AUTiger7222 7,630 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Vandy said: Truth. David Carr never recovered after 2 years of shell shock in Houston. Tim Couch/Heath Shuler/Andre Ware were a few other ‘Cant miss’ QBs who never recovered from the accelerated speed of nfl pass rush > college. Weren't they all part of this (in)famous new age ‘dual threat’ QBs too? David Carr and Tim Couch were two guys that had they landed in better situations they could have been good NFL QBs. That's the one thing that many folks here don't seem to understand. Potentially good QBs are ruined all the time by landing in bad situations and getting their brains beat in and then they never recover from the shock. In Couch's case he suffered a shoulder injury that basically ended his career. The guys that end up making it usually end up in good situations. Herr Doktor, Francis York Morgan and Vandy 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Refried Beans 1,485 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I always thought Joe Theismann would have been good in Good Fellows. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vandy 39,737 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 16 minutes ago, AUTiger7222 said: David Carr and Tim Couch were two guys that had they landed in better situations they could have been good NFL QBs. That's the one thing that many folks here don't seem to understand. Potentially good QBs are ruined all the time by landing in bad situations and getting their brains beat in and then they never recover from the shock. In Couch's case he suffered a shoulder injury that basically ended his career. The guys that end up making it usually end up in good situations. Exactly, see also last year’s #1 Joe Burrow of bengals getting his knee blown up. AUTiger7222 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MSalmon 11,151 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 8 minutes ago, Vandy said: Exactly, see also last year’s #1 Joe Burrow of bengals getting his knee blown up. So the logical move for a team with a great vet who’s still playing well is to bolster the OL, build the defense, accumulate talent and picks and then when time is right go up and get a QB. ‘Matt Ryan came into a favorable situation. AUTiger7222, Hard Case and Vandy 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*TMo* 1,106 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I wouldn't take Zach Wilson over Trevor Wilson but the two games I watched Zach Wilson were awesome. He was amazing, very live arm, very athletic. I wouldn't take Justin Fields until the mid rounds somewhere, you really need to read defenses in the NFL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUTiger7222 7,630 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 44 minutes ago, Vandy said: Exactly, see also last year’s #1 Joe Burrow of bengals getting his knee blown up. Exactly. And who's to say he's ever gonna fully recover from that? We don't know. He could, or he could not. That one could easily go either way. This place thinks "ohhhhhhh......shiny new QB fixes everything." Vandy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUTiger7222 7,630 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 11 minutes ago, *TMo* said: I wouldn't take Zach Wilson over Trevor Wilson but the two games I watched Zach Wilson were awesome. He was amazing, very live arm, very athletic. I wouldn't take Justin Fields until the mid rounds somewhere, you really need to read defenses in the NFL. Here's a game you should watch. iDash 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*TMo* 1,106 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Just now, AUTiger7222 said: Here's a game you should watch. Thanx for the video. AUTiger7222 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hard Case 267 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 8 hours ago, AUTiger7222 said: Absolutely true!! I look at these guys and most of them rarely face pressure in college and in the NFL its a different animal. It's why evaluating college QBs is such a crap shoot. The vast majority rarely deal with pressure of bad situations in general. It's why guys like Matt Ryan and Tom Brady that don't play with the best talent in college usually have better NFL careers. They had to learn how to play in situations that weren't perfect so they're more prepared for it when they get to the NFL. When has Trevor Lawrence ever had to face a bad situation at Clemson? The answer is that he hasn't. He's got elite talent surrounding him and things just go perfectly so he's not forced to adapt. He's not gonna have that in Jacksonville. We'll see how he handles it. Well said ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hard Case 267 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, Refried Beans said: I always thought Joe Theismann would have been good in Good Fellows. Goodfellas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wjcorner 3,829 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I think it’s easy for anybody to say they’d take x over y. But when the whole world is clamoring that y>x, you have to be 1000% sure x>y or your job resume takes a hit, even if x is successful. I don’t think anybody can stand up and say Wilson is by far and away the better prospect Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herr Doktor 8,193 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 16 hours ago, AUTiger7222 said: David Carr and Tim Couch were two guys that had they landed in better situations they could have been good NFL QBs. That's the one thing that many folks here don't seem to understand. Potentially good QBs are ruined all the time by landing in bad situations and getting their brains beat in and then they never recover from the shock. In Couch's case he suffered a shoulder injury that basically ended his career. The guys that end up making it usually end up in good situations. Well said. The culture and makeup of a team can really determine if a QB will thrive or fail. I honestly thought David Carr was a great QB that was placed in the wrong situation. Couch would have been far better elsewhere. Having your confidence shattered is almost as hard to come back from as having your body mangled. AUTiger7222 and HASHBROWN3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intellectually Honest 1,007 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/5/2021 at 10:13 AM, irrevelantfalconsfan said: I think I personally like the QBs in this order- 1. Trevor 2. Justin 3. Zach 4. Trey 5. Mac I would have Trey at 2. He is the youngest QB of the group meaning he can actually get a year or so experience and be as young as these others QB are coming into the draft. Age is an underrated feature in the draft. People love Matt Ryan here so much but imagine this: Getting Ryan at around age 20 and giving him 3 years of NFL experience vs drafting Ryan at age 23. Anyway Trevor and Justin are just 21 being true juniors, so they are really young. But I love Justn's physical traits that cannot be taught, even more so than the rest of them. if Trey is a hard worker with good intelligence, than he is extremely valuable. That more than makes up for experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,703 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/22/2021 at 6:58 PM, AUTiger7222 said: Here's a game you should watch. He was good for hat game. If the first play of the game wasn’t a bogus penalty that negated a 95 yard TD, they win and he has 350 yards passing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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