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9 minutes ago, fuego said:

I still cannot comprehend how we didn't win the SB. We were an offensive machine. 

Coaching giveth, coaching taketh.

No seriously. It's pretty much the perfect storm of a few player mistakes (in part due to staying aggressive on offense instead of running down the time), ref favored calls helping NE some, and absolutely mental checking out by our HC on the need to reel in his OC...that was the primary issue.

Once we hit the 22 on this beautiful throw and catch:

^Play for the FG. It's that simple.

Mike Smith should've bio-hacked Dan Quinn from the 4th Dimension ...or just stormed the booth and smacked Kyle around until he ran the ball.

At minimum...you play from UNDER CENTER; even IF you wanted to throw, instead of lining up in shotgun on 2nd and 11 from the 23.

^They asked for the injured OL (RT just got hurt, Mack on 1.5 legs) to protect vs the relatively fresh Patriots defense (due to the way their offense stayed on the field all game)...no wonder a sack was the price we paid.

^Still, if they merely don't get a holding call on 3rd down? The pass is complete OR you settle for a 52 yard attempt on the leg of Matt Bryant.

^Give me $$ Matt Bryant $$ any day of the week > our defense during the DQ era or of any time the past 8 years.

You play for the 2 score lead. Our coaches didn't. Ryan gets blamed for not calling the plays. Our defense gets a free pass.

^Our inept fanbase that doesn't defend the guy and wants to run him out of town over stupidity. It'd be like Packers fans asking for Rodgers to go because he didn't run once...when LaFleur made the more egregious strategical blunder which robbed all hope. Not the same, but similar. At least Rodgers had a clear lane. Ryan was in the pocket...gets blamed for not attempting a FG essentially; when it was the hold that moved them out of Bryan't range.

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2 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Coaching giveth, coaching taketh.

No seriously. It's pretty much the perfect storm of a few player mistakes, ref favored calls and absolutely mental checking out by our HC on the need to reel in his OC.

Once we hit the 22 on this beautiful throw and catch:

Play for the FG.

Mike Smith should've bio-hacked Dan Quinn from the 4th Dimension ...or just stormed the booth and smacked Kyle around until he ran the ball.

At minimum...you play from UNDER CENTER instead of lining up in shotgun on 2nd and 11 from the 23. They asked for the injured OL to protect vs the relatively fresh Patriots defense (due to the way their offense stayed on the field all game)...no wonder a sack was the price we paid.

^Still, if they merely don't get a holding call on 3rd down? The pass is complete OR you settle for a 52 yard attempt on the leg of Matt Bryant.

^Give me $$ Matt Bryant $$ any day of the week > our defense during the DQ era or of any time the past 8 years.

You play for the 2 score lead. Our coaches didn't. Ryan gets blamed for not calling the plays.

^Our inept fanbase that doesn't defend the guy and wants to run him out of town over stupidity. It'd be like Packers fans asking for Rodgers to go because he didn't run once...when LaFleur made the more egregious strategical blunder which robbed all hope. Not the same, but similar. At least Rodgers had a clear lane. Ryan was in the pocket...gets blamed for not attempting a FG essentially; when it was the hold that moved them out of Bryan't range.

It's been so long I didn't remember that catch by Julio was almost at the 20. Just under 5 minutes left in the 4th. That's how close we were to winning. Just a FG. smh. :bang:

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5 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Coaching giveth, coaching taketh.

No seriously. It's pretty much the perfect storm of a few player mistakes (in part due to staying aggressive on offense instead of running down the time), ref favored calls helping NE some, and absolutely mental checking out by our HC on the need to reel in his OC...that was the primary issue.

Once we hit the 22 on this beautiful throw and catch:

^Play for the FG. It's that simple.

Mike Smith should've bio-hacked Dan Quinn from the 4th Dimension ...or just stormed the booth and smacked Kyle around until he ran the ball.

At minimum...you play from UNDER CENTER; even IF you wanted to throw, instead of lining up in shotgun on 2nd and 11 from the 23.

^They asked for the injured OL (RT just got hurt, Mack on 1.5 legs) to protect vs the relatively fresh Patriots defense (due to the way their offense stayed on the field all game)...no wonder a sack was the price we paid.

^Still, if they merely don't get a holding call on 3rd down? The pass is complete OR you settle for a 52 yard attempt on the leg of Matt Bryant.

^Give me $$ Matt Bryant $$ any day of the week > our defense during the DQ era or of any time the past 8 years.

You play for the 2 score lead. Our coaches didn't. Ryan gets blamed for not calling the plays. Our defense gets a free pass.

^Our inept fanbase that doesn't defend the guy and wants to run him out of town over stupidity. It'd be like Packers fans asking for Rodgers to go because he didn't run once...when LaFleur made the more egregious strategical blunder which robbed all hope. Not the same, but similar. At least Rodgers had a clear lane. Ryan was in the pocket...gets blamed for not attempting a FG essentially; when it was the hold that moved them out of Bryan't range.

Packers fan base is divided now. Half of them pissed at the 2020 draft for selecting two first round picks who rode the bench. 

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3 hours ago, Mr.11 said:

Ryan actually scored more TDs in the 2018 regular season (39) than he did in 2016 (38), with the same number of INTs (7) and a YPA of 8.0, while averaging 5 more pass attempts per game (39 in 2018 to 34 in 2016) and a lackluster run game.

If 2018 is a more realistic goal, you may as well say Ryan's floor is elite, but y'all not ready for that.

You need to go back and watch those 2016 games again.

He was playing on another level. He was moving around the pocket and making plays with his legs when he needed to. 

Yes he had a couple of bad games in 2016 (Chiefs, Chargers, Eagles) but overall he was amazing. 

Ryan was good in 2018 but he didn’t break any records.
 

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Just now, falcons007 said:

Packers fan base is divided now. Half of them pissed at the 2020 draft for selecting two first round picks who rode the bench. 

Many areas of frustration. Their defense looking like Falcons out there with free TDs on obvious "dont get beat deep" plays.

Just Tom Brady effect...meanwhile our defense does that regularly vs nobodies...and then our fans expect Ryan to do that...vs defenses that are usually WAY better than our own...and/or with worse coaching as part of the "carry us!" demands.

lol

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1 minute ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Many areas of frustration. Their defense looking like Falcons out there with free TDs on obvious "dont get beat deep" plays.

Just Tom Brady effect...meanwhile our defense does that regularly vs nobodies...and then our fans expect Ryan to do that...vs defenses that are usually WAY better than our own...and/or with worse coaching as part of the "carry us!" demands.

lol

Brady just rode his defense in second half after throwing 3 picks. Rodgers will be MVP but his defense folded Blake TB Defense. 

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9 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

You need to go back and watch those 2016 games again.

He was playing on another level. He was moving around the pocket and making plays with his legs when he needed to. 

Yes he had a couple of bad games in 2016 (Chiefs, Chargers, Eagles) but overall he was amazing. 

Ryan was good in 2018 but he didn’t break any records.
 

Volume stats are a function of the entire team. His grade by PFF was 2nd in the NFL for 2017 despite the volume stats drop. Ryan was slick both those years under Sark. Remember the number of drops that turned into INTs? Butt INT. Enough said. :lol:

We just had an in over his head 1st time NFL playcaller trying to mimic the genius. He couldn't set up his shot plays and we played a close to the vest style; stalling the RZ down the stretch when Levitre went down.

"he didn't break records" Is that like the standard?

2018 our run game was invisible and we played behind often before the defense got on track half-way through the season. That was the first year our OL fell apart here recently; Levitre IR again/Schraeder became garbage, etc and Free was on IR. Still, the pass game produced but you can hardly be top-end in efficiency being one dimensional. The inverse was true in 2016.

2016 was a special offense for ANY team in HISTORY. Consistent production is a function of a more stable/consistently ahead of the curve top to bottom setup. Relying on freelance only goes so far. The 2 times we have rushed for at least league average in yards since 2013? Playoffs both years.

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Check this out...2017 case in point. Ryan lost by far the most EPA due to his receiver dropping the ball compared to all other QBs...so, would have led the league in EPA for a 2nd straight year.

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That is part of why your scoring in 2017 was off. You couldn't keep defenses on their heels and part of the reason is you lost some critical steam from crucial drops. Couple that with struggles calling RZ as a first time NFL playcaller in Sark?

Granted, you can't erase them all and I'm not saying it WAS that way, but the data shows it hurt our team more than any other. The EPA would've been close to 2016's season...in 2017...when everyone only tries to compare 2018 to 2016 because of the sheer volume stats without the processes in between succeeding or failing.

Why we changed to Dirk I'll never know. Kubiak was the only reason to let Sark go if Dirk was the "Plan B"....more like plan panic.

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7 hours ago, JDaveG said:

Sark was a way better coach than anyone here ever gave him credit for and should not have been fired.

Dan Quinn might still be our coach if he hadn't fired Sark.

Yes he was, and I was wrong about him. I was pretty hard on him because of the learning curve of 2017, but in 2018 he became a scapegoat for some guys trying to save their jobs. 

 

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40 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Volume stats are a function of the entire team. His grade by PFF was 2nd in the NFL for 2017 despite the volume stats drop. Ryan was slick both those years under Sark. Remember the number of drops that turned into INTs? Butt INT. Enough said. :lol:

We just had an in over his head 1st time NFL playcaller trying to mimic the genius. He couldn't set up his shot plays and we played a close to the vest style; stalling the RZ down the stretch when Levitre went down.

"he didn't break records" Is that like the standard?

2018 our run game was invisible and we played behind often before the defense got on track half-way through the season. That was the first year our OL fell apart here recently; Levitre IR again/Schraeder became garbage, etc and Free was on IR. Still, the pass game produced but you can hardly be top-end in efficiency being one dimensional. The inverse was true in 2016.

2016 was a special offense for ANY team in HISTORY. Consistent production is a function of a more stable/consistently ahead of the curve top to bottom setup. Relying on freelance only goes so far. The 2 times we have rushed for at least league average in yards since 2013? Playoffs both years.

No it's not. 

That's why he was so special in 2016.

He threw a TD to an NFL record 13 different WRs and he averaged 9.3 yard per attempt.

Yes football is a team sport and the team wasn't as good as 2016 but Ryan was on another level that year.

 

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