Falcons Fan MVP 3,929 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) It worked out great for Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers. It's a real possibility since Terry Fontenont said something about addressing biggest needs in free agency. Edited February 18 by Falcons Fan MVP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UnrealfalcoN 4,176 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Trey Lance please English Falcon44, Sidecar Falcon and Falcons Fan MVP 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 7,443 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 No. Your examples were in the old CBA, completely different times then. It makes no sense in today’s world to draft any first rounder and sit them for two years, let alone three. And if we stay put and draft someone at four, it makes no sense to sit them even a year. When’s the last QB taken top five that sat his entire first year? It doesn’t happen for a reason. Even all those bad teams picking in those spots understand that. red falcon, Clark Kent™, Borat and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcons Fan MVP 3,929 Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 8 minutes ago, Rings said: No. Your examples were in the old CBA, completely different times then. It makes no sense in today’s world to draft any first rounder and sit them for two years, let alone three. And if we stay put and draft someone at four, it makes no sense to sit them even a year. When’s the last QB taken top five that sat his entire first year? It doesn’t happen for a reason. Even all those bad teams picking in those spots understand that. My dream scenerio would be trading back in round 1 and picking up Mac Jones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xSICKxWITHxITx 3,540 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 10 minutes ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: My dream scenerio would be trading back in round 1 and picking up Mac Jones. Matt will out play Mac over the next 5 years so what’s the point. Get a QB in 2-4 years late first. Borat, Falcons Fan MVP, RetroRoq and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonOfThemBirds 19,028 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: It worked out great for Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers. It's a real possibility since Terry Fontenont said something about addressing biggest needs in free agency. Steve Young was a different situation. Young was looked at as a bust when he played for the Bucs before backing up Montana and learning under Walsh. He was more of a reclamation project and wasn't a player drafted to groom. RetroRoq, Ghosts of Glanville, arrogantBEAST and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herr Doktor 8,278 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I'd love to see Arthur Smith's assessment/scouting reports for the top 10 QBs. JohnnyFranchise, JDaveG and Falcons Fan MVP 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 7,443 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 20 minutes ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: My dream scenerio would be trading back in round 1 and picking up Mac Jones. Why? We know Ryan is starting this coming year, he is more than likely starting the following year, they may even extended him to help with his cap hit. Is it a given that Ryan will play into his 40’s? Probably not. Is it time to start thinking about the future? Yes. Is it time to pull the trigger and have that QB sit on the bench when it’s all but guaranteed you waste half of his cheap rookie contract, which is the biggest benefit of having a rookie QB? No. Ryan won’t be here forever, and whether you like Ryan or not, it’s too early to address his replacement in this draft given Ryan’s cap hit the next two years. And sitting anyone for three years that you take in the first round is just absurd. They would be negotiating a second contract before their first start. Ghosts of Glanville, Herr Doktor, Falcon fan 4 ever and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,245 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 52 minutes ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: It worked out great for Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers. It's a real possibility since Terry Fontenont said something about addressing biggest needs in free agency. 45 minutes ago, Rings said: No. Your examples were in the old CBA, completely different times then. It makes no sense in today’s world to draft any first rounder and sit them for two years, let alone three. And if we stay put and draft someone at four, it makes no sense to sit them even a year. When’s the last QB taken top five that sat his entire first year? It doesn’t happen for a reason. Even all those bad teams picking in those spots understand that. Yep. Tired of lazy examples or folks who never lived through those moments. Young was traded as back up from Tampa. IIRC Niners gave up a second round or something like that for Him. Rodgers situation is entirely different. GB needed a QB in 2005, after Favre went in to off season with out commitment and said it was year to year for him. Rings and DonOfThemBirds 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 7,443 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Just now, falcons007 said: Yep. Tired of lazy examples or folks who never lived through those moments. Young was traded as back up from Tampa. IIRC Niners gave up a second round or something like that for Him. Rodgers situation is entirely different. GB needed a QB in 2005, after Favre went to off season with out commitment and said it was year to year for him. Exactly. If Ryan was threatening retirement for multiple seasons than this would make sense. He isn’t. Not once. JDaveG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nevesmetro 58 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 AS/TF either think They can win with Matt under centre or they don't. If they do then you use the 4th pick to help the team win and address the QB somewhere down the line. If they don't then you take a QB and figure out how best to get Matt out of here. To me you don't have a plan to win with Matt and then take a QB to sit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 26,507 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 You can't burn a top 5 pick on a guy that intentionally will not see the field for 2 or 3 years. Wardog357 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonOfThemBirds 19,028 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 15 minutes ago, falcons007 said: Yep. Tired of lazy examples or folks who never lived through those moments. Young was traded as back up from Tampa. IIRC Niners gave up a second round or something like that for Him. Rodgers situation is entirely different. GB needed a QB in 2005, after Favre went to off season with out commitment and said it was year to year for him. Yep, exactly. Different situations based on the time and circumstances. As for Young, people tend to forget he was a starting QB on the pro level in the USFL and the Bucs before backing up and taking over after Montana with Niners. Although the first 2 was very short lived, he wasn't a QB that the Niners drafted to replace Montana. Young was more of a reclamation project by Walsh. Don't understand why that part of Young's career is so often forgotten by many. I remember it so easily. falcons007 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wardog357 2,192 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 15 minutes ago, falconsd56 said: You can't burn a top 5 pick on a guy that intentionally will not see the field for 2 or 3 years. You are right, I wouldnt draft within top 5 and expect them to sit for more than 1 year. And even if we pick up one later 1st or early second, I wouldnt expect him to sit no more than 2 years. Anything longer would be late 3rd or deeper in the draft. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mister pudding 3,271 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Yes, and his name is Kurt Benkert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jidady 10,365 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I say we spend the #4 overall pick on a QB but then never start him. Nobody will ever expect that! RetroRoq 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,245 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 22 minutes ago, DonOfThemBirds said: Yep, exactly. Different situations based on the time and circumstances. As for Young, people tend to forget he was a starting QB on the pro level in the USFL and the Bucs before backing up and taking over after Montana with Niners. Although the first 2 was very short lived, he wasn't a QB that the Niners drafted to replace Montana. Young was more of a reclamation project by Walsh. Don't understand why that part of Young's career is so often forgotten by many. I remember it so easily. We are showing our age. Lol. Ironically Favre was a reclamation project for GB. Favre would have been out of the league in couple of years if he stayed with Falcons. I forgot about The short lived USFL. Herschel Walker played in USFL too. DonOfThemBirds and RetroRoq 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RetroRoq 622 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 TF has been plucking veteran backups off the waiver wire and late trades practically every offseason for the past 20 years and has been successful at it. When he says BPA in the draft, he is not talking about a 3-4 year backup. Which accessible QB in this draft has the skillset to take this job from Ryan in the next 2 years? Falcons Fan MVP and JohnnyFranchise 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HASHBROWN3 17,752 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 TBH, and it's JMO, I sure hope we don't pick up Mac Jones... I mean geesh, I just want to have a bit more playmaking ability with our next QB and that means mobility & athleticism. Statue Mac just ain't ringing my bell LOL. But for some reason, his name keeps regurgitating itself on the board. I guess I would be disappointed is what I am trying to say. Just ready for more dynamics from the next choice at QB. Now he might be a good leader, good passer etc... but I am hoping for that & more with the next one I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monolith2001 5,046 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) I totally get why people want to draft a QB early but just feels like we are trading this year's first rounder to 2022, 2023 or 2024 with no compensation and no assurance he would work out. For three years, if he did pan out, you only have one year before he becomes crazy expensive. While I have a higher opinion of Mac Jones after watching film, (top 15 but my #4 QB behind TL,ZW and JF), we don't need him either. I say trade back, get a player who can help the team now and pick up an early 2nd. Grab a QB in the 3rd or 4th who has traits and can come in and learn to be Arthur Smith's system and siphon some of Matt's experience. Heck I actually think Benkert could be really good in Smith's system. Edited February 18 by Monolith2001 Falcons Fan MVP and nevesmetro 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcons Fan MVP 3,929 Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, Rings said: Why? We know Ryan is starting this coming year, he is more than likely starting the following year, they may even extended him to help with his cap hit. Is it a given that Ryan will play into his 40’s? Probably not. Is it time to start thinking about the future? Yes. Is it time to pull the trigger and have that QB sit on the bench when it’s all but guaranteed you waste half of his cheap rookie contract, which is the biggest benefit of having a rookie QB? No. Ryan won’t be here forever, and whether you like Ryan or not, it’s too early to address his replacement in this draft given Ryan’s cap hit the next two years. And sitting anyone for three years that you take in the first round is just absurd. They would be negotiating a second contract before their first start. I guess it depends if AS and TF feel they can find our future QB in a late first round pick in the next couple of years vs the early pick this year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcons Fan MVP 3,929 Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 23 minutes ago, Monolith2001 said: Heck I actually think Benkert could be really good in Smith's system. That would be nice if our future QB was already on the roster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rings 7,443 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 6 minutes ago, Falcons Fan MVP said: I guess it depends if AS and TF feel they can find our future QB in a late first round pick in the next couple of years vs the early pick this year. It’s so hard to tell year to year. No one was talking about Joe Burrow this time two years ago and then he’s the obvious #1 overall pick the following draft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
athell 32,520 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Lmao some of you all need to stop with the nonsense Quote Link to post Share on other sites
athell 32,520 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Waste 3 of rookie qb contract years for...reasons...lol just stop Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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