#84 181 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 If only there were an event every year in which teams could acquire young talent at key posistions. The NFL should really get on doing something like that 🤣🤣🤣 There is 2-3 "franchise QBs" in every draft the key as it always has been is to have a good team that is well coached. You can hide an average QB in a good system ala Tannehill or Flacco but even a great QB can't make his teammates not suck. See Marino's while career or Mahomes trying to play with a back-up o-line in this year's SB. Williamb, Ghosts of Glanville, JohnnyFranchise and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Daywalker 1,150 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: If we don't draft a QB at 4 this year what is your plan to replace Matt Ryan when he does retire? How and when would you go about finding his replacement? Who are the prospects next year? The team has to have some continuity while it transitions to a new era. The beauty of the nfl unlike other sports is that every year there’s a chance to be competitive. Qb is a want at this point not a need. Falcons Fan MVP 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
#84 181 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) The other problem this fails to address if its about future potential due to cap savings you can't play the new kid this year anyway or if you do your paying Ryan 20% of the cap to be a back-up. So then You then have only 3 years of rookie scale contract if you don't get the right guy this time your done. Because you then have to either extend an average QB for way more than he's worth ala Wentz or try the draft over and over again till you hit pay dirt ala the Browns and like the Browns we may not guess right right the first, 2nd, 3rd or even 8th time the vast majority of first round QBs fail so saying you absolutely have to take one is always flawed logic. Good teams are built by drafting great players and when the time comes a QB is placed into an already good situation that protects him. Going QB first and hoping he elevates the whole roster is an unsustainable formula. Edited February 22 by #84 Falcons Fan MVP and Williamb 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,703 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 56 minutes ago, falcons007 said: I personally think what TF and AS hinting about next year and year after means a trade down. Instead of reaching for some one, trade down and get picks for next year and this year to build a team. When you have great team, your QB becomes plug and play and part of it. Build a team. Fontenot’s words make it appear they will address the need this year. Whether or not it’s true, who knows Time Up for Matt Ryan? Atlanta Falcons GM Prioritizes Quarterback Acquisition Aaditya Krishnamurthy Matt Ryan may be on borrowed time in Atlanta. The quarterback struggled last season, as the Falcons ended up missing the Playoffs once again. Now, the franchise may be looking to start over with a new team. And if the Falcons’ GM is to be believed, Matt Ryan could be lining up for a team that isn’t the Atlanta Falcons. Atlanta Falcons’ GM Terry Fontenot spoke to NFL.com recently about the plans for the franchise. He noted that the utmost priority for the team is to acquire a new quarterback. Fontenot explained how important it is for the franchise to bring in a new quarterback. He used the example of former Packers’ GM Ron Wolf to explain his strong desire for the same. “You look at Ron Wolf, You always bring in quarterbacks. You need to bring in quarterbacks, whether it’s in the draft, whether it’s in free agency, or signing guys off the street. “It’s so important, bring in quarterbacks a lot, build strengths…But both (Ryan and Julio Jones) are really good and I’m excited to be here with those players.” READ MORE- From Free Agency to the Pro Bowl – Tracing the Rise of Falcons’ Kicker Younghoe Koo Atlanta Falcons looking at a rebuild All said and done, Fontenot did note that the quarterback position still wasn’t the only priority. The entire team must be replenished. And whether they choose to do it via the draft or through trades or free agency, the team will get better. Fontenot hopes to breed a culture competition, where the best players in their positions are forced to earn their starting spots on the team. “Whether we’re talking about free agency or whether we’re talking about the draft, we are going to add to every position…We want a culture of competition, and Arthur Smith has said it: We want to bring in smart, tough, highly competitive football players that are going to fit this culture. “And we’re going to do that at every position, whether it’s QB or whether it’s WR.” (h/t-Huddle and Flow) Can the Atlanta Falcons improve going into the next season? It will be a challenging task, given how poor the franchise has been in recent memory. However, if they can find the right pieces for the team, maybe they can return to the Playoffs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nomak 4,719 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, BLM said: Bigger question is, if Fontenot and Smith can't turn the ship around with Ryan, they got no backup plan Or...if Fontenot and Smith can't turn the ship around with Ryan and company...did Blank make a mistake? BLM and Herr Doktor 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Carlton 1,146 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: If we don't draft a QB at 4 this year what is your plan to replace Matt Ryan when he does retire? How and when would you go about finding his replacement? Depends on how long he plays at a high level. Vet backup for now, if Ryan can't make the offense run this season, pull the trigger next season with a vet or high draft pick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,137 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 7 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said: Fontenot’s words make it appear they will address the need this year. Whether or not it’s true, who knows Time Up for Matt Ryan? Atlanta Falcons GM Prioritizes Quarterback Acquisition Aaditya Krishnamurthy Matt Ryan may be on borrowed time in Atlanta. The quarterback struggled last season, as the Falcons ended up missing the Playoffs once again. Now, the franchise may be looking to start over with a new team. And if the Falcons’ GM is to be believed, Matt Ryan could be lining up for a team that isn’t the Atlanta Falcons. Atlanta Falcons’ GM Terry Fontenot spoke to NFL.com recently about the plans for the franchise. He noted that the utmost priority for the team is to acquire a new quarterback. Fontenot explained how important it is for the franchise to bring in a new quarterback. He used the example of former Packers’ GM Ron Wolf to explain his strong desire for the same. “You look at Ron Wolf, You always bring in quarterbacks. You need to bring in quarterbacks, whether it’s in the draft, whether it’s in free agency, or signing guys off the street. “It’s so important, bring in quarterbacks a lot, build strengths…But both (Ryan and Julio Jones) are really good and I’m excited to be here with those players.” READ MORE- From Free Agency to the Pro Bowl – Tracing the Rise of Falcons’ Kicker Younghoe Koo Atlanta Falcons looking at a rebuild All said and done, Fontenot did note that the quarterback position still wasn’t the only priority. The entire team must be replenished. And whether they choose to do it via the draft or through trades or free agency, the team will get better. Fontenot hopes to breed a culture competition, where the best players in their positions are forced to earn their starting spots on the team. “Whether we’re talking about free agency or whether we’re talking about the draft, we are going to add to every position…We want a culture of competition, and Arthur Smith has said it: We want to bring in smart, tough, highly competitive football players that are going to fit this culture. “And we’re going to do that at every position, whether it’s QB or whether it’s WR.” (h/t-Huddle and Flow) Can the Atlanta Falcons improve going into the next season? It will be a challenging task, given how poor the franchise has been in recent memory. However, if they can find the right pieces for the team, maybe they can return to the Playoffs? Lol I actually listened to what Fontenot said. I don’t need some random Aaditya Krishnamurthy to report. In any case he said they will bring in QB and not necessarily at #4. have said repeatedly they will bring in QB coz there is no back up on the roster. I hope they do draft one in later rounds and not pay big money to back up QB. I don’t think any one is arguing about a new back up QB, it can be any where from late first to mid rounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lornoth 12,228 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 It depends how long Font and Smith want Ryan here. It's not impossible he's our starter for the next 5 years or more. He could also be gone after this upcoming season. If the former situation plays out there's no way you look at an early round QB for the next few years. If the latter is the case, I'd look at who falls in this draft or take one next year. Not a fan of the top guys for where we'd have to pick them. RetroRoq and Falcons Fan MVP 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
celtiksage 2,684 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 30 minutes ago, BLM said: Well see how good Smith is at QB whispering. I was high on him until I saw he brought in Chicagos OC and Chicago QB coach and when have the bears had a good QB or seen QB improvement? Fontenot I like since the Saints have talent. Well they did pretty good for not having a viable QB or WRs. And he looked dayum good laying it on us. He only needed half a quarter. 🤣🤣 He also did great becoming an All Pro without a WR topping 800 yards. Chicago's offense has always stunk it up, so maybe it was good coaching getting them in the playoffs every year. I dunno. I'm just throwing stuff out there to see what sticks. 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smiler11 6,256 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Presumably acquire a QB at some point prior to Matt Ryan retiring. Atl Falcon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abeasley27 159 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 29 minutes ago, #84 said: If only there were an event every year in which teams could acquire young talent at key posistions. The NFL should really get on doing something like that 🤣🤣🤣 There is 2-3 "franchise QBs" in every draft the key as it always has been is to have a good team that is well coached. You can hide an average QB in a good system ala Tannehill or Flacco but even a great QB can't make his teammates not suck. See Marino's while career or Mahomes trying to play with a back-up o-line in this year's SB. Or Trent Dilfer with the ravens. #84 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abcranford2 2,091 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 the benefit of having a young qb is that they are cheap and you can build a team around them before having to pay them. Drafting one to sit behind Ryan for the next 3 years defeats that whole purpose. JohnnyFranchise and Herr Doktor 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesus 26,425 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Obviously close up the franchise and call it a day. papachaz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ATLskinjob 1,017 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Man Matt just turned 36 and barely has any injury history. I don't know why people are acting like he's looking like Big Ben or Brees. Rings, The Daywalker and Falcons_time_is_now 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheTrue7 5,757 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, BLM said: Bigger question is, if Fontenot and Smith can't turn the ship around with Ryan, they got no backup plan Where’s the question? JohnnyFranchise, BLM, papachaz and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcons_time_is_now 11 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 id wait till round 2 and draft Kyle Trask..Same as Justin Fields..only reason why he was somewhat successful was because of the massive amount of talent around him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CraigSmackDaddy 2,072 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I believe MR2 has several years left in him. If at all possible I trade back this year and take his successor in the 2023 draft. RetroRoq 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JayOzOne 20,078 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Trade back, try to collect another second round pick this year and a first and a second next year. Then, package next year's two first round picks and possibly both of the second round picks to move up to get a QB in 2022. JohnnyFranchise 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geneaut 7,131 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) I don't get paid to do that stuff. We hired a bright young mind to answer that question. What I do know is many, many QBs not drafted at #4 have had successful NFL careers, and won numerous SBs. I imagine it can still be done. Edited February 23 by Geneaut Herr Doktor, RetroRoq and Atl Falcon 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CrimsonFalcon 4,168 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JayOzOne said: Trade back, try to collect another second round pick this year and a first and a second next year. Then, package next year's two first round picks and possibly both of the second round picks to move up to get a QB in 2022. You listened to locked on Falcons... To me taking a QB @4 this year is wasting a pick for a team that has holes and needs to build through the draft. Besides Bryce Young is our future QB Edited February 23 by CrimsonFalcon JayOzOne, JohnnyFranchise and papachaz 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alomar 279 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 hours ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: If we don't draft a QB at 4 this year what is your plan to replace Matt Ryan when he does retire? How and when would you go about finding his replacement? That is an easy question to answer. You trade down this year, getting more picks this year plus a first and second next year. You can use our 2 first round picks next year to trade up and get a QB if there is one there that we feel is a must have. If there isn't, we can trade down one of our firsts next year and get a second first round pick the year after...rinse and repeat until we have our replacement for when MR retires. My 2 cents... JohnnyFranchise and Herr Doktor 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malachore 9,470 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 You guys are so dead set on getting extra picks but forgetting you need a team willing to do it and also make it worthwhile. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Run 'n' Shoot 762 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 hours ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: Drew Brees replacement is a veteran QB. Not a rookie. Could happen for Matt Ryan. Yep, every year there's a bust from a previous draft getting run out of some other town. papachaz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clark Kent™ 4,535 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Obviously the most important issue is WHEN he will retire. Its clearly not right now. And imo, not for the next few years. So its hard to say. But if we say he is gonna retire in 3 years after his contract is up then I say we take a look at the QB's in the draft class that year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
papachaz 19,233 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 5 hours ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: If we don't draft a QB at 4 this year what is your plan to replace Matt Ryan when he does retire? How and when would you go about finding his replacement? all depends on when he's going to retire.....I personally think he has another 4 or 5 years left, with the proper build around him philosophy. I think you find your 'matt replacement' a year before and let him groom, then be ready to take over. You don't get that replacement to sit 2 or 3 years, and barring injury or a sudden 'Andrew Luck' retirement stunner, you don't wait until he's done and then hope you can draft a starting qb that upcoming draft. so if TF and AS think he has more than just next year left, no, you don't draft a qb at 4 who's sitting for most of his rookie contract, and have to renew him after he only has one year under his belt. Every year or every other year, there's a 'can't miss' prospect touted in the draft. Some one posted an article some weeks back, about even guys like the great Bill Walsh missing on who they said was the next 'can't miss'....the list of names on the team side and the qb's they lusted for was pretty astonishing really. I said that, to say, there's really very few 'sure thing' guys, but there are a lot of guys who look like the next sure thing, only they don't come close to living up to the hype RetroRoq 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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