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On 2/26/2021 at 11:16 PM, #84 said:

Matt Ryan came into a situation with a developing star receiver in White and A Pro bowl RB in Turner.  He was protected by a powerful running game.  Again build the team first and protect the new QB.  

So Julio and Ridley don’t count ? The Falcons can’t draft a rb ? Or get one in FA ? CAS won’t improve the line and overall offense  ? ..what are you talking about..you speak in about what Ryan walked into while completely ignoring the offensive pieces here now 😂😂😂😂😂

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5 hours ago, Macknsweetjones said:

So Julio and Ridley don’t count ? The Falcons can’t draft a rb ? Or get one in FA ? CAS won’t improve the line and overall offense  ? ..what are you talking about..you speak in about what Ryan walked into while completely ignoring the offensive pieces here now 😂😂😂😂😂

So you bring in the rookie he doesn't play this year.  If you want him to play next year you likely unload Ryan meaning Julio will likely also ask to be traded because why would he want to spend his last few years in a rebuild.  So you have Ridley and hope CAS has built a running game, fixed the o-line and defense in one year which is highly unlikely.  And even if that near impossibility does happen you likely will have enough good play from Julio and Ryan the emphasis on playing the rookie would go away.  It is a lose lose situation for a team with as many glaring holes as we have and a capable QB on the roster to use prime draft posistion to draft a back-up player because ESPN told you a QB can win a game all on his own.

Either we can't totally retool the whole roster in one offseason in which case you are putting the new kid in a posistion to fail next year and giving yourself only 3 season of reduced rate QB play to field a Contender.  Or you do retool the team your franchise QB looks great and plays 2-3 more seasons and you get almost no value from the a top 10 pick as he rides the pine.   There is no way picking a top 10 QB in our situation is helpful to our cause.

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2 hours ago, #84 said:

So you bring in the rookie he doesn't play this year.  If you want him to play next year you likely unload Ryan meaning Julio will likely also ask to be traded because why would he want to spend his last few years in a rebuild.  So you have Ridley and hope CAS has built a running game, fixed the o-line and defense in one year which is highly unlikely.  And even if that near impossibility does happen you likely will have enough good play from Julio and Ryan the emphasis on playing the rookie would go away.  It is a lose lose situation for a team with as many glaring holes as we have and a capable QB on the roster to use prime draft posistion to draft a back-up player because ESPN told you a QB can win a game all on his own.

Either we can't totally retool the whole roster in one offseason in which case you are putting the new kid in a posistion to fail next year and giving yourself only 3 season of reduced rate QB play to field a Contender.  Or you do retool the team your franchise QB looks great and plays 2-3 more seasons and you get almost no value from the a top 10 pick as he rides the pine.   There is no way picking a top 10 QB in our situation is helpful to our cause.

No you mean you THINK and ASSUME Julio would want a trade, you think that not Julio just you.

If it’s that many holes as you say then no the current QB on the roster won’t be capable as he’s proven he can’t do anything with a team with so many holes as you say.

best scenario is draft the QB at 4 sit him a season then move on from Ryan. This whole having a top 10 QB sit on the pine is a waste is a foolish point coming from Taft that don’t want to move on and keep prolonging what’s going to happen sooner than later. The qb at 4 is this future period, and the insurance. 
 

the draft don’t end in the first round, and FA exist.

CAS shouldn’t have any issue building a team, everything was on Dirk right not Ryan and whoever ..ok cool so CAS shouldn’t have a problem grooming a rookie while fielding a competent team with Ryan for this upcoming season. 
 

now if it’s that many holes as you say then it don’t matter either way Falcons gone suck..so still draft the qb at 4 while we suck this season since it’s that many holes it won’t matter who’s back there throwing the ball losing is losing 💡

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On 2/27/2021 at 9:35 PM, JetJones11 said:

Michael turner was a back up rb from the Chargers hardly a pro bowler when we signed him 

Everyone knew who Turner was and expected him to be good on his new team. He was THE priority free agent that year. Let’s not act like he was a cheap FA that shocked the world. He was behind a top 10 all time RB, so not a knock on him. He had multiple 100 yard games as a backup, including rushing for ~150 yards when he got to start w LT being hurt.

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On 2/26/2021 at 4:20 PM, Dirtier Bird said:

Absolutely, ride that HOF train. But since it is so hard to replace him, I'm for starting the search now. Ryan is 36 and seems to be in decline to my eyes. We must have at least two more QBs this season. If Smith's favorite QB is there at 4, I hope he takes him. 

Ryan is 35.  He won't be 36 for a few months yet.

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6 hours ago, Macknsweetjones said:

No you mean you THINK and ASSUME Julio would want a trade, you think that not Julio just you.

If it’s that many holes as you say then no the current QB on the roster won’t be capable as he’s proven he can’t do anything with a team with so many holes as you say.

best scenario is draft the QB at 4 sit him a season then move on from Ryan. This whole having a top 10 QB sit on the pine is a waste is a foolish point coming from Taft that don’t want to move on and keep prolonging what’s going to happen sooner than later. The qb at 4 is this future period, and the insurance. 
 

the draft don’t end in the first round, and FA exist.

CAS shouldn’t have any issue building a team, everything was on Dirk right not Ryan and whoever ..ok cool so CAS shouldn’t have a problem grooming a rookie while fielding a competent team with Ryan for this upcoming season. 
 

now if it’s that many holes as you say then it don’t matter either way Falcons gone suck..so still draft the qb at 4 while we suck this season since it’s that many holes it won’t matter who’s back there throwing the ball losing is losing 💡

Again of we build a good team this year and the new guy doesn't play then we have the Packers issue.  Where the current QB feels he's being pushed out and the new guy feels he's being held back, a team with a losing record having two QBs is in a no win scenario like I said.  Either we win immediately and then the controversy continues or we still suck and the new guy is asked to be a savior for a team that isn't good enough to help him.   There is a reason teams ride QBs till the wheels come off because it causes nothing but problems when you have two guys.  

You either build a team then drop in a QB when you are ready to compete or you play QB roulette for a decade trying to find your guy never admitting no guy is good enough to make up for your overall lack of talent.  Very rarely does anything else happen tell me how did the Texans do with Deshaun last year/The Bengals with Burrow playing well.  A young QB can only do so much and after awhile it affects them either they start demanding trades or get hurt or their confidence is just totally broken.  So If we are really in full rebuild ride with Ryan if we are good enough to compete ride with Ryan to prevent a locker room split.  Their really is no value in bringing in a guy who "will save the franchise" off a 4 win season unless the QB is the only difference between that 4 win season and the playoffs

 

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10 minutes ago, #84 said:

Again of we build a good team this year and the new guy doesn't play then we have the Packers issue.  Where the current QB feels he's being pushed out and the new guy feels he's being held back, a team with a losing record having two QBs is in a no win scenario like I said.  Either we win immediately and then the controversy continues or we still suck and the new guy is asked to be a savior for a team that isn't good enough to help him.   There is a reason teams ride QBs till the wheels come off because it causes nothing but problems when you have two guys.  

You either build a team then drop in a QB when you are ready to compete or you play QB roulette for a decade trying to find your guy never admitting no guy is good enough to make up for your overall lack of talent.  Very rarely does anything else happen tell me how did the Texans do with Deshaun last year/The Bengals with Burrow playing well.  A young QB can only do so much and after awhile it affects them either they start demanding trades or get hurt or their confidence is just totally broken.  So If we are really in full rebuild ride with Ryan if we are good enough to compete ride with Ryan to prevent a locker room split.  Their really is no value in bringing in a guy who "will save the franchise" off a 4 win season unless the QB is the only difference between that 4 win season and the playoffs

 

Great point:

Their really is no value in bringing in a guy who "will save the franchise" off a 4 win season unless the QB is the only difference between that 4 win season and the playoffs

This is a great point.

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Things that are for sure on TATF.

1) People want Matt Ryan gone, because reasons.

2) People think Matt Ryan is washed up and cannot win, but also think we can get multiple high draft picks for him.

3) People think a top 5 QB is a guaranteed NFL success story.

4) People add years to Matt Ryan's age because he's apparently Old Man Winter.

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The best pick for the future IMO is Sewell a top flight o-linemen who can play anywhere on the line and will create better protection immediately for Ryan and linemen last so he will likely guard the blindside of however replaces Ryan whether that is imminent or in three years. 

The kind of pick that makes the whole roster better immediately to get buy-in from your current team.  But also creates a better team for the future by getting you a pick at a premium posistion that can stay with the roster for a long time.  That is how you draft.

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16 minutes ago, #84 said:

The best pick for the future IMO is Sewell a top flight o-linemen who can play anywhere on the line and will create better protection immediately for Ryan and linemen last so he will likely guard the blindside of however replaces Ryan whether that is imminent or in three years. 

The kind of pick that makes the whole roster better immediately to get buy-in from your current team.  But also creates a better team for the future by getting you a pick at a premium posistion that can stay with the roster for a long time.  That is how you draft.

I like Sewell or Slater if we stay at 4.  I prefer to trade back and take one of the best defensive players, but if a trade back is not possible and Sewell falls to us?  Pull the trigger for sure.

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1 hour ago, #84 said:

Again of we build a good team this year and the new guy doesn't play then we have the Packers issue.  Where the current QB feels he's being pushed out and the new guy feels he's being held back, a team with a losing record having two QBs is in a no win scenario like I said.  Either we win immediately and then the controversy continues or we still suck and the new guy is asked to be a savior for a team that isn't good enough to help him.   There is a reason teams ride QBs till the wheels come off because it causes nothing but problems when you have two guys.  

You either build a team then drop in a QB when you are ready to compete or you play QB roulette for a decade trying to find your guy never admitting no guy is good enough to make up for your overall lack of talent.  Very rarely does anything else happen tell me how did the Texans do with Deshaun last year/The Bengals with Burrow playing well.  A young QB can only do so much and after awhile it affects them either they start demanding trades or get hurt or their confidence is just totally broken.  So If we are really in full rebuild ride with Ryan if we are good enough to compete ride with Ryan to prevent a locker room split.  Their really is no value in bringing in a guy who "will save the franchise" off a 4 win season unless the QB is the only difference between that 4 win season and the playoffs

 

No we don’t have the packer issues ..YOU think we have the packers issue..it’s impossible for us to have the packers issue because Ryan isn’t Rodgers and tbh Packers aren’t wrong. Rodgers had his chance to win it he blew it on his own in the last few minutes of the game.

all this talks of locker room split is Your assumption again (we barely have a locker room this is not a strong team period so miss me with that) to make a case to keep Ryan, this a business and it isn’t the nba ..it’s been 12 years the Falcons have rode Ryan enough ..and no all franchises don’t hang on to QBs till the wheels fall off that’s a fools play. 
 

this is the most short sighted argument on Taft. 

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1 hour ago, JDaveG said:

Things that are for sure on TATF.

1) People want Matt Ryan gone, because reasons.

2) People think Matt Ryan is washed up and cannot win, but also think we can get multiple high draft picks for him.

3) People think a top 5 QB is a guaranteed NFL success story.

4) People add years to Matt Ryan's age because he's apparently Old Man Winter.

Things that are sure for Taft:

 

1) People want to treadmill with Ryan until he has a Walker up his *** 

2) People on this board think the Falcons got too many holes on the team to draft a qb..but think Arthur smith can build a team around Ryan this year and win ..funny I thought we had too many holes 

3) People think drafted a OL/S/CB/LB in the top 5 is a guaranteed nfl success story 

4) people think Ryan have elite years left, but board hasn’t seen an elite year since 16

 

too easy 

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8 minutes ago, Macknsweetjones said:

Things that are sure for Taft:

 

1) People want to treadmill with Ryan until he has a Walker up his *** 

2) People on this board think the Falcons got too many holes on the team to draft a qb..but think Arthur smith can build a team around Ryan this year and win ..funny I thought we had too many holes 

3) People think drafted a OL/S/CB/LB in the top 5 is a guaranteed nfl success story 

4) people think Ryan have elite years left, but board hasn’t seen an elite year since 16

 

too easy 

Yeah.  Sweet burn bro.

By the way, number 2?  The point is getting key players at other positions who will actually play this year.  If you want to sit a rookie QB (or sit Ryan) and see how that goes, it will go a lot like last year went.  Because the only thing that will have changed is the QB, and while everyone loves the Patrick Mahomes model, it absolutely crapped the bed in the Super Bowl this year.  It takes more than 1 player.  That's one reason Andy Reid waited until his 5th season with the Chiefs to draft him.

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12 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

Yeah.  Sweet burn bro.

By the way, number 2?  The point is getting key players at other positions who will actually play this year.  If you want to sit a rookie QB (or sit Ryan) and see how that goes, it will go a lot like last year went.  Because the only thing that will have changed is the QB, and while everyone loves the Patrick Mahomes model, it absolutely crapped the bed in the Super Bowl this year.  It takes more than 1 player.  That's one reason Andy Reid waited until his 5th season with the Chiefs to draft him.

And you can do that and draft a while at 4 in the draft or did you forget that the draft don’t end in the first round ? Did you forget we still have FA ? Ya know the Falcons are not going to skip that part of the offseason right ?

 

I do want to sit a rookie for a year, but again like everyone who take up your argument you’re making an assumption you don’t know what the record is going to be for the team if we take a qb at 4…tbh I wouldn’t care if this year we suck because it’s a new regime and the first year..we been losing for what 4 years with the guy you caping for so everyone on this board should be use to it 

 

Andy Reid drafted a QB when he realized Alex smith was a treadmill and they kept getting bounced from the playoffs and blowing leads 

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1 minute ago, Macknsweetjones said:

And you can do that and draft a while at 4 in the draft or did you forget that the draft don’t end in the first round ? Did you forget we still have FA ? Ya know the Falcons are not going to skip that part of the offseason right ?

 

I do want to sit a rookie for a year, but again like everyone who take up your argument you’re making an assumption you don’t know what the record is going to be for the team if we take a qb at 4…tbh I wouldn’t care if this year we suck because it’s a new regime and the first year..we been losing for what 4 years with the guy you caping for so everyone on this board should be use to it 

 

Andy Reid drafted a QB when he realized Alex smith was a treadmill and they kept getting bounced from the playoffs and blowing leads 

I bet the new regime cares if we suck this year.

But about FA, we're over the cap right now.  Significantly.  It isn't that we won't make moves to get back under it and pick up a couple of guys.  It's just that the play that makes the most sense is trading down and getting more picks for this season and next, and rolling with the future HOF QB we have.  Because we don't have the money to be major players in FA and fill every hole on the team.  

I get wanting a new QB.  I won't be mad if we draft one.  But I bet we won't, because the truth is QB is the least of this team's concerns.  Matt Ryan is so far down the list of problems we have, that I'd be floored if the new regime's first move is to draft his replacement when we can't realistically cut him, and we are unlikely to trade him.

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4 minutes ago, Macknsweetjones said:

Andy Reid drafted a QB when he realized Alex smith was a treadmill and they kept getting bounced from the playoffs and blowing leads 

Given Mahomes' performance in the Super Bowl and the rest of the team's performance, you think Reid is going to draft a QB this season?

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5 hours ago, JDaveG said:

Given Mahomes' performance in the Super Bowl and the rest of the team's performance, you think Reid is going to draft a QB this season?

Mahomes already won the big one big guy and he’s young and prolific something that Matt had Alex smith aren’t

 try another angle 😏

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10 minutes ago, Macknsweetjones said:

Mahomes already won the big one big guy and he’s young and prolific something that Matt had Alex smith aren’t

 try another angle 😏

No, I'll stick with this one.  Matt Ryan already played well enough in a Super Bowl to win running away.  He was let down by defense and coaching, and some key mistakes by his teammates like a whiffed block on what was going to be a TD pass and a key hold by our first round LT.

Football is a team sport.  Mahomes' performance in this Super Bowl wasn't his fault.  But nobody is talking about Tom Brady crapping the bed against the Packers, because his defense bailed him out over and over and over again.  Which isn't to say Tom Brady isn't a great QB.  It's just to say measuring a QB's performance by "getting bounced from the playoffs and blowing leads" is stupid.  If only because the QB got you the lead to begin with.  Some of those other 52 guys have to do their jobs too.

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16 hours ago, JDaveG said:

No, I'll stick with this one.  Matt Ryan already played well enough in a Super Bowl to win running away.  He was let down by defense and coaching, and some key mistakes by his teammates like a whiffed block on what was going to be a TD pass and a key hold by our first round LT.

Football is a team sport.  Mahomes' performance in this Super Bowl wasn't his fault.  But nobody is talking about Tom Brady crapping the bed against the Packers, because his defense bailed him out over and over and over again.  Which isn't to say Tom Brady isn't a great QB.  It's just to say measuring a QB's performance by "getting bounced from the playoffs and blowing leads" is stupid.  If only because the QB got you the lead to begin with.  Some of those other 52 guys have to do their jobs too.

Matt Ryan lost that game with the team he took a sack he should’ve have yes freeman missed the blocked throw the ball away ..matter fact take a chance and change the **** play to a running play instead of being a good boy company man 😏

Matt Ryan def deserve some blame so no miss me with the he did enough, no he didn’t we lost so it wasn’t enough. 

 

So Brady defense covered his ***..which means that packers defense did enough to win that game and it was IN FACT Rodgers fault not greenbay taking a QB in the first round 

 

hmmmmmmm 🌚

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23 hours ago, Macknsweetjones said:

Things that are sure for Taft:

 

1) People want to treadmill with Ryan until he has a Walker up his *** 

2) People on this board think the Falcons got too many holes on the team to draft a qb..but think Arthur smith can build a team around Ryan this year and win ..funny I thought we had too many holes 

3) People think drafted a OL/S/CB/LB in the top 5 is a guaranteed nfl success story 

4) people think Ryan have elite years left, but board hasn’t seen an elite year since 16

 

too easy 

Well...that's why most people want to trade back for more picks genius.  

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Just now, abcranford2 said:

Well...that's why most people want to trade back for more picks genius.  

That’s dumb too more picks don’t = success …you can trade back and still end up just like the browns …and Falcons being at 4 again isn’t guaranteed…take the qb Genius 😏 

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1 minute ago, Macknsweetjones said:

That’s dumb too more picks don’t = success …you can trade back and still end up just like the browns …and Falcons being at 4 again isn’t guaranteed…take the qb Genius 😏 

I'd prefer getting a player that can actually help the team now at 4.  You don't draft a player at 4 that is going to sit on the bench for 3 years.

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