etherdome 6,506 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 These draft simulators can be addictive, so exercise with caution. The algorithms appear to adjust as more and more amateurs, like myself, exercise decisions for their respective teams. I think the Football Network sim is the best I have seen (most realistic), so I chose to go with their product. I am trying my best to make these exercises as realistic as possible. For this most recent exercise, I chose to not trade at all. Most of these sims have a loose and unrealistic set up for trades, so I decided to go with the scenario that we will have no trade partners and will have to accept the picks assigned to us. I will limit the mock to just 5 rounds. Let's face it, I don't know most of these prospects and certainly after the 5th round, I would just be picking straws out of a hat. Here is an example of what could happen: 1.4 Justin Fields. There has been a lot of debate about whether to draft a QB in the first round or not. For purposes of this exercise, I am assuming that Fields is a franchise-caliber QB that will need a season to be ready for the helm. We draft our QB for the next decade. 2.35 Zaven Collins. As time goes by, I think teams will see the incredible talent this guy has. He could be an OLB for us in a 3-4 alignment. He is big, fast, athletic and smart enough to rush the passer, stop the run and even cover TE's. If we can draft this guy in the second, I would consider it a stroke of luck. 3.68 Javonte Williams. It is no secret that we need a running game. I was looking for a OL, but found better value in this talented RB. This guy is powerful, decisive, protects the QB well and is a very good receiver. He is the sort of bell cow we need. 4.108 Kelvin Joseph. This is another value pick and happens to cover a need. The cupboards are bare in the secondary and this guy can quite possibly start as a rookie. 5.149 Marvin Wilson. Another value pick (I am a BPA person). He has the strength to man the nose and enough quickness to at least push the pocket. 5.181 Shakur Brown. Again this is a value pick. Brown has incredible talent but little experience. The secondary needs a lot of building and I think Brown is a guy that can start in a year or two. I think this draft would provide us with three legit rookie starters, a QB of the future and a couple of very talented developmental prospects. I am disappointed that I could not draft an OL. The LG position is a major sore spot for me. I was also blanked out of drafting a Safety, which is also a major weakness in our roster. Also, I would have liked to draft a TE, but this draft has one, maybe two NFL TE's and drafting one, just to fill a need, did not make sense to me. Let me know what you think. Dirtier Bird, Sponge, Monolith2001 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sponge 20,755 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I like it a lot. I gotta be honest though, I'm still on the fence about drafting MR's replacement. The silver lining is I can't be mad if we do/or dont replace him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Summerhill 1,845 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I like this a lot. But do you think Javonte Williams will really go this low? Everyone on Twitter has been loving him lately and I am thinking he goes top 40. RedandBlack4ever and rugger8 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcons_Frenzy 3,800 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Looks good. I agree with all your principles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thanat0s 5,292 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I love it except the top pick. A QB is not in any way a problem solver on this team. Sewell, or even Slater or AV-T on the OL, Parsons at LB, or Surtain and Farley at CB would be guys who can make a difference day one. Give me one of them rather than a bench warmer, and I'd consider this a very successful draft. RedandBlack4ever and Cheyakita 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herr Doktor 8,471 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 From a value perspective, this would be solid. One thing about these simulators to me is there is real bias towards certain players and positions. I ROUTINELY see players who are graded in the first three rounds in the fifth or later. thanat0s 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
etherdome 6,506 Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, thanat0s said: I love it except the top pick. A QB is not in any way a problem solver on this team. Sewell, or even Slater or AV-T on the OL, Parsons at LB, or Surtain and Farley at CB would be guys who can make a difference day one. Give me one of them rather than a bench warmer, and I'd consider this a very successful draft. I understand your opinion. I did this mock with the assumption that Fields is a bonafide future franchise QB. Of course, no one is a sure thing, but for purposes of this exercise, I went that route. I happen to think that Ryan has four seasons of very good play left. And yes, drafting a top tier OL would help Ryan greatly. All three OL's you mentioned were on the board at #4 Herr Doktor and thanat0s 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monolith2001 5,054 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Any draft with Javonte Williams in it is a win for me. I don't think I've ever looked at film on a prospect and just could not get enough. Lettuce pray. Rings 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Knight of God 53,905 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 No FS? JohnnyFranchise and gtech1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
etherdome 6,506 Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 56 minutes ago, Knight of God said: No FS? Regretfully. I made a comment about that in the last paragraph. I do mocks to get an idea of what TF will be up against. I went for value at each pick, which left me out of an OL, TE and FS. The value of this exercise is that it can be the driving force behind Free Agency decisions. Herr Doktor 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herr Doktor 8,471 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, etherdome said: Regretfully. I made a comment about that in the last paragraph. I do mocks to get an idea of what TF will be up against. I went for value at each pick, which left me out of an OL, TE and FS. The value of this exercise is that it can be the driving force behind Free Agency decisions. Or vice versa. FA will tell us a great deal more moving forward. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Bandana 340 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I like everything about this draft. Well done Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtier Bird 260 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Our HC and GM have expressed a BPA philosophy in the draft, but all I usually see here are needs based mocks. Well done sir. Herr Doktor and celtiksage 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slider 1,567 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) I just replaced the entire team almost via the PFN sim: 15: Patrick Surtain II Alabama CB 16 Players 35 Mac Jones Alabama QB Defense 9 players 37: Levi Onwuzurike Washington DT 2 CB's/ 2 S's/2 Edge/2 DT's/1 LB 39: Richie Grant UCF S Offense 7 players 59. Javonte Williams NC RB 2 RB's/ 2 WR's/ 1 QB/ 1 TE/ 1 IOL 132: Austin Watkins UAB WR 149: Paulson Adebo Stanford CB 157: Kendrick Green Illinois C/G 169: Sage Surratt WF WR 170: Jaret Patterson Buffalo RB 180: Tariq Thompson SD State S 183: Elerson Smith N. Iowa Edge 184: Malcom Koonce Buffalo Edge 189: Nick Eubanks Mich TE 212: Erroll Thompson Miss St. LB 218: LaBryan Ray Alabama DT Recieved: Gave Up: 2022 NE 7th 2022 ATL 2nd 2022 Car 6th 2022 CLE 4th This would be the draft of the century. Can't happen in reality but it was easy in PFN Sim. Edited March 1 by slider Knight of God, Herr Doktor, Rings and 1 other 1 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Knight of God 53,905 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, etherdome said: Regretfully. I made a comment about that in the last paragraph. I do mocks to get an idea of what TF will be up against. I went for value at each pick, which left me out of an OL, TE and FS. The value of this exercise is that it can be the driving force behind Free Agency decisions. Ok. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 7,532 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 12 hours ago, Monolith2001 said: Any draft with Javonte Williams in it is a win for me. I don't think I've ever looked at film on a prospect and just could not get enough. Lettuce pray. Same, board is obsessed with Harris, I wouldn’t be surprised if Williams had a better career in the least. Monolith2001 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyFranchise 2,651 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 12 hours ago, Knight of God said: No FS? it's only the strongest position group in the draft and also possibly our most pressing need, why wouldn't we completely neglect it? Knight of God 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Knight of God 53,905 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 12 hours ago, slider said: I just replaced the entire team almost via the PFN sim: 15: Patrick Surtain II Alabama CB 16 Players 35 Mac Jones Alabama QB Defense 9 players 37: Levi Onwuzurike Washington DT 2 CB's/ 2 S's/2 Edge/2 DT's/1 LB 39: Richie Grant UCF S Offense 7 players 59. Javonte Williams NC RB 2 RB's/ 2 WR's/ 1 QB/ 1 TE/ 1 IOL 132: Austin Watkins UAB WR 149: Paulson Adebo Stanford CB 157: Kendrick Green Illinois C/G 169: Sage Surratt WF WR 170: Jaret Patterson Buffalo RB 180: Tariq Thompson SD State S 183: Elerson Smith N. Iowa Edge 184: Malcom Koonce Buffalo Edge 189: Nick Eubanks Mich TE 212: Erroll Thompson Miss St. LB 218: LaBryan Ray Alabama DT Recieved: Gave Up: 2022 NE 7th 2022 ATL 2nd 2022 Car 6th 2022 CLE 4th This would be the draft of the century. Can't happen in reality but it was easy in PFN Sim. Great mock slider and JohnnyFranchise 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faithful Falcon 8,190 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, Rings said: Same, board is obsessed with Harris, I wouldn’t be surprised if Williams had a better career in the least. It's not the boards. Anyone who's seen the guy play is impressed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herr Doktor 8,471 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 This is one I threw together. No trades, and selected largely BPA in each round. PFN and PFF are wildly different from each other, and players appear to be ranked oddly as if the sims have not been updated since last year. But... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 7,532 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 21 hours ago, Faithful Falcon said: It's not the boards. Anyone who's seen the guy play is impressed. You can be impressed with his play but also not want to take him in the first round. There are a few really good backs in the draft, but you’d think only Harris was any good by most mocks here was my point. His size won’t matter as much in the NFL as it did in college, he’s not Derrick Henry’s size, linebackers bigger and faster in NFL than college. There are faster backs, with better hands that can be had in rounds 2 & 3 who I think will have better careers myself. Herr Doktor 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alexhead97 122 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) I like the PFF simulator best but they have some v different rankings compared to other sites (see Najee Harris) and they let you get away with a lot in terms of trades. That being said, this one could be the best the board has fallen for me so far... Edited March 3 by alexhead97 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Summerhill 1,845 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 3/2/2021 at 6:28 AM, Herr Doktor said: This is one I threw together. No trades, and selected largely BPA in each round. PFN and PFF are wildly different from each other, and players appear to be ranked oddly as if the sims have not been updated since last year. But... I remember seeing a lot of flashes from Whiteside when I watched tape of Jordan Elliott last year. Herr Doktor 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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