pitts, Chase, and Sewell in my opinion are all drafting softballs with a low chance of busting on the NFL level

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1 hour ago, JAxxSmooth said:

I'm all for trading down.  Get an additional 2nd or 3rd and some draft capital for next year.

And don't forget we would get their first rd pick also.. That is the most important one of what we would get.

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19 minutes ago, Rings said:

There are teams who think they are in win now mode and only a QB away with coaches and GMs fighting for their jobs and will be desperate to pay the price to move up to save their jobs.  We have to take advantage of that.  We need depth, we need cheap players and we need defense really bad.  Lot of good defensive players in this draft, it’s not strong at the top but it’s fairly deep depending on position.  Let someone overpay for their QB, we can get a ton of defensive talent this year and start rebuilding that way.  

Build a strong team over the next two years and maybe make a run.  If not, then go get your QB of the future and drop them into a strong wholistic team on both sides of the ball and have four years of a cheap contract with them to surround with even more talent in free agency.  That’s my dream scenario, can’t wait to see what happens.

This is the exact same way I feel. You have to take advantage of the opportunities that are available To you regardless of what they are.

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3 minutes ago, KCFalcon22 said:

I wouldn't be against trading down within the top 10 and hoping Pitts is still there when we pick.

I think that is more viable than some people think.

You gotta figure that if we did trade out of the 4th slot then then top 4 picks are qbs,

And carolina at 8 is probably good for the 5th of the supposed first round qbs.

So let's say we trade back to 9...with the assumption that 5 of the preceding 8 being QB's.

I think the Bangles go Chase to reunite with Burrow.

I think the Phins would the team most likely to pick him.

The lions need oline help as well so if Pitts does not make it to 9 ,then we would still have our pick of the defensive players.

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16 minutes ago, Rings said:

There are teams who think they are in win now mode and only a QB away with coaches and GMs fighting for their jobs and will be desperate to pay the price to move up to save their jobs.  We have to take advantage of that.  We need depth, we need cheap players and we need defense really bad.  Lot of good defensive players in this draft, it’s not strong at the top but it’s fairly deep depending on position.  Let someone overpay for their QB, we can get a ton of defensive talent this year and start rebuilding that way.  

Build a strong team over the next two years and maybe make a run.  If not, then go get your QB of the future and drop them into a strong wholistic team on both sides of the ball and have four years of a cheap contract with them to surround with even more talent in free agency.  The worst thing we can do to a rookie QB is to make them try to do what we asked Ryan to do the last 13 years, carry a team on your back with next to no help from your defense.  That’s my dream scenario, can’t wait to see what happens.

Agree but you just don’t go out and get your QB of the future when the rest of the team is perfectly built. It’s not always that easy. A lot of luck is involved and sometimes it’s bad luck. Finding a true franchise QB can be a hard find and you’re not winning aSB without one. It’s kind of a catch 22. Passing on one now could come back to haunt you. It works both ways

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Trade down with Detroit to me is the best trade scenario, we get extra early round picks still, and we still have a chance at Pitts. Miami may have their eyes on a WR; This is the only team we have to worry about if we solely have our eyes on Pitts. Having two early round 2nd picks mean that we can get an RB and a back up QB and after that we can focus on the defensive side of the ball. This will be fun.

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44 minutes ago, Monolith2001 said:

While I believe the best value by far is trading down, we literally could pick pretty much any really good player at #4 and be justified.  If TF asked me, I would want every guy we get in the first 3 rounds to be an impact player in 2021.

That's all you can realistically ask.

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6 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

I put this in the same box as the Mort talk about scouting QBs. If they aren’t entertaining trade offers for no 4, TF isn’t doing his job. So of course they’re doing that. 

Yeah....chalk it up to " Water is wet"

 

Every team at the top of the draft always entertains offers... I'm sure the jaguars entertained multiple offers for the number one pick but unless they're getting a Herschel Walker type deal I doubt they will trade it 

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24 minutes ago, Atl Falcon said:

Agree but you just don’t go out and get your QB of the future when the rest of the team is perfectly built. It’s not always that easy. A lot of luck is involved and sometimes it’s bad luck. Finding a true franchise QB can be a hard find and you’re not winning aSB without one. It’s kind of a catch 22. Passing on one now could come back to haunt you. It works both ways

Picking one top five doesn’t even increase your chances of them being good though, giving them a better team around them does.  Also if this QB is going to sit for a year or two, you’ve wasted half of their rookie contract before you even know if they are worth building around.

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30 minutes ago, 408Falcon said:

It's Pitts, Trade down or bust for me lol

I love me some Pitts,, But I actually rather us take the  two DEs in this draft with our first two picks after a trade down.. There is another TE almost the exact size and production ,  Tony Poljan He's 6'7" 275 lbs.  14 TDs in the last 3 years.. He Should go and is ranked to go in the 5th round. I'd love for us to build a Sack Machine with the D# and built a O# with building a wall of the best OL in the league.. Fix the lines on both sides and it will happen.  We have so much in place.. if we can add the best draft in the history of this Team .. We'll be on our way to the playoffs..  It's all about having the right Coaches, And I think we may have finally gotten the right people and Coaches to realize who we need to draft.. If they draft right.. WE'll be in the playoffs at the end of the 2021 season.  

1. WE have the right owner.. 

2. We now have the right Coaches ...

3. And I believe we will draft the right players because the New Coaches know exactly what they want this team to be and they know the type players they need to run the "Smith and Fount"  NFL system ...  

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36 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

Yeah....chalk it up to " Water is wet"

 

Every team at the top of the draft always entertains offers... I'm sure the jaguars entertained multiple offers for the number one pick but unless they're getting a Herschel Walker type deal I doubt they will trade it 

Thing is, I'd love for us to trade down if it's a king's ransom of picks.  So I want it to be true.  But when I look at it objectively, it's like "really?  No kidding?  They're fielding phone calls from teams that might want to trade up to 4 in the draft?  Next you'll tell me they're having discussions about salary cap issues and what our draft strategy should be."

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59 minutes ago, Rings said:

Picking one top five doesn’t even increase your chances of them being good though, giving them a better team around them does.  Also if this QB is going to sit for a year or two, you’ve wasted half of their rookie contract before you even know if they are worth building around.

You’re right but picking one in the second round or any other round for that matter definitely doesn’t increase your chances of finding a good one. I’d even wager my chances of picking one in the top five vs someone who picks later on in the draft. OTs CBs RBs DEs other can bust just as quick as a QB. It’s all about TFs plan and vision and that’s who’ll I trust until he proves otherwise. Great QBs don’t fall off trees.....ask the Bills, Dolphins and many other teams. John Elway lost his job because he couldn’t find one. He got all the other parts and built a heck of a team but simple couldn’t win without a franchise QB. The NFL is a copycat league and teams want the mobile big arm QB that can extend plays and the playbook. That’s where the NFL is going and that’s why it’s a tuff call for TF. 

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1 hour ago, JDaveG said:

Thing is, I'd love for us to trade down if it's a king's ransom of picks.  So I want it to be true.  But when I look at it objectively, it's like "really?  No kidding?  They're fielding phone calls from teams that might want to trade up to 4 in the draft?  Next you'll tell me they're having discussions about salary cap issues and what our draft strategy should be."

Yeah, that's the thing... if they are not exploring every possibility then shame on them. Most every team should be having trade up/trade down conversations. Even TD, (Mr. Trade up) always said he had trade back conversations with teams. 

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2 hours ago, Draftnut57 said:

I love me some Pitts,, But I actually rather us take the  two DEs in this draft with our first two picks after a trade down.. There is another TE almost the exact size and production ,  Tony Poljan He's 6'7" 275 lbs.  14 TDs in the last 3 years.. He Should go and is ranked to go in the 5th round. I'd love for us to build a Sack Machine with the D# and built a O# with building a wall of the best OL in the league.. Fix the lines on both sides and it will happen.  We have so much in place.. if we can add the best draft in the history of this Team .. We'll be on our way to the playoffs..  It's all about having the right Coaches, And I think we may have finally gotten the right people and Coaches to realize who we need to draft.. If they draft right.. WE'll be in the playoffs at the end of the 2021 season.  

1. WE have the right owner.. 

2. We now have the right Coaches ...

3. And I believe we will draft the right players because the New Coaches know exactly what they want this team to be and they know the type players they need to run the "Smith and Fount"  NFL system ...  

Well let's not pretend we're talking about the same sort of TE here.  Similar size is about it with Poljan & even there he is much lighter & an inch shorter.  I like this big kid, but he ain't in the same league brother.  

You also mention that it's an all or nothing trade off to get some DE pass rush help.  If we go Pitts, we can still trade back or get some real talent at that position 2-7.   

I refuse to set my mind on a certain expectation or outcome in this draft & I sure hope our GM & HC don't either.  Anything can happen right up to our pick at 4.  I have no doubt we've taken quite a few calls in recent weeks & it's going to be even more busy in the next few weeks.  

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