ANYBODY ENJOY WATCHING THAT YOUNG PHENOM QB GETTING EMBARRASED BY BRADY ?

[youngbloodz 16,287]

2 hours ago, falcons007 said:

But that begs the question, why does he suck at the biggest stage of the NFL. Is he really that good to choke in the SB. It doesn't have to be one or the other. 

Well he played two very good defenses. But last night nobody can blame him. He got pressured 24 times the most in Super Bowl history. You saw how Ryan looks when his line doesn’t protect him in the first game against the Saints. Ryan had a completion % of 51% and sacked 8 times and he looked horrible. That’s what happens when your line can’t block

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11 hours ago, peoriabird said:

Also 244 interceptions. 

2 Super Bowls negate those INTs !   Disagree ? 

[falcons007 24,156]

3 minutes ago, youngbloodz said:

Well he played two very good defenses. But last night nobody can blame him. He got pressured 24 times the most in Super Bowl history. You saw how Ryan looks when his line doesn’t protect him in the first game against the Saints. Ryan had a 51% and sacked 8 times and he looked horrible. That’s what happens when your line can’t block

I know, just pointing out hypocrisy when it comes to making excuses for other QB and using different standard for Ryan. Ryan had endured and performed at high level with really bad OL through out his career. 
Patriots had #1 scoring defense in 2016. 

[isproab 2,011]

3 minutes ago, Williamb said:

Are you purposely leaving gronk and brown coming along for the ride. Who did he go to when he needed to make a play? His consistent hof te.

No.   Speaking more of the defensive effort.  There seems to be an opinion that if you run the ball, play defensive that always wins and you can have an old, skinny, slow, weak-armed QB.  Whatever you feel about Brady's characteristics, throw them out the window because he is the greatest to ever play the position.

The post you quoted was to show that Matt had better receiving options and a better running game than Tampa.  Matt isn't throwing TD's like Brady.  That is where we see a big difference in the two teams.  Sure, TB plays much better defense too, but Tom is at minimum 50% of the reason why Tampa won.  Sure its a team sport, but I don't think Tampa is close without Tom.  We don't have that same "quality" at QB, but some people believe we do.  I just don't see it.

[youngbloodz 16,287]

5 minutes ago, peoriabird said:

Not really much to discuss!  QB rankings should be pretty clear.  The things that are the wild cards are the scheme and talent surrounding the QB. 

Again you trying to dictate what others talk about lol. Kim Jung Un is that you🤣

[peoriabird 1,162]

Just now, Hard Case said:

2 Super Bowls negate those INTs !   Disagree ? 

Did you see the superbowl where the Giant's defensive line totally dominated the Patriots???

[youngbloodz 16,287]

1 minute ago, falcons007 said:

I know, just pointing out hypocrisy when it comes to making excuses for other QB and using different standard for Ryan. Ryan has endured and performed at high level with really bad OL through out his career. 

Yes. Ryan would have looked just as bad last night if the o line couldn’t protect him

[peoriabird 1,162]

5 minutes ago, Hard Case said:

2 Super Bowls negate those INTs !   Disagree ? 

Eli Manning's record as a starter is 116-116

[Mr.11 8,348]

1 hour ago, ZoneOne01 said:

This is the type of thinking Arthur Blank used when he brought back Dimitroff and Quinn man. They beat the Saints and the 49ers (who made the SB) and ended the year strongly during the 2019 season. In reality, the team was suspect.
 

Looking at the roster objectively up and down, this is not a team that is a good offseason away from being a complete team. Fixing this offense is going to be easy and this is assuming Ryan doesn’t suck next season. Pees has to work some serious magic because this defensive line and secondary has some serious talent issues outside of Grady and maybe Terrell. 

The team isn't as suspect as you're implying. The team lost 12 games last season. 8 of them were by 1 score, and the games they got "blown out" it just got away from them late. There's a reason why the team's point differential was at one point still positive despite being several games under .500.  The Falcons finished with a point differential of just -18 despite losing 12 games.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2021/final-2020-dvoa-ratings

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On the other side of the coin we find the Atlanta Falcons. The Falcons were outscored by just 18 points all year but finished 4-12, which means they underperformed their Pythagenport projection by 3.5 wins. That's the third biggest underperformance since the merger.

Biggest Pythagenport Underperformance, 1970-2020
Year	Team	W-L	Pct	PF	PA	Pyth Pct	Pyth Wins	Pyth Luck
1981	NE	2-14	0.125	322	370	0.416	6.6	-0.291
1971	CIN	4-10	0.286	284	265	0.541	7.6	-0.256
2020	ATL	4-12	0.250	396	414	0.472	7.5	-0.222
2001	SD	5-11	0.313	332	321	0.520	8.3	-0.208
2017	CLE	0-16	0.000	234	410	0.206	3.3	-0.206
1989	CIN	8-8	0.500	404	285	0.702	11.2	-0.202
1979	SF	2-14	0.125	308	416	0.322	5.1	-0.197
1990	SD	6-10	0.375	315	281	0.567	9.1	-0.192
1987	LARD	5-10	0.333	301	289	0.524	7.9	-0.191
2008	GB	6-10	0.375	419	380	0.562	9.0	-0.187

The Falcons ended up 17th in DVOA despite finishing just 4-12. That's not the best DVOA finish ever for a 4-12 team, as the 2012 Lions and 1996 Ravens managed to finish with positive DVOA despite a 4-12 record. Atlanta's high DVOA wasn't just because of their play-by-play performance; the Falcons also ended up with the hardest schedule in the league by average DVOA of opponent. It turns out that in a year that was supposed to be unpredictable, schedule strength was very predictable. The two teams listed in Football Outsiders Almanac 2020 with the toughest schedules, Atlanta and Carolina, ended up with the toughest schedules. The two teams listed with the easiest schedules, Indianapolis and Pittsburgh, ended up with the easiest schedules.

You can't convince me that the Falcons need a total rebuild or are so lacking in talent that they couldn't make the playoffs even next season. They had a better DVOA than almost half the league (including the 11-5 Browns) despite finishing with the 3rd worst record. They're not far away bro.

Better coaching and a couple more playmaking pieces (mostly on defense) will make a world of difference.

[Ergo Proxy 26,056]

3 hours ago, Vandy said:

I wouldn’t. We have a good nucleus to build around, and sit with a coveted high draft pick QB hungry  teams will be willing to pay heavily for.

That’s just it, teams don’t want to trade up for these QBs, but we should take one just in case.

🤡

[Herr Doktor 8,198]

Mahomes didn't get played or embarrassed by Brady.  Mahomes was successfully schemed against, his offense technically negated, and basically overwhelmed by a top notch defense that TB played flawlessly.  Brady was Brady, but that defense was off the chain.  

Mahomes never gave up. Credit to the young man for being a warrior.  But a QB alone cannot win a game.  It's a team effort.  And the Bucs were amazing.  

[Ergo Proxy 26,056]

2 hours ago, Vandy said:

No they don’t. 

People keep being stuck in this trap thinking you need elite players everywhere.

What we need is good coaching. Pees is better than DQ “placeholder for PC but some kind’ve DL guru lol” at defense. Period.

Then, when it comes to the whole unit and consistent production? DQ had 2 great years with LoB under Pete. He never Brought the defense here; despite several high draft picks and even whiffing on some FAs recently like DFJ.

We passed on TJ Watt for Takk. Traded up no less.

All it takes is a few better player choices instead of overpaying for bad ones; off the field TF does his thing and coaching upgrades utilizing the roster will create differences on the field. It’s not complicated. We are more like a .500 team that was woefully under coached.

If the offseason looks terrible by the time the draft is over, maybe complain then. People just don’t want to believe in anything but a QB for the future. High risk. But we can build a team later, no worries...at least the QB will be Golden.

What’s funny is when folks cite the Saints choosing to build around Brees again. Give me multiple division titles straight and opportunities at playoff runs. I mean, is there any doubt they would have beat the Patriots in Atlanta if the no PI miss call doesn’t happen?

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Mahomes is a pocket passer, tom brady just had the better team, and gameplan.

[hjerry 26,544]

To be fair to Mahomes, his mobility was sapped by turf toe and they were playing backups at both OT spots

If you're looking for a game to prove the inferiority of mobile QBs, this ain't it 

It was however a great game to highlight the importance of a good OL and OL depth and how well a QB can do with a good running game and a great defense 

[Ergo Proxy 26,056]

2 hours ago, peoriabird said:

I don't think there is any question that Mahomes is a great quarterback.  I hope you are mot making the argument that he isn't because he is.  The message should be even great quarterbacks can't carry an entire team.

It has always been this way. Over crediting “QBWINZ” in the NFL is a poor understanding of the game. This isn’t NBA, MLB, or soccer. Etc. it’s very constrained and controlled.

[nomak 4,719]

https://bloggingdirty.com/2021/02/07/atlanta-falcons-encouraged/

[Herr Doktor 8,198]

44 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

That’s just it, teams don’t want to trade up for these QBs, but we should take one just in case.

🤡

The draft capital for an unknown scares a lot I would say.

[Ergo Proxy 26,056]

5 minutes ago, Herr Doktor said:

The draft capital for an unknown scares a lot I would say.

Exactly. And word is, Carolina may be hot after a trade up partner; if they value the new class obviously. Offered their 1st in a deal for Stafford.

[Ergo Proxy 26,056]

 

[MilleniumFalcon 3,084]

5 hours ago, Someday soon said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/quarterback/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/wide-receiver/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/left-tackle/

Build a team!  Build a team!! Build a team!!!  With what's leftover?

Close to 60% of the cap on 3 players, TROFFED.

[Red-E 6]

13 hours ago, Hard Case said:

You still want to draft a, "Running QB ?   Young , running QBs are not the magic answer for the Falcons.  At least not now.  Flame away.

He's been in the Nfl  4 years and back to back super bowl appearances winning one.

Matt's been in the NFL 13 years and only has one super bowl appearance that we know didn't end well. 

To compare Brady with either one of those is just not a good argument. 

 

[Herr Doktor 8,198]

2 hours ago, youngbloodz said:

Well he played two very good defenses. But last night nobody can blame him. He got pressured 24 times the most in Super Bowl history. You saw how Ryan looks when his line doesn’t protect him in the first game against the Saints. Ryan had a 51% and sacked 8 times and he looked horrible. That’s what happens when your line can’t block

Simple as that.  Doesn't matter that your QB can run, so can LBers and the secondary.

[Vandy 39,737]

1 hour ago, Ergo Proxy said:

People keep being stuck in this trap thinking you need elite players everywhere.

What we need is good coaching. Pees is better than DQ “placeholder for PC but some kind’ve DL guru lol” at defense. Period.

Then, when it comes to the whole unit and consistent production? DQ had 2 great years with LoB under Pete. He never Brought the defense here; despite several high draft picks and even whiffing on some FAs recently like DFJ.

We passed on TJ Watt for Takk. Traded up no less.

All it takes is a few better player choices instead of overpaying for bad ones; off the field TF does his thing and coaching upgrades utilizing the roster will create differences on the field. It’s not complicated. We are more like a .500 team that was woefully under coached.

If the offseason looks terrible by the time the draft is over, maybe complain then. People just don’t want to believe in anything but a QB for the future. High risk. But we can build a team later, no worries...at least the QB will be Golden.

What’s funny is when folks cite the Saints choosing to build around Brees again. Give me multiple division titles straight and opportunities at playoff runs. I mean, is there any doubt they would have beat the Patriots in Atlanta if the no PI miss call doesn’t happen?

Great post, killer. 
 

Simpleton thinking be ****ed, there’s plenty of ways to greatly improve this team with a little outside-the-box thinking. I’m more excited about seeing what this new regime does this offseason than any in recent memory. 

[youngbloodz 16,287]

16 minutes ago, Herr Doktor said:

Simple as that.  Doesn't matter that your QB can run, so can LBers and the secondary.

True story

[Day1 106]

6 hours ago, nomak said:

True. Matt is Matt and Matt has all the skills needed as a QB to win a super bowl.  He does own one of the best if not best QB performances in a SB.  What Matt has never had that Brady has is...consistency at HC, consistency on defense, consistency at OC, consistency at oline protection...so yes there is a lot of differences in Matt's circumstance than Tom's.  Heck, Tom picked the team he wanted to go to and he saw where the talent level was headed at TB...and a smart move on his part. All TB needed was a QB and they got the best. 

they also got gronk and ab