niels petersen 330 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I don't think there is a smash hit player for us in this draft, so if he's our guy, then yeah, why not. I like Surtain. That said. I'd really prefer to trade down. We have 41 players under contract and have no cap space. We need cheap, young players, and the more the better. Francis York Morgan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faithful Falcon 8,181 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 21 minutes ago, Ovie_Lover said: That is beyond stupid. Those players are tougher than you could ever hope to be. They put their football career on hold knowing it could impact they’re draft stock because they didn’t want to risk spreading the virus anymore than it already has. Those players have more character in their pinky than you will ever obtain in your entire life. You know bro, this is what gets me too. People always act like this about these athletes. Even before COVID, people would talk down on the guys for not wanting to participate in a bowl game. If these guys get hurt, there are no promises. Fernando C. and Ovie_Lover 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joeyg2033 438 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 8 hours ago, Fernando C. said: We need to draft him, get a stud FS in FA.... and our defense all of a sudden becomes top 15.. Yeah our DL needs players but we can get Coverage Sacks.. Get him at 4 and call it a day... Not happenin'... Simply not enough of an impact at #4. If we could trade down for an extra high pick, I would do it. But it wouldn't be for Surtain. It would be for Lance. Edited January 25 by joeyg2033 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kaptain Krazy 3,965 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 This is where TATF "logic" makes me LOL. Anyone who advocates that the Falcons pick a QB at #4 gets lectured on how "top 5 QBs don't help their teams" and "teams that pick a QB that high don't win Super Bowls." Here are the CBs picked in the top 5 this century: Lions picked Okudah 2020, went 5-11, fired their HC. To be fair, their QB was a #1 pick (see my conclusion below). Browns picked Denzel Ward #4 in 2018. But they picked Baker Mayfield #1, so any success Cleveland has had since then can't be attached to Ward without also refuting the criticism of picking a QB that high. Jacksonville picked Jalen Ramsey #4 in 2016. Since then, one winning season, they finished 1-15 and "earned" the #1 pick this year, which everyone agrees will need to be Lawrence, a QB. Nope, pointing out that Ramsey was traded to the Rams mid-season in 2019 and LA played in the Super Bowl doesn't help. The team that drafted him didn't have success (see my conclusion below). Patrick Peterson was picked #5 by Arizona in 2011. He's the BEST example of a top-5 CB in terms of helping his team win games. Since 2011, Arizona has had 3 winning seasons, 0 playoff wins. In 2019, they used their #1 pick to select Kyler Murray, a QB. Dallas picked Terence Newman #5 in 2003. Obviously no SBs for the Cowboys since then. 0-3 in the playoffs. The Chargers picked Quentin Jammer #4 in 2002. He played 12 seasons. But like Ward and the Browns, the problem with recognizing Chargers' success is their QB for all but two of those years was also a top 5 pick, Philip Rivers. fwiw, they missed the playoffs the two years they had Jammer, before drafting Rivers. Conclusion: Teams that pick in the top 5 are usually not very good franchises. Blaming their lack of success on having "wasted a top 5 pick on a QB when Tom Brady was picked in the 6th round" is as silly as saying picking a CB in the top 5 is bad because teams that pick CBs that high don't succeed. My guess is the same would be true for LBs, DEs, etc. Bad teams tend to stay around bad to mediocre (notice that how many teams listed above - CLE, JAX, ARZ - end up with multiple top 5 picks). The franchises that tend to win SBs rarely, if ever, have top 5 picks. So trying to predict what kind of player a team should pick in the top 5 based on the history of top 5 picks is silly. Mr.11, red falcon, mar31985 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pacific_Falcon 4,656 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Ovie_Lover said: That is beyond stupid. Those players are tougher than you could ever hope to be. They put their football career on hold knowing it could impact they’re draft stock because they didn’t want to risk spreading the virus anymore than it already has. Those players have more character in their pinky than you will ever obtain in your entire life. The other thing is, the virus for some people leaves permanent symptoms. I don't think I need to explain how a virus that attacks the respiratory system is bad for someone hoping to be a professional athlete. Back to the main subject...Surtain at 4? That would be hard for me to swallow, but if he ends up being a really good, dependable CB, so be it...better than trading down, someone else getting him, then having to pivot and end up getting a bust. Ovie_Lover 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bunchy Carter 3,301 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 hours ago, campdirtybirdz said: These players that chose to sit out the season are suspect to me. I can't explain it but, I don't think we should draft any of them. It's like a character flaw. A weakness. I hope in wrong. Just a feeling. This is mind numbingly daft. Francis York Morgan and jidady 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thanat0s 5,165 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, rcky_mtn_falcon said: Don't discount Jaelan Phillips I would take him before Paye. I agree. Phillips is probably the most up-side defensive guy we could get outside maybe Twyman. I just wonder where he's truly rate on draft boards. I find the mock sims put him high second, but honestly, these same sims have guys like Najee Harris hanging around until round 3-4 most of the time, which I find silly. One thing is for sure. With Covid knocking a lot of these guys out of games this year, and then no combine where you can really get a feel for them, there are going to be tons of fans scratching their heads and going nuts draft night(s). I expect a LOT of surprise picks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slick0ne 2,051 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 If he's their guy, you take him. But we need a RB in the 2nd/3rd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RYNE 6,081 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I wouldn’t be opposed. Some people say Farley is better. Have seen enough of him. just sucks here we are at 4 and there is no chase young/ Myles Garrett type player red falcon, Fernando C., thanat0s and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetpac 306 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 11 hours ago, Fernando C. said: We need to draft him, get a stud FS in FA.... and our defense all of a sudden becomes top 15.. Yeah our DL needs players but we can get Coverage Sacks.. Get him at 4 and call it a day... Would be the dumbest decision this front office could make. He isn’t a #4 overall corner. Gets routinely beat and doesn’t make game changing plays at all. Long stuff and suspect to shifty WRs. If you take a corner at 4 he better be Regis/Sanders/Champ levels of good. dapanch420 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nat_Turner 0 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I am leaning that way @ the 4 pick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
irrevelantfalconsfan 244 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I kinda hope not. Our O-line is young other than Mack and some of them are entering their 3rd year and we all know how massive growth is that year. Also, we might need a QB in the next year or two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PokerSteve 27,853 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 12 hours ago, campdirtybirdz said: These players that chose to sit out the season are suspect to me. I can't explain it but, I don't think we should draft any of them. It's like a character flaw. A weakness. I hope in wrong. Just a feeling. I see what you're saying. If just about everybody else is playing, you probably should grow a pair and play too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lornoth 12,228 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 To be honest I like Horn more. Trade down, then we can get a good CB and RB early, nab a safety in the 2'nd/3'rd, and hope and pray there's a DLine gem I'm not seeing yet that Font will. Fernando C. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red falcon 4,967 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 14 hours ago, thanat0s said: I like him, but man do I hate to take a CB that high. Why is that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1969 15,498 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I'd rather have one of the two offensive linemen with top 5 talent than the corner with top 15 talent RetroRoq, OrthoPTSD, thanat0s and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thanat0s 5,165 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, red falcon said: Why is that? It’s very rare for one to be any kind of shutdown guy these days, so getting a solid one later can be done while not sacrificing too much talent. (AJ, for instance) The league rules just aren’t built to grow a Revis anymore. I’d be much happier taking him or Farley after a trade back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thanat0s 5,165 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: I'd rather have one of the two offensive linemen with top 5 talent than the corner with top 15 talent Yeah, you can never have too much talent and depth on both lines. Doctor Kildare and RetroRoq 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fernando C. 1,158 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 7 hours ago, Pacific_Falcon said: The other thing is, the virus for some people leaves permanent symptoms. I don't think I need to explain how a virus that attacks the respiratory system is bad for someone hoping to be a professional athlete. Back to the main subject...Surtain at 4? That would be hard for me to swallow, but if he ends up being a really good, dependable CB, so be it...better than trading down, someone else getting him, then having to pivot and end up getting a bust. Covid is for real and no one should question the motive for why a player choose to stay at home.. As fot Surtain at 4 he would have an instant impact in our D... if we can trade down lets do it.. but we need a partner for that.. something right now we don't have.. so I would be really confortable with Surtain at 4.. MoFalconsFan56 and Francis York Morgan 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fernando C. 1,158 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 8 hours ago, joeyg2033 said: Not happenin'... Simply not enough of an impact at #4. If we could trade down for an extra high pick, I would do it. But it wouldn't be for Surtain. It would be for Lance. Who can have an Impact at 4 ??? lance?? he will sit 2 years impact you say?? MoFalconsFan56 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fernando C. 1,158 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 7 hours ago, thanat0s said: I agree. Phillips is probably the most up-side defensive guy we could get outside maybe Twyman. I just wonder where he's truly rate on draft boards. I find the mock sims put him high second, but honestly, these same sims have guys like Najee Harris hanging around until round 3-4 most of the time, which I find silly. One thing is for sure. With Covid knocking a lot of these guys out of games this year, and then no combine where you can really get a feel for them, there are going to be tons of fans scratching their heads and going nuts draft night(s). I expect a LOT of surprise picks. Its going to be a interesting draft.. also if the CAP stays the same.. expect a lot of NEED FILLING... thanat0s 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HASHBROWN3 17,735 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Mid first maybe but not at 4 Geesh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
408Falcon 1,435 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Trade Back - Grab many folks. I'm cer-TAIN we don't go Surtain Refried Beans 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Refried Beans 1,485 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Surtain at 4 is what we call a reach. Maybe at 9 but not at 4. Top 4 will for Lawrence, Fields, Sewell, and Wilson. Drafting anyone else is stupid. trade back to 9 and get picks if you want Surtain, Parsons, Rosseau, etc....... Falcons will get calls for people looking to trade up for Wilson of Fields. Depending on who Jets and Jags take. 408Falcon and Rings 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joeyg2033 438 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 55 minutes ago, Fernando C. said: Who can have an Impact at 4 ??? lance?? he will sit 2 years impact you say?? Like when Rodgers and Mahomes sat 1+years? What's your point? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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