Dr Long Shot Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 24 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: So the fact that they suffered major injuries from important positions mean absolutely nothing? PFF isn't important to me, I'm sure you know that. Now had Matt Ryan had that type of season while losing so many key contributors, the realists would be defending him and pointing that out, we've seen it. Wentz should get that too. I don't think Wentz is as bad as he played last year, but Ryan has been in worse situations in the past and never performed as poorly as Wentz did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Ringz. You're my man 40 grand. We are strictly talking about last season. Did ALL of those injuries to their offense play a major factor in his success last season or not. Yes or no. Please be honest. If you aren't familiar with exactly who all he lost last season check it out before you reply. He literally had nothing. Oh I know man, it’s not personal at all. I’m not upset or anything. To answer your question, Yes injuries did, I’m not saying it didn’t. He regressed and is 100% part of it. But it’s not all of it. When he had a clean pocket and receivers were open, he didn’t place the ball accurately. Was it a confidence thing and seeing ghosts because he was the sixth most QB last year? Maybe. However in 19 had the fifth most snaps out of a clean pocket and was 17th in accuracy. I’m just not a fan personally, think he is overrated on one solid year that was a fluke to me in an offense that made nick foles look like a super star. Could that be repeated in Indy? Possibly. But if you have the ability from coaching and scheme to make Foles outplay Tom Brady, why are you paying that much for Wentz? Tribal Chief, HASHBROWN3 and ATLskinjob 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, xSICKxWITHxITx said: Mack is a FA. Just now, DonOfThemBirds said: Wow, didn't know he's an FA. Mack is really good. They got enough to pay him lol. DonDaLuvMaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonobeast Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I predicted this back as soon as he was benched. He would be a Colt this year. Ryan needs a dome to play in, warm weather. Arm has regressed. But Brady's suddenly got stronger this year. Maybe Ryan needs to take or do whatever Brady is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuTsu Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, Gonobeast said: I predicted this back as soon as he was benched. He would be a Colt this year. Ryan needs a dome to play in, warm weather. Arm has regressed. But Brady's suddenly got stronger this year. Maybe Ryan needs to take or do whatever Brady is doing. Brady is an outlier of an athlete what other QB was playing to his age and still looking good out there? Just a rare case of man quite literally being built different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, Rings said: Yes it did, I’m not saying it didn’t. He regressed and is 100% part of it. But it’s not all of it. When he had a clean pocket and receivers were open, he didn’t place the ball accurately. Was it a confidence thing and seeing ghosts because he was the sixth most QB last year? Maybe. However in 19 had the fifth most snaps out of a clean pocket and was 17th in accuracy. I’m just not a fan personally, think he is overrated on one solid year that was a fluke to me in an offense that made nick foles look like a super star. Could that be repeated in Indy? Possibly. But if you have the ability from coaching and scheme to make Foles outplay Tom Brady, why are you paying that much for Wentz? It's the old school way of running an org. When you move heaven and earth for a player, you try to keep him to justify the picks. For what they are giving up, it's worlds better than 2 first rounders for Stafford who has done NOTHING but be a stat machine. Wentz isn't horrible. He's had a run of bad luck the past few years. Season before last those receivers weren't catching a sloth. Last season it was all of the major injuries, especially Jason Peters. Ertz was pretty much all he had and he was playing hurt. That's not a good situation for any quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HASHBROWN3 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 The Eagles had their problems for sure. And injuries & such played a role in it. But Carson Wentz needed a change of venue from that Philly crap hole. I saw a guy who was not helping himself on the field at all despite all the crap around him. He was literally getting progressively worse & I think much of it was his fault not being able to overcome the adversity. Having said that, I hope the guy gets his mojo back in Indianapolis where he has a nice Oline now & can rekindle who he was when he came onto the scene in Philly. celtiksage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonDaLuvMaker Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, ya_boi_j said: They got enough to pay him lol. Hope they do. Colts aren't that far off from being a serious SB contender if they can get a little bit more solid QB play than what Rivers provided last season, then the Colts can be up there with the Bills and Chiefs in the AFC. Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dr Long Shot said: I don't think Wentz is as bad as he played last year, but Ryan has been in worse situations in the past and never performed as poorly as Wentz did last year. Let's keep it a buck. At most Ryan lost Roddy and Julio at the same time but his line was intact. Wentz lost everyone except Ertz. Who had the worst situation? Remember Wentz never even had superstars to begin with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, DonOfThemBirds said: Hope they do. Colts aren't that far off from being a serious SB contender if they can get a little bit more solid QB play than what Rivers provided last season, then the Colts can be up there with the Bills and Chiefs in the AFC. Let them **** around and get better on defense DonDaLuvMaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 21 minutes ago, jidady said: Yeah, the picks Philly just got are ones they will use to move up from #6. Hopefully to 4 jidady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Kent™ Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Yeah I think it makes more sense for them to draft a QB than us if they even somewhat iffy on Hurts because if they do, their QB can compete with Hurts and the winner gets the job. And Hurts is on a cheap contract. Not to mention now they have an extra 3rd this year and a more than likely 1st next year to use as trade up ammo. celtiksage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSICKxWITHxITx Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: They got enough to pay him lol. I bet they ride their rookie from last year. If we are looking for a vet Mack could be a cheap 1 year option coming off an injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said: Hope they do. Colts aren't that far off from being a serious SB contender if they can get a little bit more solid QB play than what Rivers provided last season, then the Colts can be up there with the Bills and Chiefs in the AFC. I am sure they would like to keep him around, but they are in a good position regardless with Jonathan Taylor playing really well as a rookie. (Almost 1200 rush yards and 11 TDs) DonDaLuvMaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigerfan Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 This is a trade that should work out for the Colts and allow the Eagles to save face especially if Wentz hits the escalators. Eagles needed to make the best of a bad situation and I think they succeeded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, xSICKxWITHxITx said: I bet they ride their rookie from last year. If we are looking for a vet Mack could be a cheap 1 year option coming off an injury. That's if Mack would want to leave what he has there. On paper, Indy is the better situation, even if he has to split carries. Unless he thinks he is a full time starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Let's keep it a buck. At most Ryan lost Roddy and Julio at the same time but his line was intact. Wentz lost everyone except Ertz. Who had the worst situation? Remember Wentz never even had superstars to begin with You could be 100% right, and you know me, I will gladly eat crow if Wentz goes off this year, I just see it as a desperation move and think they regret it in the long run. Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 That means we trade Ryan to PHI and draft a QB at 4 and another at 6 just to be safe. 😁 seriously though, PHI can’t be 100% sold on Hurts, he ended the year playing pretty bad. He had shown serious flashed and serious flops...it will be interesting to see what they do. Clark Kent™ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Kent™ Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I like this trade for both sides. I do think Wentz is gonna do well for Indy. And that 2nd rounder is gonna turn into a 1st for the Iggles. I don't think they are all in on Hurts (they shouldn't be yet) and could use that 3rd this year to move up a few spots if they want. We really need to put out some smoke screens about how much we want a QB at #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus_Cr1m35 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I was assured by the GMs on TATF that Wentz wasn't going anywhere. I was told that the reason Pederson left was because the Eagles ownership was tied to Wentz forever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, Rings said: You could be 100% right, and you know me, I will gladly eat crow if Wentz goes off this year, I just see it as a desperation move and think they regret it in the long run. They wanted a veteran and for the price they are paying, do you think there was a better choice? Trubisky sucks. Could have tried Green Bay up for Aaron but that wasn't going to happen. Jameis isn't proven to be successful. Minchew had a run for a few weeks but hasn't done anything special outside of that. Foles is extremely overrated imo. I can't think of any other realistic options outside of Brissett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, ya_boi_j said: This might be the perfect situation for Wentz Very true. He could not have gone to a better situation. Tribal Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rings Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: They wanted a veteran and for the price they are paying, do you think there was a better choice? Trubisky sucks. Could have tried Green Bay up for Aaron but that wasn't going to happen. Jameis isn't proven to be successful. Minchew had a run for a few weeks but hasn't done anything special outside of that. Foles is extremely overrated imo. I can't think of any other realistic options outside of Brissett I’d have made a push for Carr, and I would take Winston over Wentz myself. ****, I’d pay pennies for Cam over what they gave up for Wentz, and I am not a fan of Cam at all. Tribal Chief and ATLskinjob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Let's keep it a buck. At most Ryan lost Roddy and Julio at the same time but his line was intact. Wentz lost everyone except Ertz. Who had the worst situation? Remember Wentz never even had superstars to begin with in 2013 His line was "intact" but it was argueably the worst line in football. He was throwing to Harry Douglass as his number 1 WR with a line of Holmes, Reynolds, Konz, Blalock and Trueblood with Koetter as OC. Trueblood, Holmes and Konz never started a single game after 2013, Reynolds started 14 games total after 2013 before retiring. They ranked dead last in every single metric for rushing offense and bottom ten in every metric for pass protection. I guess it's not hands down a worse situation than the Eagles but definitely comparable, and Ryan put up 4500 yards and 26 tds for a 90/ 67.5 QBR. So no, at no point in his career was Ryan anywhere near as bad as Wentz was last year. I do expect Wentz to bounce back in a fairly solid Colts offense but I don't think he is the MVP caliber player he looked like that one year in Philly either. Tribal Chief, ATLskinjob, celtiksage and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, Dr Long Shot said: in 2013 His line was "intact" but it was argueably the worst line in football. He was throwing to Harry Douglass as his number 1 WR with a line of Holmes, Reynolds, Konz, Blalock and Trueblood with Koetter as OC. Trueblood, Holmes and Konz never started a single game after 2013, Reynolds started 14 games total after 2013 before retiring. They ranked dead last in every single metric for rushing offense and bottom ten in every metric for pass protection. I guess it's not hands down a worse situation than the Eagles but definitely comparable, and Ryan put up 4500 yards and 26 tds for a 90/ 67.5 QBR. So no, at no point in his career was Ryan anywhere near as bad as Wentz was last year. I do expect Wentz to bounce back in a fairly solid Colts offense but I don't think he is the MVP caliber player he looked like that one year in Philly either. All he has to do is not play hero ball and manage the game. I think he can do that. Heck T.Y. alone is better than any receiver he ever had on Philly lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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