jidady Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, MilleniumFalcon said: 1st Round QB's still with their drafted team since 2017. 2017 Mitchell Trubisky (Chicago) Patrick Mahomes (KC) Deshaun Watson (Houston) 2018 Baker Mayfield (Cleveland) Sam Darnold (New York Jets) Josh Allen (Buffalo) Lamar Jackson (Baltimore) 2019 Kyler Murray (Arizona) Daniel Jones (New York Giants) 2020 Joe Burrow (Cincinnati) Tua Tagovailoa (Miami) Justin Herbert (San Diego) Jordan Love (Green Bay) Mahomes, Watson, Allen, Jackson, Murray, Burrow, Herbert seem like bonafide Franchise QB's. I understand the point you're trying to make but: 1) That's still only half from the recent list, and that's when we present the argument in the best possible light. 2) Wentz looked like a bonafide franchise QB after two years, too. The NFL doesn't work the way it did at the turn of the century. Guys like the Matts who play 10+ years for the same team are few and far between. To wit, out of that list, Watson wants out, Murray struggled mightily down the stretch, poor offensive line play got Burrow hurt, and Herbert went 2-9 after his 4-0 start. Not For Long has never been truer than it is right now. It's why I laugh when people talk about 10-year starters at LT or QB or any position really. Atlanta's got two of them, and that qualifies as an embarrassment of riches. Even then, the cap hits turn the blessings into something of a curse. Every yen in this league has a yang. The question we need to answer with this off-season is what makes the team better next year. The absolute best case scenario is that we can reasonable plot for three years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, MilleniumFalcon said: 1st Round QB's still with their drafted team since 2017. 2017 Mitchell Trubisky (Chicago) Patrick Mahomes (KC) Deshaun Watson (Houston) 2018 Baker Mayfield (Cleveland) Sam Darnold (New York Jets) Josh Allen (Buffalo) Lamar Jackson (Baltimore) 2019 Kyler Murray (Arizona) Daniel Jones (New York Giants) 2020 Joe Burrow (Cincinnati) Tua Tagovailoa (Miami) Justin Herbert (San Diego) Jordan Love (Green Bay) Mahomes, Watson, Allen, Jackson, Murray, Burrow, Herbert seem like bonafide Franchise QB's. You could have left 2019 and 2020 off your list. Of course those guys aren't going anywhere. C'mon man Trubisky, Watson, Darnold look to be on the way out. Pacific_Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Colts are gonna be looking to lock up Brissett again. VTCrunkler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celtiksage Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, kenn.junior said: Hurts was a rookie That is very true, and I agree that he should improve as he learns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, tl;dr said: Ehhh, half of the guys from 2017-19 weren’t great. Trubisky, Darnold, Rosen, Jones and Haskins aren’t very good. Baker is good, but I don’t know if I would say he is playing at a high level. I’m not so sure this past year was the best Josh Allen will ever be, and Lamar? Ehh. He showed again this year that he has issues as a passer, so I’ll be interested to see how long his legs can carry him. That leaves Kyler, Mahomes and Watson who are very good IMO. The funny part? Only one of them was taken in the top 10. And if you include Lamar and Allen in this conversation, only one was taken in the top 5. Taking a QB in the top 5 is overrated. People like Matt Ryan are the exception, not the standard I only counted the good ones. I overestimated, though. It’s 10 QB’s taken in 1st round since 2017 have been very solid (initially I said 11). I count Watson, Mahomes, Mayfield, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Murray & Darnold (he will be solid outside Gase tutelage) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 42 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: You could have left 2019 and 2020 off your list. Of course those guys aren't going anywhere. C'mon man Trubisky, Watson, Darnold look to be on the way out. You can’t really count Watson. He is a top 5 QB. Any team that drafted Wilson in the 1st round would consider it a great investment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said: You can’t really count Watson. He is a top 5 QB. Any team that drafted Wilson in the 1st round would consider it a great investment What does that have to do with what I'm saying and responding to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTCrunkler Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Espn radio just came out with a state: no QB a drafted from 2009-2016 are on their original team. qbs drafted since 09 include Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Josh Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, VTCrunkler said: Espn radio just came out with a state: no QB a drafted from 2009-2016 are on their original team. qbs drafted since 09 include Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Josh Freeman Jake Locker for Matt Ryan straight up falconsd56, VTCrunkler and UnrealfalcoN 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTCrunkler Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Jake Locker for Matt Ryan straight up Straight up now tell me Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, VTCrunkler said: Straight up now tell me Straight up dawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Jake Locker for Matt Ryan straight up Oh the glory of those days. Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTCrunkler Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Straight up dawg Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTCrunkler Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Jesus said: Colts are gonna be looking to lock up Brissett again. They need a backup badly Jesus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, falconsd56 said: Oh the glory of those days. A newb is going to look at that and curse me out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgsjw Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 7 hours ago, FentayeJones said: That must mean that some 2008 first round qb is with their original team. Wonder who that could be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamb Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 8 hours ago, ya_boi_j said: This is why it's difficult to have honest conversations. Folks like you call reality an excuse. Tom Brady wouldn't even have been able to win with all that went on in Philly last season. The fact that you ended with it being about Ryan not getting respect tells me everything I need to know. Appreciate it Tom brady wouldnt have won on his present team if the team wasnt as good as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Williamb said: Tom brady wouldnt have won on his present team if the team wasnt as good as it is. Thats cap. Hate him all you want but that’s big cap. He taught them how to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 40 minutes ago, dawgsjw said: That must mean that some 2008 first round qb is with their original team. Wonder who that could be? Chad Henne would have won the Super Bowl if Reid had put him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamb Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, ya_boi_j said: Thats cap. Hate him all you want but that’s big cap. He taught them how to win. Don't hate him at all. Greatest winner of our generation, but even by his standards he was average this year and that team that was built around him bailed him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, Williamb said: Don't hate him at all. Greatest winner of our generation, but even by his standards he was average this year and that team that was built around him bailed him out. Okey dokey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RING OF HONOR Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Williamb said: Don't hate him at all. Greatest winner of our generation, but even by his standards he was average this year and that team that was built around him bailed him out. I wouldn't say bailed him out.....they just helped him win....you know it's a team right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Williamb said: Don't hate him at all. Greatest winner of our generation, but even by his standards he was average this year and that team that was built around him bailed him out. He threw the 2nd most TDs and the 5th most yards of his entire 20 year career last year. Thats quite a bit above average even for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamb Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, RING OF HONOR said: I wouldn't say bailed him out.....they just helped him win....you know it's a team right? Exactly what I was saying. Their TEAM was an excellent one who should have been a winner even without brady. We need that type of team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamb Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: He threw the 2nd most TDs and the 5th most yards of his entire 20 year career last year. Thats quite a bit above average even for him. Oh please man, go to work for twitter with your fact checks. Gronk, evans, godwin, ab, fournette, jones, and the other te whose name escapes me all to throw to. Then that defense. Like I've said before, napolean dynamites uncle could have been successful with that team. That's why i argue that we should avoid a new qb, and build a formidable team first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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