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5 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

I mean it is possible but Smith has. 3 year contract but he is going to spend his first pick is going to be a guy who is not going contribute for 2 years and it is going to be by design??

 

 

It’s possibility but what are the odds? Lot of smoke comes out at this time.. 

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20 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Exactly. These dudes are getting bad info and also just hedging their bets because the football world seems to think the Falcons need to replace Ryan and they think that getting that one wrong isn't as bad as getting some ridiculous pick wrong. They also tend to put out multiple predictions and they'll probably get one of them right

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2 hours ago, falcons007 said:

This is gold from 2018. Peter King had Browns going Sam Darnold according to his well connected source in the Browns organization. 
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/23/mock-draft-prospects-trades-first-round-mmqb-peter-king

Josh Rosen to Jets and Mayfield to Arizona. 
 

Darnold to the Browns was really the plan for a large chunk of the process. If that happened then the other 2 situations were definitely possible.

 

https://www.cantonrep.com/sports/20180430/browns-draft-one-of-dorseys-right-hand-men-explains-flip-from-darnold

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6 hours ago, The Architect said:

Darnold to the Browns was really the plan for a large chunk of the process. If that happened then the other 2 situations were definitely possible.

 

https://www.cantonrep.com/sports/20180430/browns-draft-one-of-dorseys-right-hand-men-explains-flip-from-darnold

It doesn’t change the fact Peter King had no clue who they were picking or changed their mind of picking Darnold weeks before the draft. The article you posted gave reasons, which isn’t very surprising. Ryan was falcons choice after his interview. 

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8 hours ago, falconsd56 said:

I mean it is possible but Smith has. 3 year contract but he is going to spend his first pick is going to be a guy who is not going contribute for 2 years and it is going to be by design??

 

 

Another claim Arthur Smith has a three year contract.  For the tenth time please prove this with a link to anything that verifies this.

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2 hours ago, Herr Doktor said:

I still don't see Mac Jones going top five.  Is Fields on camera kicking puppies?  He seems to be dropping in the media.  I don't get it.

Yeah, I don't get it, either. We all know I'm about as far from on-board with drafting a QB as one can get, but if I was drafting one, I'd certainly have the ratings Lawrence, Fields, with Wilson/Lance in a tie, then off in the distance, where I have to squint, Jones. 

All in all, if (and I choke on the words), IF we were to take a QB at 4, my hope is that it's Lance and not the others. With him having very little experience outside high school ball, it's a given he's the prime candidate to sit for a couple years. 

Either way, taking a QB creates an immediate PR debacle and puts fans and the media in a position to cheer for team failure, just to see him on the field. Matt and Julio would need to be dealt immediately to salvage things, or it'll be chaos from day one. 

If TF and AS can't see that, then I'd question their judgment before we've even played a snap.

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5 minutes ago, thanat0s said:

Yeah, I don't get it, either. We all know I'm about as far from on-board with drafting a QB as one can get, but if I was drafting one, I'd certainly have the ratings Lawrence, Fields, with Wilson/Lance in a tie, then off in the distance, where I have to squint, Jones. 

All in all, if (and I choke on the words), IF we were to take a QB at 4, my hope is that it's Lance and not the others. With him having very little experience outside high school ball, it's a given he's the prime candidate to sit for a couple years. 

Either way, taking a QB creates an immediate PR debacle and puts fans and the media in a position to cheer for team failure, just to see him on the field. Matt and Julio would need to be dealt immediately to salvage things, or it'll be chaos from day one. 

If TF and AS can't see that, then I'd question their judgment before we've even played a snap.

That's a great point.

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3 hours ago, Herr Doktor said:

I still don't see Mac Jones going top five.  Is Fields on camera kicking puppies?  He seems to be dropping in the media.  I don't get it.

It’s not very surprising to say the least. Ohio state doesn’t run pro style offense. Ohio state rarely produced any first round QB worth in last few decades. IIRC there was a guy in the eighties who was picked by Baltimore in top 5 and lasted 3-4 years in NFL. Haskins broke the drought of First round QB from Ohio state in 2019. But Haskins is already cut by the team which drafted him.  Now Texas Tech is similar but Mahomes is an exception. Can Fields run a pro offense, an offense where you need to read defenses beyond one or two reads?

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33 minutes ago, thanat0s said:

Yeah, I don't get it, either. We all know I'm about as far from on-board with drafting a QB as one can get, but if I was drafting one, I'd certainly have the ratings Lawrence, Fields, with Wilson/Lance in a tie, then off in the distance, where I have to squint, Jones. 

All in all, if (and I choke on the words), IF we were to take a QB at 4, my hope is that it's Lance and not the others. With him having very little experience outside high school ball, it's a given he's the prime candidate to sit for a couple years. 

Either way, taking a QB creates an immediate PR debacle and puts fans and the media in a position to cheer for team failure, just to see him on the field. Matt and Julio would need to be dealt immediately to salvage things, or it'll be chaos from day one. 

If TF and AS can't see that, then I'd question their judgment before we've even played a snap.

I think you're way off on this, bro. Everyone knows Lance is on the bench for 2 years. I see Lance as our original choice to begin with.

You might also have Fields ranked a bit high, but JMHO. Of all the QBs, Fields seems to be the one who "everyone" says doesn't work quickly through progressions, and doesn't have the best field vision.  That's a lot to overcome.

I think Lance is probably the top QB on our board, and after MR has a big year (his second year under AS in 2022), we have plenty of options to go one more year or trade him for max value.

I expect it's either Lance or trade down, but I wouldn't be mad if we went a different route and just picked Sewell, Pitts, Chase etc.

Either way, AS and TF seem like highly intelligent guys who have a plan, and contingencies for those plans, and contingencies for those contingencies.

If we get a SF like haul, I think we'll trade down, even if it is NE or WFT.

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7 minutes ago, celtiksage said:

I think you're way off on this, bro. Everyone knows Lance is on the bench for 2 years. I see Lance as our original choice to begin with.

You might also have Fields ranked a bit high, but JMHO. Of all the QBs, Fields seems to be the one who "everyone" says doesn't work quickly through progressions, and doesn't have the best field vision.  That's a lot to overcome.

I think Lance is probably the top QB on our board, and after MR has a big year (his second year under AS in 2022), we have plenty of options to go one more year or trade him for max value.

I expect it's either Lance or trade down, but I wouldn't be mad if we went a different route and just picked Sewell, Pitts, Chase etc.

Either way, AS and TF seem like highly intelligent guys who have a plan, and contingencies for those plans, and contingencies for those contingencies.

If we get a SF like haul, I think we'll trade down, even if it is NE or WFT.

Honestly, they all have flaws, including Lawrence. He's not a perfect prospect and has plenty to work on. With QBs, there's a ton of observation bias based on who each person predetermines is their favorite. 

My opinion on the new HC/FO is high right now, but it'll take a massive hit if they waste our first pick on a completely unnecessary position. 

It's draft a position that can make an impact at 4, or trade back and get that guy. A QB, or even a receiver, makes absolutely no sense under any  circumstance other than Matt and Julio being traded immediately after. 

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2 minutes ago, thanat0s said:

Honestly, they all have flaws, including Lawrence. He's not a perfect prospect and has plenty to work on. With QBs, there's a ton of observation bias based on who each person predetermines is their favorite. 

My opinion on the new HC/FO is high right now, but it'll take a massive hit if they waste our first pick on a completely unnecessary position. 

It's draft a position that can make an impact at 4, or trade back and get that guy. A QB, or even a receiver, makes absolutely no sense under any  circumstance other than Matt and Julio being traded immediately after. 

You're right about the flaws. But I don't see QB as an unnecessary position. We don't even have a viable backup, and there aren't really any out there that could win anything for us. Lance makes perfect sense on the two year wait program, although I agree a trade down to no later than 15 would be a great direction to go. The only problem there, if they expect Lance is going to be that good in 3 years, you really can't let Carolina have the chance to grab him. They've been offering bank for QBs, and NE probably can't beat them on a trade up with draft capital. 

And no way you start Lance in year one, so MR wouldn't be moved. He might be traded for a boatload before the late season free trade deadline if someone in contention loses a QB unexpectedly to injury. But to me Lance is the perfect choice for the future. 

If they take him at 4 I would have to see what they do with the rest of their draft picks before I become skeptical.

I think if we did take him, it wouldn't be a disaster, but I'm with you on trading back, but only if we get at least this year's and next year's first from someone, and maybe 3 firsts if it's all the way back to 15 or beyond. I'm not sure NE will give up that much.

The only real disagreement I have is about Fields. He isn't and probably never will be what Watson is. And with the hits he takes, I'm skeptical he won't be more along the lines of RGIII or Cam. He's more accurate, but he doesn't look as fast or even elusive once he's on the move. He's tough though, but that hit he took in the college playoffs, he should have been able to avoid that, and even though the LBer was right in front of him, he never saw it coming.

I think though, Fields is all we see a little differently, and that the pick of Lance would be a waste.

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Peter King is 100% legit.   He was embedded w/ Falcons in 2008 when we made the Matt Ryan pick.   Peter King broke the Julio Jones deal and speculated days before the draft the Falcons were likely on the move up.

While no reporter is always right - Scheffter, Rappoport and King are as plugged in as any.    the NFL.com lead reporters tend to get fed a bit.     

Take everything w/ a grain of salt but this King report - don't sleep on it.   Wouldn't shock me at all if Falcons take the QB - I still expect it and would put 60/40 odds on Falcons taking QB.   Not super-confident but still believe more likely than not.

Usually when Peter King offers - let's call it "musings" - there is at least something behind it.   I don't doubt the Falcons like Lance - enough to take him? who knows.

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9 hours ago, DonOfThemBirds said:

Who was it that broke the Falcons wanting to trade up for Julio or AJ Green back in 2011?

 

Was it Peter King or Jay Glazier?

Can't remember.

Both. King said he was hearing chatter and rumors about trading up. Couple of hours later Glazer confirmed falcons were talking to multiple teams including browns. 

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