FalconsIn2012 35,705 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 An interesting effort by PFF to quantify just how valuable quarterbacks are compared to the other positions. It’s why we would be foolish not to take a long look at Wilson or Fields at #4. No other position comes close Sidecar Falcon, blknoble357, Atl Falcon and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,705 Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 blknoble357 and Atl Falcon 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,633 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 What makes you think a rookie can overcome a crappy team? Heck Watson had a great season and he didn’t pull his team to better than 4-12. Do you think if this stat applies to Falcons? What about if the team doesn’t hit the QB. How about WAR when the said QB is back up for a year or two? Drunken Minotaur Zebra, Smiler11, JDaveG and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,633 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 minute ago, FalconsIn2012 said: Yeah. Brent Grimes has signed with Falcons in 2013 and went to multiple pro bowls as confirmed by DLED. JDaveG, tl;dr, 408Falcon and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,705 Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 People will be so in their feelings when we draft a QB at 4th overall this year. Cause Joel is 100% on point in the above tweet and he understands cap dynamics as well as most NFL GM’s blknoble357, Dirtier Bird, Sidecar Falcon and 4 others 2 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,633 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 minute ago, FalconsIn2012 said: People will be so in their feelings when we draft a QB at 4th overall this year. Cause Joel is 100% on point in the above tweet and he understands cap dynamics as well as most NFL GM’s Why is he not a GM? Ergo Proxy and Dem Birds 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyFranchise 2,655 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 that data shows that there is a bigger dropoff from starting qb's to their backups than starters at other positions to their backups. d-line the least important position in football? anybody watch the super bowl this year? Herr Doktor, Fleurieu falcon, FalconsIn2012 and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faithful Falcon 8,191 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, falcons007 said: What makes you think a rookie can overcome a crappy team? Heck Watson had a great season and he didn’t pull his team to better than 4-12. Do you think if this stat applies to Falcons? What about if the team doesn’t hit the QB. How about WAR when the said QB is back up for a year or two? Look bro, you guys got it twisted. Nobody thinks a rookies will come in, and automatically take us to a Super Bowl. Matt is making a killing, and right now, it's killing us. If someone is willing to make a trade for him and Julio, we would be stupid not to do it. It takes a lot more than bad play calling to make you finish 4-12, and to have 3 straight losing seasons. PointSwayzee, Cole World, Killing Floor and 7 others 3 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,633 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Joel Corey : You make the pick. Case Keenum as best signing for any one in 2018, AJ Bouyr as runner up or Patrick Robinson as Steal. I understand that every one misses but to claim a CBs analyst as better or equal to GM is crazy. I will just stop at this link, there are many boneheaded predictions by jC. He is much polite La Canfora his other CBS buddy. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-2017-nfl-contract-awards-feature-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/ JDaveG, Ergo Proxy and JohnnyFranchise 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,633 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 minutes ago, Faithful Falcon said: Look bro, you guys got it twisted. Nobody thinks a rookies will come in, and automatically take us to a Super Bowl. Matt is making a killing, and right now, it's killing us. If someone is willing to make a trade for him and Julio, we would be stupid not to do it. It takes a lot more than bad play calling to make you finish 4-12, and to have 3 straight losing seasons. Lol. Ok. Matt hardly accounted for 10% of the cap. No he wasn’t killing the team when they were losing. Ergo Proxy and Vandy 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jerz #GurleySZN 7,189 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 5 minutes ago, Faithful Falcon said: Look bro, you guys got it twisted. Nobody thinks a rookies will come in, and automatically take us to a Super Bowl. Matt is making a killing, and right now, it's killing us. If someone is willing to make a trade for him and Julio, we would be stupid not to do it. It takes a lot more than bad play calling to make you finish 4-12, and to have 3 straight losing seasons. It's amazing you even have to spell it out for him. This is simple to grasp but TATF has to exaggerate to have any semblance of a rebuttal. blknoble357 and Macknsweetjones 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jerz #GurleySZN 7,189 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 13 minutes ago, falcons007 said: What makes you think a rookie can overcome a crappy team? Heck Watson had a great season and he didn’t pull his team to better than 4-12. Do you think if this stat applies to Falcons? What about if the team doesn’t hit the QB. How about WAR when the said QB is back up for a year or two? Crappy team or crappy coaching? PokerSteve and blknoble357 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Knight of God 53,916 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 11 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said: People will be so in their feelings when we draft a QB at 4th overall this year. Cause Joel is 100% on point in the above tweet and he understands cap dynamics as well as most NFL GM’s Yeah, because we'll be in our feeling for years to come when we have to draft or sign another one. Haste makes waste. These guys you all like are avg at the NFL level. Ergo Proxy, anm263, Skeetbird and 13 others 5 8 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Macknsweetjones 1,701 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 4 minutes ago, Knight of God said: Yeah, because we'll be in our feeling for years to come when we have to draft or sign another one. Haste makes waste. These guys you all like are avg at the NFL level. You don’t know any of that, just a big assumption based on emotions And a rookie wouldn’t be taking over the team, a rookie would be getting groomed to take over a team in the future. Jerz #GurleySZN, D.B.N., blknoble357 and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,633 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 10 minutes ago, Jerz #GurleySZN said: Crappy team or crappy coaching? Both. This team has no starters at multiple positions. The good coaching can only go so far. Use the resources wisely and build a team. WB become plug and play. Ergo Proxy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1989Fan 16,119 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 25 minutes ago, falcons007 said: Why is he not a GM? falcons007 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mister pudding 3,396 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Projected 3rd ranked qb in this draft. Also, those WAR averages are for the top 10 qbs. Have one for all qbs drafted in top 5 over the last 10 years? Smiler11 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Bandana 340 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Justin fields gonna look good in a falcons jersey Atl Falcon, Jerz #GurleySZN, D.B.N. and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red falcon 4,968 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Faithful Falcon said: It takes a lot more than bad play calling to make you finish 4-12, and to have 3 straight losing seasons. Ouch that one hurts but i agree. blknoble357 and Atl Falcon 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atl Falcon 4,136 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Faithful Falcon said: Look bro, you guys got it twisted. Nobody thinks a rookies will come in, and automatically take us to a Super Bowl. Matt is making a killing, and right now, it's killing us. If someone is willing to make a trade for him and Julio, we would be stupid not to do it. It takes a lot more than bad play calling to make you finish 4-12, and to have 3 straight losing seasons. ^ here’s your sign for those who missed it Thank you...thank you very much! Maybe they’ll catch on... Jerz #GurleySZN 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 15,683 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 It took somebody else telling you that QB is the most important position on the field? This is the biggest 'no duh' stat ever. Ergo Proxy, MoFalconsFan56, CTann and 2 others 1 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atl Falcon 4,136 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Red Bandana said: Justin fields gonna look good in a falcons jersey I’d take him.....or I’d take Wilson and dance down Peach Street. IDK bout naked PokerSteve and blknoble357 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PokerSteve 27,986 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Macknsweetjones said: You don’t know any of that, just a big assumption based on emotions And a rookie wouldn’t be taking over the team, a rookie would be getting groomed to take over a team in the future. Agree. Multiple sources are saying at least three of the top five QB's slated to go high in the first round have the talent to be franchise quality. Here's just one thing I saw recently: Matt Miller of The Draft Scout spoke to a college scouting director that believes BYU's Zach Wilson, not Lawrence, is the best quarterback in this year's class. The scout even compared Wilson to former NFL MVP Patrick Mahomes: "What he does as a thrower and as a runner is exactly where we are as a league right now," the unnamed NFL scouting director said. "He throws some of those 50/50 balls with his shoulders square to the defense after running around in the pocket and I'm seeing Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech all over again." Miller isn't the only one coming to this conclusion. If knowledgeable people are comparing Zach Wilson to Patrick Mahomes, you know he's better than average in talent and potential. If we take him or Lance I'll be fine with it. Dirtier Bird, Jerz #GurleySZN, Atl Falcon and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesus 26,624 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 68 more days of this. Drvillain, Ergo Proxy, JDaveG and 9 others 4 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ergo Proxy 26,099 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 18 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: It took somebody else telling you that QB is the most important position on the field? This is the biggest 'no duh' stat ever. Like, why do people think the idea of trading down would be valuable to this team needing more players than a QB? That's the funny part. The mental gymnastics. JDaveG and Knight of God 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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