Sipifalcon 2,025 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 **** egoprime II 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 8,026 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 minute ago, ya_boi_j said: You really have to take the situation in Philly into consideration. Dudes receiving corp and parts of oline was injured dam near the whole season. He wasn't terrible just to be terrible I get it, but he’s literally had one good season, and he didn’t even finish that season out because of injury. I’d rather use that draft capital to move up to get a rookie this year than think I could revive his career. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blknoble357 183 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 4 minutes ago, celtiksage said: My question is does Philly now trade up for a QB, stay where they are and take Lance (or someone else) or trade back because they got more holes than a cheese grader? Haha They have Jalen Hurts, why trade up for a QB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egoprime II 2,890 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 9 minutes ago, Ghosts of Glanville said: This news will send TATF schizophrenia into orbit. . . . ”Demand at least 4 firsts for our aging, overpaid, noodle-armed statue of a quarterback” Ok, you convinced me. We should only ask for -three- firsts...... 🙄 NashvilleFalcon01 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wnyfalconfan 359 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 minutes ago, Dem Birds said: All true, but to play devils advocate he's far younger and has a history with their coach. I wouldn't be surprised if the only thing keeping Ryan here this year is the dead cap. We obviously could load up moving him. The Eagles have one of the worst cap situations in the league. Its almost as bad as the Saints. Now they have 34 million in dead cap to deal with. The Falcons could have moved Ryan at any point and just eaten the cap hit. If anything, this shows that its likely that Fontenot and Smith believe they can win quickly with Ryan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 69,322 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Just now, Rings said: I get it, but he’s literally had one good season, and he didn’t even finish that season out because of injury. I’d rather use that draft capital to move up to get a rookie this year than think I could revive his career. I get all that but you can't just say he was the worst in the league last year and not point out why he was the worst. Anyone who doesn't follow would just assume everyone was healthy blknoble357 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 8,026 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 minutes ago, FentayeJones said: Couldn’t go back to 08 because Ryan is still here. But remember that when people think this QB class is different. Majority of those QBs were thought to be really good as well. Taking a QB isn’t automatic, there are a ton more misses than hits, even in the first. My guess is if five QBs go in the first this year, one will be really good, one will be middle of the pack and the other three with be busts. That said I’d still take a shot on them if I’m the colts vs trading for Wentz. ATLskinjob, Ghosts of Glanville, raysnill1 and 6 others 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
egoprime II 2,890 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 10 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said: Eagles had to come to terms that Wentz wasn't that valuable. Conditional trade...... I wonder what conditions have to be met, for Philly to upgrade to Indy's 1st rounder...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blknoble357 183 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 11 minutes ago, Goober Pyle said: **** what is the dead money for Ryan again in both 2021 and 2022? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jidady 11,055 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 minutes ago, Rings said: They could have moved up in the draft and taken a rookie with more upside than Wentz and for a lot cheaper for the same amount they gave up for him. Yeah, this is Frank Reich saying that he's better at coaching than the people who were calling the plays in Philly after he left. It's a bold move full of coaching ego. DriveHomeSafelyAtlantaWins, ATLskinjob, blknoble357 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
youngbloodz 16,656 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 12 minutes ago, Goober Pyle said: And Houston will eat more than that when they trade Watson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lornoth 12,306 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Weird how all these teams keep giving up valuable draft picks for QB's when there's no fewer than 5 guaranteed HoF'ers in this draft class. JohnnyFranchise, 1989Fan, Dr Long Shot and 9 others 3 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghosts of Glanville 3,599 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 minute ago, Lornoth said: Weird how all these teams keep giving up valuable draft picks for QB's when there's no fewer than 5 guaranteed HoF'ers in this draft class. Yeah, I heard whatever teams draft Wilson or Fields automatically receive three Lombardi trophies at the podium JohnnyFranchise, jidady, Run 'n' Shoot and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
celtiksage 3,471 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 7 minutes ago, blknoble357 said: They have Jalen Hurts, why trade up for a QB Cuz Hurts was as bad as Wentz. 1989Fan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonOfThemBirds 19,756 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 minutes ago, egoprime II said: Conditional trade...... I wonder what conditions have to be met, for Philly to upgrade to Indy's 1st rounder...... Probably a mixture of stats, Pro Bowl honors, and games played. egoprime II 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
celtiksage 3,471 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 5 minutes ago, egoprime II said: Conditional trade...... I wonder what conditions have to be met, for Philly to upgrade to Indy's 1st rounder...... I know. It could just as well be a 3rd as a first. Who knows. egoprime II 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raysnill1 12,201 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 17 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said: Eagles had to come to terms that Wentz wasn't that valuable. but he got the coach that won them a Super Bowl fired, then bounced lol DonOfThemBirds 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blknoble357 183 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 5 minutes ago, wnyfalconfan said: The Eagles have one of the worst cap situations in the league. Its almost as bad as the Saints. Now they have 34 million in dead cap to deal with. The Falcons could have moved Ryan at any point and just eaten the cap hit. If anything, this shows that its likely that Fontenot and Smith believe they can win quickly with Ryan. Could be true but to play devil's advocate, maybe they are wait to see how the market shake up. March 1st is around the corner. With this Wentz trade, some teams may see this as Philly may move up to take a QB; they have just added pressure to every team drafting in the Top 5 or 10 wnyfalconfan and alexhead97 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SavvyFalcon89 4,824 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 8 minutes ago, egoprime II said: Conditional trade...... I wonder what conditions have to be met, for Philly to upgrade to Indy's 1st rounder...... The pick could become a first-rounder if Wentz plays at least 70% of the snaps and the Colts reach the playoffs According to ESPN and few other sources egoprime II 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blknoble357 183 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, celtiksage said: Cuz Hurts was as bad as Wentz. So why didnt they replace Hurts with Wentz when he was bad? BamaBirdLady 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya_boi_j 69,322 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Just now, celtiksage said: Cuz Hurts was as bad as Wentz. Am I the only one looking at how bad Philly's offensive situation was last year. Wentz was dang near one of literally a couple if not the only starter that stated healthy JohnnyFranchise 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 8,026 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 10 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: I get all that but you can't just say he was the worst in the league last year and not point out why he was the worst. Anyone who doesn't follow would just assume everyone was healthy From a clean pocket Wentz was dead last in regular and adjusted completion % out of 29 qualifying QBs. PFF had him only above Darnold and Nick Mullens in their passing grade (for what it’s worth). Yes there were issues around him, but when things did go well or hold up, he didn’t take advantage of it and played really bad. I’m just saying, that’s a lot to give up for someone who has shown a high ceiling for part of one season and pretty mediocre to bad the rest of his career for what his avg salary will be. I would go a different route personally. falcons007 and HASHBROWN3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 8,026 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 minutes ago, celtiksage said: Cuz Hurts was as bad as Wentz. Don’t tell Philly fans that. celtiksage 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
celtiksage 3,471 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, blknoble357 said: So why didnt they replace Hurts with Wentz when he was bad? Cuz Wentz sucked slightly more. They did replace them both with a 3rd stringer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blknoble357 183 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Just now, celtiksage said: Cuz Wentz sucked slightly more. They did replace them both with a 3rd stringer. Dont remember but okay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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