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Everybody knows qb is the most important position on the field. You don't need fancy numbers to show that....the problem is being 20+ mil over the cap and then wanting to take pick 4 and their 7 milli

Both of these QBs are such capable athletes I just salivate at the potential damage they can do in a Smith offense. Off script QB play is so important in this day and age of NFL football. I just hope

I tend to prefer Fields on upside alone, plus I think his frame is going to take an NFL game better than Wilson's. But the real problem is, neither is really NFL ready.  And you can't take a guy

1 minute ago, Mister pudding said:

Not that I want a qb, but I'd take Wilson over Fields any day of the week. I'm not impressed with Field's vision. He seems to concentrate on 1 receiver and stare him down.. I just don't think that will translate well to the NFL, but I'm just some guy off the street

I agree. Lance does it too.

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18 minutes ago, xSICKxWITHxITx said:

I honestly really don't think we go QB at 4. I could be wrong, but I am 90 something percent sure we don't. I am not saying I don't want to, but the smart thing based off everything is telling me we trade down and go best player available.

Trade down only if your guy is not at pick 4 and you get the picks you need to make the team better than at pick 4. The Falcons have to pick up a QB in the draft or FA. I don't know how they can afford to pick a QB in FA as no money for it at this time. I expect 2021 is a get over the cap hump year. 

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42 minutes ago, Mister pudding said:

Not that I want a qb, but I'd take Wilson over Fields any day of the week. I'm not impressed with Field's vision. He seems to concentrate on 1 receiver and stare him down.. I just don't think that will translate well to the NFL, but I'm just some guy off the street

I tend to prefer Fields on upside alone, plus I think his frame is going to take an NFL game better than Wilson's.

But the real problem is, neither is really NFL ready.  And you can't take a guy at 4 if you don't know his game is going to translate.  If we're taking that risk, trade down, accumulate picks, and take Lance.  Or hope someone like Jones falls into your lap in the 2nd, or pick one of the mid-round guys.

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2 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

I tend to prefer Fields on upside alone, plus I think his frame is going to take an NFL game better than Wilson's.

But the real problem is, neither is really NFL ready.  And you can't take a guy at 4 if you don't know his game is going to translate.  If we're taking that risk, trade down, accumulate picks, and take Lance.  Or hope someone like Jones falls into your lap in the 2nd, or pick one of the mid-round guys.

If that's the case, I wouldn't take one at all.

"Hope is not a plan."  -Mr. Pudding

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2 hours ago, irrevelantfalconsfan said:

I like Justin. Has that Russel Wilson-eske feel to him. Not overly physical or fast, but very mobile when needed. Also, he's a Georgia native.

Not overly physical?  Okayyyyyy

he is 6’3” and 225lbs-ish.  Very strong and Very fast for a QB.

You may be confused.

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1 hour ago, Mister pudding said:

Not that I want a qb, but I'd take Wilson over Fields any day of the week. I'm not impressed with Field's vision. He seems to concentrate on 1 receiver and stare him down.. I just don't think that will translate well to the NFL, but I'm just some guy off the street

I see that, too, but would say: 

  1. I think Fields throws a much better ball when he is scrambling and improvising that it makes me wonder if that one-read OSU offense is actually stifling him.
  2. I thought the same thing about Dak Prescott when he was a prospect and I may have been right but to a large extent all these QBs are more about what they can learn in years 1-3 in the NFL than what they did in college. Prescott proved he could advance from where he was. Can Fields? 
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36 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:


The bottom tweet is the point that is lost on those blindly raging against a QB at 4th

 

That WAR tweet is misleading at best.. this WAR average are from the top 10 qbs in the league. Give me a WAR average of the last 10 qbs taken in the top 10 in the first round and let's check out those numbers

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Everybody knows qb is the most important position on the field. You don't need fancy numbers to show that....the problem is being 20+ mil over the cap and then wanting to take pick 4 and their 7 million dollar salary and sit it on the bench. 

Either trade Ryan, rip the band-aid off and select a qb or keep ryan and don't take a qb. There's really not an in-between that doesnt set us back or hurt us long term

 

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4 minutes ago, Summerhill said:

I see that, too, but would say: 

  1. I think Fields throws a much better ball when he is scrambling and improvising that it makes me wonder if that one-read OSU offense is actually stifling him.
  2. I thought the same thing about Dak Prescott when he was a prospect and I may have been right but to a large extent all these QBs are more about what they can learn in years 1-3 in the NFL than what they did in college. Prescott proved he could advance from where he was. Can Fields? 

Perhaps... taking Dak in round 4 and taking a flyer on a similar player at pick #4 are two different animals

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41 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:


The bottom tweet is the point that is lost on those blindly raging against a QB at 4th

 

 

3 minutes ago, Mister pudding said:

That WAR tweet is misleading at best.. this WAR average are from the top 10 qbs in the league. Give me a WAR average of the last 10 qbs taken in the top 10 in the first round and let's check out those numbers

He doesn’t know what he is pasting. If you go by the career value of every position, there are very few QB who top their draft class. It’s same story every year, people are convinced the QB are sure thing. 

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9 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

Everybody knows qb is the most important position on the field. You don't need fancy numbers to show that....the problem is being 20+ mil over the cap and then wanting to take pick 4 and their 7 million dollar salary and sit it on the bench. 

Either trade Ryan, rip the band-aid off and select a qb or keep ryan and don't take a qb. There's really not an in-between that doesnt set us back or hurt us long term

 

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12 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

Everybody knows qb is the most important position on the field. You don't need fancy numbers to show that....the problem is being 20+ mil over the cap and then wanting to take pick 4 and their 7 million dollar salary and sit it on the bench. 

Either trade Ryan, rip the band-aid off and select a qb or keep ryan and don't take a qb. There's really not an in-between that doesnt set us back or hurt us long term

 

everything will be done for "what's better for the Falcons in the long run" - not "what's better for the Falcons in 2021".     You are thinking in a 1yr increment - TF isn't.

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7 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

everything will be done for "what's better for the Falcons in the long run" - not "what's better for the Falcons in 2021".     You are thinking in a 1yr increment - TF isn't.

How is wanting to trade Ryan now and get max value for him while we can thinking in a 1 year increment? These other teams are cashing in on their qbs right now so somebody new can take over. They're not sitting their rookies on the bench. Get his cap hit out of the way now, not over a multi year span, and actually give the rookie a chance to have a team built around him

 

 

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