Goober Pyle 7,251 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 *****Full Disclosure - Not in favor of a QB at #4...Not not in favor of a QB at #4...or any other spot. This is for education purposes only....also to stir **** up.......***** by Matt Miller for The Draft Scout This is a free sneak peek to the first Scouting Notebook at The Draft Scout. This weekly column will be provided for paying subscribers as a perk for their membership. If you’ve waited to subscribe, hop in now to never miss a post or an event—like our next Member Mock Drafts happening February 22 where you can control your favorite NFL team in a two-round mock. You think you know who the No. 1 quarterback in the 2021 NFL draft class is, but does everyone agree with you? We’ve been told for three years that Clemson’s Trevor Lawrence is a football god, sure-fire first overall pick and the best prospect since at least Andrew Luck and maybe since Peyton Manning. Lawrence is QB1. Or at least that’s what we’ve all been told and all kind of go along with. He’s great. Generational, maybe. But not everyone sees it this way. In fact, as NFL scouting departments meet to stack their draft boards and discuss the upcoming class, at least one team has Lawrence as QB2. So who the **** is their QB1? BYU’s Zach Wilson. “What he does as a thrower, and as a runner, is exactly where we are as a league right now. He throws some of those 50/50 balls with his shoulders square to the defense after running around in the pocket and I’m seeing Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech all over again.” — NFL College Scouting Director Wilson, a three-year starter at BYU, improved each year in Provo; going from 11 touchdowns as a freshman to 33 as a junior while becoming one of the most electric players in college football. A switch was seemingly flipped for Wilson, with the help of offensive coordinator Jeff Grimes (now at Baylor) as he combined to put 43 touchdowns on the board (10 on the ground) and limited his interceptions to just three after tossing nine in his 2019 sophomore season. Wilson’s rise is not that different from Baker Mayfield (2018), Kyler Murray (2019) and even Joe Burrow (2020). His talent was known to the football world, but things came together for him in his third year as a starter. Football slowed down and his natural talents and tools took over. But enough to replace Lawrence as the top quarterback in the class? For at least one team, that’s the case. And maybe this is a club knowing they won’t have the opportunity to draft Lawrence so they’ve already mentally moved on to the next-best thing, but the more scouts talk about Wilson the more love you hear for his game. Even if it’s something like him being QB1. When talking about Wilson, there is one recent thing that must be addressed. ESPN’s Todd McShay—who does a wonderful job and is a trailblazer in this industry—said on the network’s Get Up program that Wilson wasn’t a captain at BYU. The only thing is, Wilson was a captain. This may be a situation of more context being needed, as Wilson was not initially voted as a captain, according to a source with the program, but would go on to earn that title. It’s right there in the photos. It’s all over the game film. Wilson with a “C” on his chest. It is silly season in the NFL, though, and no doubt McShay was told by someone he trusts, “hey, did you know Zach Wilson wasn’t voted a captain?” And, while technically true, more information was needed since a comment like that can damage the reputation and draft stock of a player. After all, we don’t want to spend the next two months wondering which teammates attended Wilson’s birthday party. https://www.thedraftscout.com/p/scouting-notebook-sneak-peek vafalconfan, FalconsIn2012, The Great American and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HASHBROWN3 17,735 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 C'mon McShay! what the heck is wrong with you man! PokerSteve 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jidady 10,356 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Yes, everyone should love Wilson so much that if he's on the board at #4, they should give up numerous picks to trade with the Falcons! JohnnyFranchise, falconsd56, celtiksage and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herr Doktor 8,164 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 In a month, Fields will get QB 1 rumors. The week before the draft, Lance will get the nod. And on draft day "With the first pick in the 2021 NFL draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select Trevor Lawrence, Quarterback, Clemson University." Cheyakita, thanat0s, Geneaut and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaJoe 3,233 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Is it draft day yet? Run 'n' Shoot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atl Falcon 4,076 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Don’t think Wilson will be there at 4. If he is it’d be hard to pass on him the way he can throw and throw on the run. It’d really suck to pass on he or Fields knowing they could turn out to be the next Mahomes Rodgers or Russell Wilson especially with a possibly declining 36 yr old QB on your current roster. TF and AS are going to want a franchise QB to lead during their era. I don’t see how anyone could blame them. campdirtybirdz and PokerSteve 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geneaut 7,131 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 The smoke begins .... PokerSteve, wnyfalconfan and blknoble357 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,703 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 He is the 2nd most impactful prospect in the draft IMO. Would love for him to be there at 4th overall but it seems unlikely PokerSteve and Atl Falcon 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
athell 32,504 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Hope Zach is there at 4. All the Zach stans will get so excited. Then I hope we trade the pick for a haul and someone else drafts him. Dream scenario. MattM12, wnyfalconfan, celtiksage and 8 others 5 1 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
athell 32,504 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 37 minutes ago, Atl Falcon said: Don’t think Wilson will be there at 4. If he is it’d be hard to pass on him the way he can throw and throw on the run. It’d really suck to pass on he or Fields knowing they could turn out to be the next Mahomes Rodgers or Russell Wilson especially with a possibly declining 36 yr old QB on your current roster. TF and AS are going to want a franchise QB to lead during their era. I don’t see how anyone could blame them. Stop with the Mahomes and Rodgers comparisons. They are ridiculous. He is much more likely to be Manziel than he is Mahomes. ya_boi_j and JD dirtybird21 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesus 26,420 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 26 minutes ago, athell said: Stop with the Mahomes and Rodgers comparisons. They are ridiculous. He is much more likely to be Manziel than he is Mahomes. People forget that Manziel put up monster numbers in the SEC including two huge games and a win against #1 Alabama. athell 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
athell 32,504 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, Jesus said: People forget that Manziel put up monster numbers in the SEC including two huge games and a win against #1 Alabama. Exactly! Every year it's SO AND SO IS THE NEXT SUCH AND SUCH! It's ridiculous...these people are worse than weathermen with the amount of times they are wrong on prospects. How about you let them play a snap before comparing them to all time greats lol. Or the fact that Mahomes and Rodgers are generational Hall of Fame talents that people think just grow on trees lol...if only it were that easy. JDaveG, Jesus and MSalmon 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,137 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, athell said: Exactly! Every year it's SO AND SO IS THE NEXT SUCH AND SUCH! It's ridiculous...these people are worse than weathermen with the amount of times they are wrong on prospects. Or the fact that Mahomes and Rodgers are generational Hall of Fame talents that people think just grow on trees lol...if only it were that easy. But but I saw that one YouTube video.... celtiksage, athell and Run 'n' Shoot 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
athell 32,504 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, falcons007 said: But but I saw that one YouTube video.... And that one guy who is wrong 70% of the time said he was gonna be the next Mahomes! Gimme a break. We hear this same garbage year in and year out because QB is what draws the attention. This is all hype for the draft more than it is hype for a player. And every year people fall for it. falcons007 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kiwifalcon 19,714 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, HASHBROWN3 said: C'mon McShay! what the heck is wrong with you man! McShay needs that Bill Polian moment a few years back. Argh no Todd that’s not how I see that pick and talent at all I’m sorry 😂 HASHBROWN3 and falcons007 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,137 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 9 minutes ago, athell said: And that one guy who is wrong 70% of the time said he was gonna be the next Mahomes! Gimme a break. We hear this same garbage year in and year out because QB is what draws the attention. This is all hype for the draft more than it is hype for a player. And every year people fall for it. Every year. It’s like there won’t be good QB any more ever. Lol wnyfalconfan and athell 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodge_birds_fan 1,865 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 37 minutes ago, athell said: And that one guy who is wrong 70% of the time said he was gonna be the next Mahomes! Gimme a break. We hear this same garbage year in and year out because QB is what draws the attention. This is all hype for the draft more than it is hype for a player. And every year people fall for it. They clearly we're the best 3rd string middle school QB in their district, so I trust their ability to evaluate talent.... falcons007 and athell 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atl Falcon 4,076 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, athell said: Hope Zach is there at 4. All the Zach stans will get so excited. Then I hope we trade the pick for a haul and someone else drafts him. Dream scenario. Nightmare scenario will be he turns out to a HOF like Brett Farve and win SBs. Be careful what you dream for🤫 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
athell 32,504 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, Atl Falcon said: Nightmare scenario will be he turns out to a HOF like Brett Farve and win SBs. Be careful what you dream for🤫 You are stanning Mitch Trubisky. Maybe you don't have the eye for QBs you think you do... And just lol at the HoF scenario. You all love buying into the media hype it's hilarious! Run 'n' Shoot and celtiksage 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atl Falcon 4,076 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, athell said: You are stanning Mitch Trubisky. Maybe you don't have the eye for QBs you think you do... And just lol at the HoF scenario. You all love buying into the media hype it's hilarious! Yep I bought into K Murray Patrick Mahomes Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow. Never said MT or SD would turn out to be great but I’d bet one or the other will be as good as MR will be in a few yrs when he’s 39 or 40 I still prefer Wilson or Fields at four or trade down a few spots and grab Lance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,137 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 I would be surprised if the Falcons don’t draft or add a FA QB. Just won’t be at #4. I prefer the draft though, much cheaper and some one who can be nurtured by Ryan. Run 'n' Shoot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 24,137 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 20 minutes ago, dodge_birds_fan said: They clearly we're the best 3rd string middle school QB in their district, so I trust their ability to evaluate talent.... Common man! He was first string QB in middle school, too bad he peaked in middle school. dodge_birds_fan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PokerSteve 27,853 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said: He is the 2nd most impactful prospect in the draft IMO. Would love for him to be there at 4th overall but it seems unlikely No problem. We can just move up and bring'em on home. FalconsIn2012 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 15,497 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, Atl Falcon said: Nightmare scenario will be he turns out to a HOF like Brett Farve and win SBs. Be careful what you dream for🤫 We drafted brett favre. How is that a comparison? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cole World 6,098 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 5 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said: He is the 2nd most impactful prospect in the draft IMO. Would love for him to be there at 4th overall but it seems unlikely I know they have Becton as their LT but the Jets might take Sewell and put him on the other side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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