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1 minute ago, Ergo Proxy said:

It's a money thing, too for the Falcons...let's just be real. Maybe the idea of one more run in a WCO with emphasis on ZBS to fi the personnel gets him to buy in for 1 year with a 2nd year minimal dead cap as he retires?

Maybe. Hennessy will need to improve either way; unless we get more options at C. I didn't like McCray at all. Gono should've gotten his reps.

I want the change now. If that’s the case thanks for everything Mack. Time for you to go. Let’s bring it Hennessy. Such an important position that doesn’t get enough respect. 

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3 minutes ago, Black Francis said:

Yep. @Ergo Proxyshared that with me. 

Well, he is an UFA as is...just a difficult spot needing Hennessy to get in there but we need a contingency plan; a good one, given the issue at LG.

The good news is, McGary will be better suited in a balanced offense and Lindstrom is primed to become an All-Pro caliber RG. Matthews cap is doubling this next year. Rookies are on relatively cheap for next 2 years; then the 5th year options for both. By then, Matthews probably has to be gone. We are definitely in play for Sewell if the team envision him replacing Jake eventually...but we just as soon could extend Jake out...lower his cap hit and address Defense with our most valuable draft pick this year...whether that's at 4 or trading down.

Can't wait.

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It boils down to this for me:

1. Matt is more than capable of outperforming Ryan Tannehill in an Arthur Smith offense, and that's more than enough to get us to the superbowl wiiiiith:

2. A D# and a running game

 

We need to hit on a blue chip player that gets us an answer to one of our glaring problems. You're right, Ryan is not the problem. We have enough problems that can become a positive with a good pick at #4. A premier OL will be available(Sewell anyone?). The best defensive player in the draft will be available. So will trading down if a WR goes early and the actual QB needy teams start picking the phone up.

 

However, I can't deny drafting a QB is not a bad strategy for the future(duh, that's not a hot take). But can I remind people how many Superbowl winning QBs are not drafted in the top 5? The vast majority. 

We can get a QB later. We are not getting Lawrence. There are big, big questions about Fields and Wilson at the NFL level. I'd listen to you about Lance in a trade back, or even Mac in the 2nd. But I'll let our new GM really show some stones and knowledge and get us a QB either next year or after the top 5 this year. That is absolutely a great option.

**** no is QB at 4 the only option.

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9 hours ago, KRUNKuno said:

If we needed a quarterback I’d agree.

Also, theory is flawed.  If Matt Ryan is on such a decline as many of those who want to draft a QB believe he is, then we’ll be picking early in the draft next year as well.

Kedon Slovis

Sam Howell 

Dylan Gabriel

Spencer Rattler

Desmond Ridder

there are some very good prospects next year as well.

 

 

 

I don’t think Ryan is in a steep decline and there are some good prospects next year. However it’s also possible that with a weak last place schedule the Falcons could over perform your expectations and take us out of the running for those prospects. 
 

im slowly coming around to the idea that drafting a qb this year when you don’t have to immediately press him into service and allow him to learn under smith and Ryan stress free is the chess move TF has to make

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2 minutes ago, MattM12 said:

It boils down to this for me:

1. Matt is more than capable of outperforming Ryan Tannehill in an Arthur Smith offense, and that's more than enough to get us to the superbowl wiiiiith:

2. A D# and a running game

 

We need to hit on a blue chip player that gets us an answer to one of our glaring problems. You're right, Ryan is not the problem. We have enough problems that can become a positive with a good pick at #4. A premier OL will be available(Sewell anyone?). The best defensive player in the draft will be available. So will trading down if a WR goes early and the actual QB needy teams start picking the phone up.

 

However, I can't deny drafting a QB is not a bad strategy for the future(duh, that's not a hot take). But can I remind people how many Superbowl winning QBs are not drafted in the top 5? The vast majority. 

We can get a QB later. We are not getting Lawrence. There are big, big questions about Fields and Wilson at the NFL level. I'd listen to you about Lance in a trade back, or even Mac in the 2nd. But I'll let our new GM really show some stones and knowledge and get us a QB either next year or after the top 5 this year. That is absolutely a great option.

**** no is QB at 4 the only option.

There are so many teams that are more talented than the Falcons I don't see the Falcons contending for a Superbowl within two years.  Arthur Smith is a unproven head coach, he has never won a playoff game as an offensive coordinator. In fact the Titans on scored 13 points in their playoff loss. 

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2 minutes ago, insight said:

There are so many teams that are more talented than the Falcons I don't see the Falcons contending for a Superbowl within two years.  Arthur Smith is a unproven head coach, he has never won a playoff game as an offensive coordinator. In fact the Titans on scored 13 points in their playoff loss. 

For Christ’s sake do a google search before you spout nonsense. Smith beat the patriots and ravens last year in the playoffs before losing to the chiefs in the afc championship as the offensive coordinator 

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3 minutes ago, shockerfalcon said:

For Christ’s sake do a google search before you spout nonsense. Smith beat the patriots and ravens last year in the playoffs before losing to the chiefs in the afc championship as the offensive coordinator 

That was my bad !  I went off of recollection and was wrong.  Arthur won two games last season as you mentioned. 

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4 minutes ago, insight said:

That was my bad !  I went off of recollection and was wrong.  Arthur won two games last season as you mentioned. 

I do agree with you though in that the Falcons will be hard pressed to have a winning record let alone make the playoffs or winning the SB

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1 hour ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Well, he is an UFA as is...just a difficult spot needing Hennessy to get in there but we need a contingency plan; a good one, given the issue at LG.

The good news is, McGary will be better suited in a balanced offense and Lindstrom is primed to become an All-Pro caliber RG. Matthews cap is doubling this next year. Rookies are on relatively cheap for next 2 years; then the 5th year options for both. By then, Matthews probably has to be gone. We are definitely in play for Sewell if the team envision him replacing Jake eventually...but we just as soon could extend Jake out...lower his cap hit and address Defense with our most valuable draft pick this year...whether that's at 4 or trading down.

Can't wait.

I’d like nothing more than to see Matthews gone. Especially in this new offense. He’s definitely not his Uncle not his Father’s son on the football field. 

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9 hours ago, KRUNKuno said:

If we needed a quarterback I’d agree.

Also, theory is flawed.  If Matt Ryan is on such a decline as many of those who want to draft a QB believe he is, then we’ll be picking early in the draft next year as well.

Kedon Slovis

Sam Howell 

Dylan Gabriel

Spencer Rattler

Desmond Ridder

there are some very good prospects next year as well.

 

 

 

But here's the problem with what your saying... We will not have a pick even close to the one we have this year.. And, I can't recall a draft with this many good QBs in the first half of round one.. Very rare,, And I'd say It may be another 10 t0 15 years if ever ,,, with a draft filled first round worthy QBs,,  AS I've said many times.. Better get while the getting good..  WE could trade down or even stay put and  take a very good  backup QB for our team and for Matt to know if he had to miss any ,, our backup could get the job done. Your just not going to get the Quality of Backup any other way..         Bottom line is,, I truly don't see us have a top 15 pick again for what may be many years..  I say this because of what AB has done.. Sadly , it needed to be done, And I'm super excited to see how our new Coaches do this next season.. 

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2 hours ago, shockerfalcon said:

I don’t think Ryan is in a steep decline and there are some good prospects next year. However it’s also possible that with a weak last place schedule the Falcons could over perform your expectations and take us out of the running for those prospects. 
 

im slowly coming around to the idea that drafting a qb this year when you don’t have to immediately press him into service and allow him to learn under smith and Ryan stress free is the chess move TF has to make

That chess move didn’t work out too well for the Packers this year.

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1 hour ago, Draftnut57 said:

But here's the problem with what your saying... We will not have a pick even close to the one we have this year.. And, I can't recall a draft with this many good QBs in the first half of round one.. Very rare,, And I'd say It may be another 10 t0 15 years if ever ,,, with a draft filled first round worthy QBs,,  AS I've said many times.. Better get while the getting good..  WE could trade down or even stay put and  take a very good  backup QB for our team and for Matt to know if he had to miss any ,, our backup could get the job done. Your just not going to get the Quality of Backup any other way..         Bottom line is,, I truly don't see us have a top 15 pick again for what may be many years..  I say this because of what AB has done.. Sadly , it needed to be done, And I'm super excited to see how our new Coaches do this next season.. 

I see it as a majority of the games we lost were due to inept coaching.  Matt Ryan still has plenty of tread on his tires, and will most likely be rejuvenated with this new coaching staff and scheme.  If we’re not likely to have a pick this high again, then you’re admitting that Matt Ryan can still win games.  

Admittedly, these quarterbacks look good; each one of them thrives in their own unique way.  However, I personally don’t see any of the “top” QBs as prospects to get our panties in a wad over.  I believe the best QB in this draft is Mac Jones, but he gets no love because he’s not mobile.  Regardless, none of them will do us any good for next year or the year after unless Ryan falls off a cliff that’s only being purported by those that hate Matt Ryan because he’s not mobile and doesn’t have a cannon for an arm.

We have the opportunity to grab a premier player that will help this team immediately. No QB we draft is going to do that.  

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8 losses were 7 points or less, at least 3 were directly because of coaching as much as anything.

 

Let's put Ryan into perspective, if Ryan were coming out in this draft 2021 he would be 5th best or lower. That said I'd wager that 3 of those top 5 don't ever come close to having the year Ryan just had much less the career. Falcons were desperate for a QB they aren't now. Get that QB in the 2nd or 3rd round or later. Go with a more certain BPA Sewell, Surtain ,Parsons etc. or trade back. Grab an RB when you can, spend the rest on defense. 

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9 hours ago, shockerfalcon said:

I don’t think Ryan is in a steep decline and there are some good prospects next year. However it’s also possible that with a weak last place schedule the Falcons could over perform your expectations and take us out of the running for those prospects. 
 

im slowly coming around to the idea that drafting a qb this year when you don’t have to immediately press him into service and allow him to learn under smith and Ryan stress free is the chess move TF has to make

Agreed.  Matt Ryan is a complete Ironman of stability.   His stats have not declined at all.

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Just a daily reminder that the position we would be looking to fill with the 4th pick would be for a BACKUP QB.

Fontenot is from the Saints.. He grew up a Saints fan... he thinks like the Saints have taught him. He is a PRO personnel guy.  Brees has been aging out for a really long time.  Fontenot has proven to be a specialist at getting backup QBs from the waiver wire and dumpster heaps of he NFL.  Luke McCown, Taysom Hill, Teddy Bridgewater, Jameis Wilson.

The most they ever paid McCown was 1.5 million per season. Taysom Hill was claimed off waivers. For the 25 year old Bridgewater, they sent a 3rd and a 6th. For the 25 year old Winston, they paid less that a million off the waiver wire. This is the history of success that got him in this job.

So, Fontenot seems like a pretty smart guy to me.  I dont know what would make him go against the successful formula that put him in this position and do something totally random like picking a backup QB at 4, when the earliest the Saints have ever picked a QB since TF was born has been in the 3rd round.  You have to go back to 1971 (that's right, Eli's dad) to where he Saints have picked QB in first round.  He grew up a saints fan, this is his foundation.

Last year, with no preseason, the Titans had 5 guys vying for the backup QB job coming off a AFC Championship game.  Both AS and TF view the backup QB as a position of flux and flexibility.  Remember, in all of these pages, we are talking about a BACKUP QB.  Unless you are giving Ryan the clipboard and riding out his contract, picking a backup QB at 4 seems really dumb cause Ryan is a competitor, dude is from Philly, he aint giving this job up to just anybody.  

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When it comes to Ryan and the Falcons you're typically in one of two schools of thought. 1. That Ryan is in decline and has been part of the problem since 2016, or 2. That Matt Ryan is not part of the problem and this team has been severely held back by coaching since 2016.

I don't think it is a given one way or the other. There is no guarantee that AS or TF see it one way or the other. If anything the indication they have given is that Ryan will be the starting QB in 2021, although that doesn't mean they won't draft a QB at #4.

Yes when building a roster you have to have an eye on both the present and the future, but with the average lifespan in the NFL still at 3 years and rookies on 4 year deals, they are looking at 3 - 5 year cycles max. There is every chance that over the next 3 years AS and TF see building around Ryan as the best shot at winning the most amount of games.

Eventually they will have to find the next franchise QB, but there is nothing set in stone that says that has to be this year or indeed that it has to be via the draft. Sure we have the #4 pick this year and we're not guaranteed to be in this spot again but there is also no guarantee taking a QB in the top 5 picks will work out. Since 2010, 10 QB's have won the MVP award (I'm including Rodgers/Mahomes for 2020 here). 7 out of the 10 were selected outside the top 5 picks (Mahomes was actually the highest at #10). How about super bowl winning QB's? In the same timeframe 9 out of 11 of the QB's to win the Superbowl were selected outside the top 5 picks. Of the two QB's drafted in the top 5 picks only Eli Manning won it with the team that drafted him.

 

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2 hours ago, Falcons_Frenzy said:

I'm not sure the pick is QB but honestly I won't be mad if it is. One thing to remember is this. Look what they did with Ryan Tannehill. Do they feel like it's necessary to draft a QB at 4 given the success they had with him? Idk. It would be nice to know if they are leaning towards win now or rebuild. 

With highly mobile and exciting QB MARCUS MARIOTA on the bench....

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16 hours ago, Vandy said:

I’m sure there’s other forums that operate that way. You know this.... the rules are the rules, and you’ve got to have someone manage accordingly.  I mean, it’s not like these guys are being paid. So if I had a big problem with the way they manage the ‘system’ I’d just leave and find another one that meets my criteria. 

Why? It's easier to just whine like a little ***** and keep getting attention.🤪

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